Vaccine reaction?

[mama to 2 girls]

I have a cousin who's wife is a nurse practitioner and is so medical it's not even funny..well....she has a 2 mos. old (well just turned 2 mos. old today) and she took him into get him vaxed on Tues. (so he wasnt even technically 2 mos. old yet) and he was admitted into the hospital yesterday with a fever of 104 degrees...

The poor little thing is just full of holes...they did all kinds of blood work...a spinal tap and said they found nothing. ...now she is not a clean person at all (I'm talking I saw her take her dd to the bathroom when she was in the hospital after she had her ds and she never washed her hands or her dd's hands and went right over and picked up her brand new son! ) I thought for sure it would be a virus or bacterial but supposedly they found nothing..

I tried to tell them that it could be the shots and of course she doesn't believe me....she said that it would have happened right away or within a day.....

So after my long explanation it could be the vax's couldn't it be?

[emma1325]

Of course it could have been. She's in obvious denial. Don't even bother trying. It will only make you feel more frustrated.

[Marnica]

I would bet all the money in my bank account (which admittedly is not that much ) that this is a recation. Poor baby. I hope he is ok

[mama to 2 girls]

I know....I haven't heard since last night....they were able to finally get his fever down to 100 ...and they said he nursed a bit..they told me he hadn't eaten (nursed, at least she is still bfing him) in 2 days!...I know she'll never believe me....but as far as I know doesn't this mean that his next set of shots he'll get at 4 mos. will cause an even worse reaction? .....She is just such a stupid woman! Sorry but she is (just venting, sorry)....she STILL gives her dd tylenol when she gets sick (which is often) even though she throws up everytime she gives it to her! She just doesn't get it. ...

I am just big time venting sorry .....I just feel so bad for this little one.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by mama to 2 girls

I know....I haven't heard since last night....they were able to finally get his fever down to 100 ...and they said he nursed a bit..they told me he hadn't eaten (nursed, at least she is still bfing him) in 2 days!...I know she'll never believe me....but as far as I know doesn't this mean that his next set of shots he'll get at 4 mos. will cause an even worse reaction? .....She is just such a stupid woman! Sorry but she is (just venting, sorry)....she STILL gives her dd tylenol when she gets sick (which is often) even though she throws up everytime she gives it to her! She just doesn't get it. ...

I am just big time venting sorry .....I just feel so bad for this little one.

I would be so worried for this baby's medical future

[mama to 2 girls]

I am very worried....he's still sick...not eating well....fever at 101.4. It makes me want to cry. I really hope he's going to be ok....and of course the dr's still can't figure out what's wrong with him because his blood work didn't show any virus or bacteria.

[k9sarchik]

It is really hard. I am contemplating cutting ties with a friend who does everything allopathic. Her child has had all vaxes, tons of Tylenol, Nexium, and now been on antibiotics 5 months in a row all before the age of 20 months. It really bugs me that her daughter is so sick all the time and its all preventable.
The sadness is overwhelming sometimes because I know her daughter is suffering needlessly.

[Cristiaz]

A fever following vaxes is the most common side effect....that's bad news. I know how hard it is to deal with close minded people. My sisters a nurse. Both my niece and nephew had fevers and convulsions after their 8 mo. shots. My nephew is now autistic, probably related to his birth too, but definitely the shots. My sister did stop vaxing her kids, as far as I know, but she won't listen to anything I say. It makes me sad.

These side effects need to be reported and its sad when parents are in denial because they won't report it...

[KimberlyD0]

It makes me so sad to hear about moms being blamed for their childs suffering when they're sick. I have a "sick child"

She was Exclusivly BF till 6 months and now is an exstended nurser, deleyed vaxed (mostly because she has been so sick) She has reflux and has since birth, she was 3 weeks old when she caught RSV and has had one URI after another since. All this started LONG before she had ANY vaccines, we don't have any at birth here. Her kidneys are failing because of her congenital malformation. She will never been a "healthy child"

We've tried everything natropathic, and allopathic and nothing works.

Maybe she just got a sick child who would have been sick no matter what. Some kids are just born like that. If my friends turned my back on me because my daughter is so sick, and blamed it all on me, I would be devistated. Absolutly devistated. Its hard enough to have a medically fragil child, but to then be blamed for it, I couldn't imagine.

There is no way to know that any of this childs issues are "preventable" Allopathic may not be perfict, but neither natropathic.

Maybe instead of judgments she just needs someone to understand or is just there to listen. I am sorry, but as a mother to a child like that, its hard enough to see your child suffer, especially when there is nothing you can do for them.

[mama to 2 girls]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

It makes me so sad to hear about moms being blamed for their childs suffering when they're sick. I have a "sick child"

She was Exclusivly BF till 6 months and now is an exstended nurser, deleyed vaxed (mostly because she has been so sick) She has reflux and has since birth, she was 3 weeks old when she caught RSV and has had one URI after another since. All this started LONG before she had ANY vaccines, we don't have any at birth here. Her kidneys are failing because of her congenital malformation. She will never been a "healthy child"

We've tried everything natropathic, and allopathic and nothing works.

Maybe she just got a sick child who would have been sick no matter what. Some kids are just born like that. If my friends turned my back on me because my daughter is so sick, and blamed it all on me, I would be devistated. Absolutly devistated. Its hard enough to have a medically fragil child, but to then be blamed for it, I couldn't imagine.

There is no way to know that any of this childs issues are "preventable" Allopathic may not be perfict, but neither natropathic.

Maybe instead of judgments she just needs someone to understand or is just there to listen. I am sorry, but as a mother to a child like that, its hard enough to see your child suffer, especially when there is nothing you can do for them.

I'm so sorry you have such a "sick" child and in your case it was NOT preventable....you mentioned congenital malformation......

I have a friend who has a daughter and she is VERY "ill"...she has Apraxia and has to get fed thru a tube that leads to her stomach and probably won't ever be able to live on her own and I would NEVER blame her for her dd's "problems". It breaks my heart to even think about it.

But this women is far from your case.....there are many examples I could give but she just plain does NOT care.....it is all about HER.....her 2 mos. old son is in the hospital sick hooked up to IV's and she is passing him around to EVERYONE who walks thru the door to visit....my aunt (this womans MIL) said she went to visit him and she picked him right up out of the bed and my aunt said you could see the IV lines being pulled and the baby started crying and she said OH he's fine...blah, blah, blah....she practically tried to force feed him her breast (eventhough they had just given him her b/m in a bottle that she had pumped...and yes she gave them permission) because her breasts hurt! because they were a little engorged. She let her dd crawl all over the hospital floor and then let her hold and touch the baby, without washing her hands first....i'm sorry but this baby was perfectly healthy and fine....this woman is just completely careless and uncaring. She almost had her dd at 28 weeks because she went into pre-term labor because she said that she was too busy to bother drinking water at work because then she would have to take the time to go pee...so she started bleeding and contracting and dilating and finally went to the hospital where they found out she was severely dehydrated! They told her she needed to go on bedrest or she would have her dd too early, but she refused and went back to work and just said OH well...if I have her early she'll be fine and I can just take her home and take care of her at home because I worked in the NICU and know how to "treat" a preemie! Finally her husband forced her to stop working and go on bedrest after she had a second bout of pre-term labor.....

So I am sorry if I offended you but you needed to know the whole story......

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by mama to 2 girls

I'm so sorry you have such a "sick" child and in your case it was NOT preventable....you mentioned congenital malformation......

I have a friend who has a daughter and she is VERY "ill"...she has Apraxia and has to get fed thru a tube that leads to her stomach and probably won't ever be able to live on her own and I would NEVER blame her for her dd's "problems". It breaks my heart to even think about it.

But this women is far from your case.....there are many examples I could give but she just plain does NOT care.....it is all about HER.....her 2 mos. old son is in the hospital sick hooked up to IV's and she is passing him around to EVERYONE who walks thru the door to visit....my aunt (this womans MIL) said she went to visit him and she picked him right up out of the bed and my aunt said you could see the IV lines being pulled and the baby started crying and she said OH he's fine...blah, blah, blah....she practically tried to force feed him her breast (eventhough they had just given him her b/m in a bottle that she had pumped...and yes she gave them permission) because her breasts hurt! because they were a little engorged. She let her dd crawl all over the hospital floor and then let her hold and touch the baby, without washing her hands first....i'm sorry but this baby was perfectly healthy and fine....this woman is just completely careless and uncaring. She almost had her dd at 28 weeks because she went into pre-term labor because she said that she was too busy to bother drinking water at work because then she would have to take the time to go pee...so she started bleeding and contracting and dilating and finally went to the hospital where they found out she was severely dehydrated! They told her she needed to go on bedrest or she would have her dd too early, but she refused and went back to work and just said OH well...if I have her early she'll be fine and I can just take her home and take care of her at home because I worked in the NICU and know how to "treat" a preemie! Finally her husband forced her to stop working and go on bedrest after she had a second bout of pre-term labor.....

So I am sorry if I offended you but you needed to know the whole story......

You did not offend me. It was the post about ending a friendship over difference in medical preference, and the full use of Allopathic medicine or vaccinations. Something every parent has the right to choose, no matter what anyone else thinks. You can't force people to use them, or to use allopathic medicines, but you also can't push others into not doing them, or using alternative medicine. In situations like those, each parent does what THEY feel is best. Disagreeing on the best medical care doesn't mean something is "preventable", nor is it grounds for ending a friendship, or placing blame for a childs suffering. No matter what type of medicines are used, said child is just as likly to "suffer"

[Cristiaz]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

It makes me so sad to hear about moms being blamed for their childs suffering when they're sick. I have a "sick child"

She was Exclusivly BF till 6 months and now is an exstended nurser, deleyed vaxed (mostly because she has been so sick) She has reflux and has since birth, she was 3 weeks old when she caught RSV and has had one URI after another since. All this started LONG before she had ANY vaccines, we don't have any at birth here. Her kidneys are failing because of her congenital malformation. She will never been a "healthy child"

We've tried everything natropathic, and allopathic and nothing works.

Maybe she just got a sick child who would have been sick no matter what. Some kids are just born like that. If my friends turned my back on me because my daughter is so sick, and blamed it all on me, I would be devistated. Absolutly devistated. Its hard enough to have a medically fragil child, but to then be blamed for it, I couldn't imagine.

There is no way to know that any of this childs issues are "preventable" Allopathic may not be perfict, but neither natropathic.

Maybe instead of judgments she just needs someone to understand or is just there to listen. I am sorry, but as a mother to a child like that, its hard enough to see your child suffer, especially when there is nothing you can do for them.

The reflux is probably something the mother is eating or drinking, thus going into her milk. My daughter would projectile vomit, it started when she was 5 weeks old. I took her to my ND and she told me to eliminate the top 5 allergens: citrus, wheat, corn, soy and dairy. But she said citrus is the most common causing projectile vommitting. So I stopped drinking orange juice (I was on a kick with drinking a lot of it at the time) and in just one day, she stopped vommitting. Thought this might help.

There are some kids who are just sickly, that is true. But allopathic medicine does make a lot of kids sicker. They tend to address the symptons and not the causes. I have had really bad experiences with allopathic doctors and after a while I gave up on them and decided to be my own doctor, and my daughters doctor, and have an ND I can email if need be.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Cristiaz

The reflux is probably something the mother is eating or drinking, thus going into her milk. My daughter would projectile vomit, it started when she was 5 weeks old. I took her to my ND and she told me to eliminate the top 5 allergens: citrus, wheat, corn, soy and dairy. But she said citrus is the most common causing projectile vommitting. So I stopped drinking orange juice (I was on a kick with drinking a lot of it at the time) and in just one day, she stopped vommitting. Thought this might help.

There are some kids who are just sickly, that is true. But allopathic medicine does make a lot of kids sicker. They tend to address the symptons and not the causes. I have had really bad experiences with allopathic doctors and after a while I gave up on them and decided to be my own doctor, and my daughters doctor, and have an ND I can email if need be.

Possible yes. However not nessisarily the case either.

I have acid reflux. Nothing works to get rid of it, trust me I have tried EVERYTHING

Both my girls had it too. Neither has ANY allergies. The first was FF, happend no matter what formula, second BF no matter what I changed in my diet, it never stopped. BOTH had to be medicated for it due to massive weight loss. Slowly over times they were weaned off it and now they have nothing.

[k9sarchik]

Kimberly~ Do you have control over the fact that your DD has a congenital malformation? No, of course not. So why would you be at fault for your child being sick. You aren't. So if your friends left you that would be terrible.

But my friend's DD is chronically sick because she has a very allergic child and she refuses to do any diet elimination because she refuses to believe that her DD's reflux and chronic ear infections could be diet related.

HUGE difference.

[k9sarchik]

Originally Posted by mama to 2 girls

I'm so sorry you have such a "sick" child and in your case it was NOT preventable....you mentioned congenital malformation......

I have a friend who has a daughter and she is VERY "ill"...she has Apraxia and has to get fed thru a tube that leads to her stomach and probably won't ever be able to live on her own and I would NEVER blame her for her dd's "problems". It breaks my heart to even think about it.

But this women is far from your case.....there are many examples I could give but she just plain does NOT care.....it is all about HER.....her 2 mos. old son is in the hospital sick hooked up to IV's and she is passing him around to EVERYONE who walks thru the door to visit....my aunt (this womans MIL) said she went to visit him and she picked him right up out of the bed and my aunt said you could see the IV lines being pulled and the baby started crying and she said OH he's fine...blah, blah, blah....she practically tried to force feed him her breast (eventhough they had just given him her b/m in a bottle that she had pumped...and yes she gave them permission) because her breasts hurt! because they were a little engorged. She let her dd crawl all over the hospital floor and then let her hold and touch the baby, without washing her hands first....i'm sorry but this baby was perfectly healthy and fine....this woman is just completely careless and uncaring. She almost had her dd at 28 weeks because she went into pre-term labor because she said that she was too busy to bother drinking water at work because then she would have to take the time to go pee...so she started bleeding and contracting and dilating and finally went to the hospital where they found out she was severely dehydrated! They told her she needed to go on bedrest or she would have her dd too early, but she refused and went back to work and just said OH well...if I have her early she'll be fine and I can just take her home and take care of her at home because I worked in the NICU and know how to "treat" a preemie! Finally her husband forced her to stop working and go on bedrest after she had a second bout of pre-term labor.....

So I am sorry if I offended you but you needed to know the whole story......

If this is the way she treats her own child I'd hate to see her "treat" other people's babies in the NICU.

[MamatoPeach]

Originally Posted by mama to 2 girls

I know....I haven't heard since last night....they were able to finally get his fever down to 100 ...and they said he nursed a bit..they told me he hadn't eaten (nursed, at least she is still bfing him) in 2 days!...I know she'll never believe me....but as far as I know doesn't this mean that his next set of shots he'll get at 4 mos. will cause an even worse reaction? .....She is just such a stupid woman! Sorry but she is (just venting, sorry)....she STILL gives her dd tylenol when she gets sick (which is often) even though she throws up everytime she gives it to her! She just doesn't get it. ...

I am just big time venting sorry .....I just feel so bad for this little one.

As a nurse, unfortunalty this is how the medical world is. Thank God someone enlightened me. We give tyl like candy in the hospital. Stick babies like they are pin cushions, searching for the 'infection'. MOST of the time its benign, which leads me to believe its a reaction to vaccinations, meds, home environment(toxins). She is doing what she thinks is best in her mind from what she has done at work. You would think it is obvious that things don't add up though....