Give me reasons why I shouldn't get Prevnar for my DD

[Lollicup]

I have been SO on the fence about getting my DD (19 months) her first prevnar shot. One day I saw yes to it, and the next day no. I would only need one to complete the series. In march she had her last and 3rd dose of Hib and 4 days later came down with a fever for 5 days until she finally diagnosed with viral meningitis.

Is my DD at risk for not getting Prevnar? I am SO on the fence about this. I know after age 2, Prevnar is no longer recommended. But, what about previous doses lasting a while, that the CDC says does after 2 years aren't recommended. Dr. Sears says that if you don't get Prevnar, and your DC is 2, then don't bother.

My DD is not in day care, or is involved in any playgroups. She has never been sick with a cold, except for the time she was sick 2 weeks after her hospital stay for viral meningitis.

What do I need to do to keep my DD healthy and prevent her from getting serious pneumococcal?

Does anyone know how pneumococcal becomes invasive? Can you "catch" it from a sick person, or do carriers of this bacteria suddenly become sick and it and leads to invasive?

[RealLifeDad]

All you have to do is read the title of your thread.

"Give me a reason why not to...."

Sound like you have your mind set.

I say go with your gut.

-chris

[japonica]

There was lots of good info in the other five prevnar threads previously posted.

Here's three of them:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=prevnar

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=prevnar

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=prevnar

As for keeping healthy, as previously posted in one of the above links, there's a Nutrition and Immunity thread in the archives with a lot of valuable tips.

[alegna]

serotype replacement.

-Angela

[lauradbg]

I have a bunch of questions for you about the components of the vaccine.

What would you do if someone came up to you and your baby and said that they would inject the following into your kid?

Ingredients:

-aluminum phosphate;

-ammonium sulfate

-casamioacids;

-soy peptone broth

-yeast;

What kind of long term health effects might you expect from injecting soy and yeast into your baby? Would a couple of different forms of the neurotoxin aluminum concern you? Under what circumstances would it ever be OK to inject those ingredients into your child?

Now if they add in:

-Streptococcus pneumoniae stereotypes 4, 6B, 9V, 14, 18C, 19F, 23F

joined to diphtheria CRM protein isolated from cultures of Coynebacterium diphtheria strain C7 (B197);

would the mixture somehow become OK? Would the aluminum no longer be a neurotoxin? Would there no longer be any implication with injecting soy and yeast into your baby's system?

Those are the ingredients of the prevnar vaccine. Do you think those ingredients are OK to inject into your child?

Would you feel OK if they were topically applied to your child? Would you feel OK if a nurse wanted to rub aluminum on your daughter? Is injecting that ingredient into your daughter less objectionable?

When a person is injected with a vaccine, they are injected with these kinds of ingredients. Do you think they are innocuous?

Many people question the safety of these routinely used ingredients. Prevnar has these ingredients--I think that's reason enough in itself to not inject it into any baby.

Prevnar also has been implicated in creating superbug ear infections that are unaffected by antibiotics. Nice.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by japonica

There was lots of good info in the other five prevnar threads previously posted.

Here's three of them:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=prevnar

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=prevnar

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=prevnar

As for keeping healthy, as previously posted in one of the above links, there's a Nutrition and Immunity thread in the archives with a lot of valuable tips.

[Jugs]

Possible recent history of a vaccine reaction would be reason enough for me.

[ammiga]

What are *your* reasons to do it and not to do it? People in these forums have given you their reasons countless times, but those don't seem to affect you. It might be more effective to weigh your own reasons.

Every time you decide to do it, you back down and decide not to. To me, that would be following your gut.

[Lollicup]

Originally Posted by ammiga

What are *your* reasons to do it and not to do it? People in these forums have given you their reasons countless times, but those don't seem to affect you. It might be more effective to weigh your own reasons.

Every time you decide to do it, you back down and decide not to. To me, that would be following your gut.

Yes, I have read everything people have left me. So yes, I am still undecided. Sometimes these decisions cannot be made in a short time and take considerate research, thought and reason as I am still doing now.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Lollicup

Yes, I have read everything people have left me. So yes, I am still undecided. Sometimes these decisions cannot be made in a short time and take considerate research, thought and reason as I am still doing now.

Have you written it all down in a "reasons to give the vax" and "reasons not to vax" kind of a way - looking at the specifics of your family (race, living conditions, type of diet, past reaction to HIB etc) with a list of all the studies done both for the efficacy and safety of the vaccine? I know that whenever I am having an awful time trying to decide what will be the best for me or my family, it helps me write it all down in a table, with 'for' and 'against' on the same page so that I can see if in front of me and stop bouncing between ideas. I know this does not work for everyone, but it has helped me with important decicisions.

Lollicup, you can make the best decision for your child. I really beleive that you can sit down and figure out if this is a vaccine that will protect your daughter or not.

[Marnica]

I said it before and I will say it again..



the last recation your DD had to the HIB vax would be enough of a reason for me to say NO WAY tpo Prevnar.

Your child is not in a high risk group. She is almost at the age where they don't even recomend this vaccine any longer. Hang in there and focus on keeping her healthy. (eat well, no sugar, processed foods, plenty of lseep and fresh air, probiotics) That is the best protection against any exposure to any bacteria or virus.

[Lollicup]

Annaliese has 2 doctors in which she sees. One for vaccinations (homeopathic MD that carries limited vaccinations for those parents who wish to selectively vaccinate, but only 1 per month), and the other who is a pediatrician, for well baby visits. Her first doctor recommends no bacterial-type shots for 6 months. She also prescribed Briar Rose (3 x's a week, for 4 weeks), probiotics (which Annaliese has been taking daily since March), and Calcarea Carbonica (once a week for 4 weeks). She also reported her severe reaction to VAERS, and so did I. Her other doctor (pediatrician) doesn't believe the last Hib shot caused the reaction.

I am understanding that a healthy immune system is important, but I also do not know how invasive pneumococcal develops! Howe does it become invasive? Do you catch this from someone who is sick with this? I understand up to 30% carry this bacteria, but what makes it become invasive?

What also freaks me out is the massive antibiotics she received while in the hospital, and the 3 Hib shots she's been given. You would imagine that her immune system is now lopsided and could be susceptible to pneumococcal?

[Lollicup]

I haven't been able to find any sources on viral meningitis after a Hib vaccination. I heard of it happening, but haven't been able to read any reports on it.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Lollicup

Annaliese has 2 doctors in which she sees. One for vaccinations (homeopathic MD that carries limited vaccinations for those parents who wish to selectively vaccinate, but only 1 per month), and the other who is a pediatrician, for well baby visits. Her first doctor recommends no bacterial-type shots for 6 months. She also prescribed Briar Rose (3 x's a week, for 4 weeks), probiotics (which Annaliese has been taking daily since March), and Calcarea Carbonica (once a week for 4 weeks). She also reported her severe reaction to VAERS, and so did I. Her other doctor (pediatrician) doesn't believe the last Hib shot caused the reaction.

I am understanding that a healthy immune system is important, but I also do not know how invasive pneumococcal develops! Howe does it become invasive? Do you catch this from someone who is sick with this? I understand up to 30% carry this bacteria, but what makes it become invasive?

What also freaks me out is the massive antibiotics she received while in the hospital, and the 3 Hib shots she's been given. You would imagine that her immune system is now lopsided and could be susceptible to pneumococcal?

As with any bacteria Pneumococcal becomes invasive when the host presents a welcome terrain (ie is not healthy in the first place), That is why you should be focusing on building back up for DD's immune system after antibiotics and previous vaccines. Getting another vaccine that damages the immune system is not the answer. JMHO

[xmasbaby7]

Originally Posted by Lollicup

Annaliese has 2 doctors in which she sees. One for vaccinations (homeopathic MD that carries limited vaccinations for those parents who wish to selectively vaccinate, but only 1 per month), and the other who is a pediatrician, for well baby visits. Her first doctor recommends no bacterial-type shots for 6 months. She also prescribed Briar Rose (3 x's a week, for 4 weeks), probiotics (which Annaliese has been taking daily since March), and Calcarea Carbonica (once a week for 4 weeks). She also reported her severe reaction to VAERS, and so did I. Her other doctor (pediatrician) doesn't believe the last Hib shot caused the reaction.

I am understanding that a healthy immune system is important, but I also do not know how invasive pneumococcal develops! Howe does it become invasive? Do you catch this from someone who is sick with this? I understand up to 30% carry this bacteria, but what makes it become invasive?

What also freaks me out is the massive antibiotics she received while in the hospital, and the 3 Hib shots she's been given. You would imagine that her immune system is now lopsided and could be susceptible to pneumococcal?

Here is the way I think about it as a non vaxer, even though I believe certain vaxes are pretty effective.

We are born with an immune system that is a like a light chain mail coat of armor all over our bodies. Every time you vaccinate against a certain disease, you have a 50-80% of it working and putting tougher metal armor on one of your body parts, BUT it will leave a body part without any armor AT ALL. A fully vaccinated child on the AAP schedule would have metal armor on maybe 20% of its body, but be totally vulnerable to all other things for which there is no vaccine. A healthy, non vaxed child who is well nourished strengthens its chain mail over time after fighting each infection to provide some sort of protection to EVERYTHING it encounters.

Your dd's previous vaccines and and antibiotic use stripped her away of much of her armor, but you are better off rebuilding it than taking more of it away. You sound lke you are on the right path with probiotics, etc.

Apologies if my metal armor analogy made NO sense. I tried.