logical reconciliation of religion and science? - Page 4

[orangebird]

Jesus that was clear as mud. I've had wine. I should come back with clarity.

But logic is logic, and we treated our symbolic logic as solid as maths assuming we agreed on the premises. Our axioms were standard math. A=A. etc. this is from a beginning level, and wiki... I mean, basic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-order_logic

[Thao]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Jesus that was clear as mud. I've had wine. I should come back with clarity.

But logic is logic, and we treated our symbolic logic as solid as maths assuming we agreed on the premises. Our axioms were standard math. A=A. etc. this is from a beginning level, and wiki... I mean, basic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-order_logic

You know, I have read about Godel and his incompleteness theorem, but I just don't get it. I have probably the most non-mathematical mind you will ever meet .

Is the gist of it that any logical argument will necessarily be incomplete because there will always be unproven axioms?

[Bluegoat]

Originally Posted by Thao

Ah, I see. But only certain segments of religion reject reason, right? I wouldn't really call it the "nub" of the difference, because is not inherent in religion. Also, a confirmed atheist who insists there is no God when that can't be proved is, to my mind, ignoring reason just as much as some religions do.

Oh, I get it, you are talking about why they disagree. I was just addressing how they differ.

Yeah, there are lots of denominations that don't reject reason. I don't really worry about the others any more, to be honest - I have better things to do with my time.

There is no doubt that there are as many irrational atheists as religious people - there are those for whom rationality just isn't that important, and then there are those who make very bad "rational" arguments, a la Richard Dawkins.

Religion is more than just a set of doctrines, like a philosophy or worldview. It also incorporates a way of living and actions, and has, very often, a community aspect. it presents a program for connecting with the Divine (or however it describes the human purpose as being.) I think that is the big difference between philosophy, science, and religion.