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TriCare does cover homebirth for Prime and Extra/Standard with a TriCare Authorized Provider

post #1 of 55
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I just got confirmation that TC does cover homebirths with a TC authorized provider. To find out if your provider is authorized by TC, you can go to the TC website and look them up or you can call your TC office and give them your provider's name.

I called the TriCare (TC) North Region office today, Tuesday, June 16, 2009, to ask about homebirth coverage. I spoke to a woman in the management department, not just a phone rep. I was told that TC will cover a homebirth as long as it is with a TC authorized provider. As far as I know, any licensed hpc who can legally practice in your state is authorized unless there is a specific exclusion for that individual. That's where you get back to the issue of whether or not it's legal in your state for licensed CNMs and/or CPMs to attend to homebirths. If CPMs are not licensed in your state, TC will not cover a homebirth with a CPM. This applies to Prime (even ADMs) as well as Extra/Standard beneficiaries. The difference is that, if you have Prime or are an ADM and don't get pre-authorization, you will have higher out of pocket expenses, $300/individual or $600/family + 50% of the doc's fees. There is an annual catastrophic cap for each fiscal year, above which the beneficiary does not have to pay any more out of pocket. That's set at $3000, I believe. If your total medical expenses for any fiscal year, whether ADM, Prime or Extra/Standard, go over $3000, you will not have to pay for any medical care for the remainder of the fiscal year.

There are basically 3 types of TC authorized providers.

1) In-network participating providers

2) Out-of-network participating providers

These two types providers will file claims for you and charge you only your deductibles, copays/cost shares and possibly up to 15% above the TC allowable charge.

3) Non-participating providers

These providers will require you to pay their entire fee up front and you will have to file claims for reimbursement with TC. You will then get a reimbursement check directly from TC. They still cannot charge more than 115% total of the TC allowable charge once they accept you, a TC beneficiary, as a client/patient.
post #2 of 55
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I talked to my neighbor who is a retired Navy Corpsman who now works at the local naval hospital as a beneficiary/patient rep. His job is to help patients get the info and care they need. He is going to have his boss call me tomorrow to see if she can answer my questions about authorized providers and CPMs. I'll post any new news I get.
post #3 of 55
I have one Tricare Standard Handbook that says:

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While certified nurse midwives can be authorized TRICARE Standard providers of care, “lay” midwives (midwives who are not registered nurses) are not authorized under TRICARE Standard.
Even though that wording is not in the newest edition, I don't think that policy has changed. It doesn't have to be explicitly spelled out in the handbook to be excluded. Instead, the current handbook says:

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TRICAREauthorized providers are those who meet TRICARE’s licensing and certification requirements and have been certified by TRICARE to provide care to TRICARE beneficiaries. These include doctors, hospitals, ancillary providers (such as laboratories and radiology centers) and pharmacies. If you see a provider who is not TRICARE authorized or can never be certified, you are responsible for the full cost of care.
Unless something has changed very, very recently, midwives who are not CNMs (even if they are licensed) fall into the category of "can never be certified".

There is a group of CPMs who have dedicated hours and hours of their time and energy working to change Tricare's policy. They have talked to Tricare, have studied their policies, and sent formal petitions. They have gotten MANA involved, who has resolved to take on the mantle also. If it were already possible for us to become authorized, I think they would have run into that truth early on and not still be wasting their time flogging a dead horse.
post #4 of 55
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The quote from the current handbook didn't show up. The handbook does state that the list of exclusions is not inclusive. In other words, there may be other things not listed that are excluded.

I've been thinking about this more and I think you probably have to have a medical license in order to be an authorized provider. That really sucks. If so, I'm ready to start filing grievances.

I thought of another thing that needs to be looked into further, whether or not state law supersedes federal regulations for TC.
post #5 of 55
Doubtful. Tricare is not an insurance company, it is a government benefit. Insurance laws do not apply.

I don't know why you can't see my quote above. I had to redo that post twice because it kept losing the second half, but I can see it now.
post #6 of 55
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Originally Posted by nashvillemidwife View Post
Doubtful. Tricare is not an insurance company, it is a government benefit. Insurance laws do not apply.

I don't know why you can't see my quote above. I had to redo that post twice because it kept losing the second half, but I can see it now.
I can see the 2nd quote now. That confirms that they require a medical license, which CPMs do not have, to be authorized providers.

I know TC is not a private insurance company like BCBS, but they are privatized. If you have Prime and use a MTF, everything is run by the military/government. However, if you use the Prime POS or Extra/Standard it kicks to a private insurance company that is contracted to run the program. For example, Humana is the insurance company that runs the TC North Region. So, while you may not be able to get the MTFs to provide CPMs on staff, there might be a way with enough pushing to get the POS plans to cover their services. Also, I think the military, government and TC are much more likely to listen to people inside the program rather than outside. If enough ADMs and their families complain about the lack of service, they might eventually start authorizing CPMs. Of course, that may take years and we could very well be dead and gone by then.

You never did give me a link to the manual that you downloaded. Do you have one?
post #7 of 55
google "Tricare standard manual"
post #8 of 55
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Easy enough. Is this where you got it? TriCare Manual If so, are you looking at the operations, policy, reimbursements or systems manual?

I found that the other day but wasn't sure about it. It seems to be a manual for providers. I was looking for a manual for beneficiaries. I guess it doesn't really matter because they should both say the same thing. I found where you quoted it saying a LM can not be an authorized provider. My neighbor just called me. He said someone should be calling me in a few minutes. I'll still ask them about homebirths and CPMs and the insurance company/state law question to see if they know the answers.
post #9 of 55
Sorry, I searched for "Tricare Standard Handbook", not manual. I found the current edition at www.tricare.mil.

The definition of "Tricare Authorized Provider" can be found on pages 7 and 40.
post #10 of 55
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Thanks. That is exactly what I was looking for. I didn't see the statement about only covering CNMs or NPs (that's what it was, right?), but since it was in the other manual it doesn't matter. No one has called me back yet today. Maybe tomorrow.

It still remains that TC will cover a homebirth as long as it is with an authorized provider. Too bad that most authorized providers do not attend homebirths.
post #11 of 55

Question about 115% rule

I am planning a homebirth with two CNMs (I'm in the state of Maryland). They were willing to become a non network provider or a non participating provider so that I could use the Point of Service option. They even went so far as to fill out the forms and talk to Tricare.

Then they found out about the 115% rule. They charge around $3500 for a birth, and Tricare will only authorize $1600 in this area. So obviously they are way over the 115%. Understandably, they can't accept $1600 (it wouldn't even cover their insurance fees, never mind make them a living).

Is there anyway to get around the 115% rule?

Thanks so much!
post #12 of 55
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Shannon ~ You can just give them the difference. Call it a tip for great service or something. That would still save some money. If they want, to cover themselves from you changing your mind later, you can all sign an agreement that states that you understand that they charge X amount above the 115% TC allowable charge and that you are willing to pay that. You don't have to submit that to TC. It would just be between you and your CNMs. There is a little blurb about that in the TC Manual or Handbook somewhere. I can't remember exactly where I read it now. Anyway, TC would never know unless someone told them and I would assume you have no intention of doing that.

I talked to the boss lady at my neighbor's work today. She said it sounded like I knew more than she did. She didn't even know there were different kinds of MWs. She did say she has a co-worker who has all of her children at home. She searched the database to see if there were any CPMs listed as providers, which there weren't. Duh. She said I could always file a claim and just see what happened. I can't do that, of course, because CPMs aren't licensed in this state.

After that, I talked to my neighbor again and he said he'd ask the charge nurse he seemed to know a lot more about home births in general to call me. She might know a CNM or two who would attend one. I doubt I'd switch if there was one, though. I really love my MW. She's a dear friend as well as my birthing assistant.
post #13 of 55
We discussed that above. You are not obligated by law to pay more than 115%, but if you want to choose a provider who will not abide by that it is your choice to pay the difference.
post #14 of 55
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I don't know if I made it clear that you can always file a claim and see what happens. Even if you hear stories from people saying that TC let CPMs through by accident before but aren't anymore, still try. The lady I spoke to didn't even seem to know there were different kind of CPMs so you could still get your claim approved. A friend of mine got her birthing center birth with CPMs in Florida reimbursed and my MW said she knows of at least one person in Texas who got her CPM care reimbursed so it does happen.

Maybe if more people submit claims and file appeals and grievances and call and let the TC people know this is something we want, they'll look into again. (My MW seems to think the "TC authorized provider" thing is contingent on liability insurance rather than whether or not you have a nursing or medical license. She said at least one civilian CNM at the naval hospital here is not licensed to practice in this state all. She got some sort of federal waiver for being a federal emloyee.)
post #15 of 55
I know two people who got the same Texas CPM covered about 4 years ago. Since then, Tricare has realized their mistake and no longer covers that midwife.
post #16 of 55
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Originally Posted by Plummeting View Post
I know two people who got the same Texas CPM covered about 4 years ago. Since then, Tricare has realized their mistake and no longer covers that midwife.
My friend in Florida got her birth with CPMs covered maybe a year ago. That's why I think it's worth it to at least file a claim and see what happens. Maybe they aren't supposed to allow it but if some reps still let them go through then let's take advantage of that.
post #17 of 55
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
My friend in Florida got her birth with CPMs covered maybe a year ago. That's why I think it's worth it to at least file a claim and see what happens. Maybe they aren't supposed to allow it but if some reps still let them go through then let's take advantage of that.
I know of a few ladies that got reimbursed for their CPM homebirth. I knew TC wouldn't cover the homebirth we were planning with DS because my midwife wasn't licensed in the state of NC. I will submit a claim this time, though.
post #18 of 55
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Originally Posted by Semper Gumby View Post
I knew TC wouldn't cover the homebirth we were planning with DS because my midwife wasn't licensed in the state of NC. I will submit a claim this time, though.
Yea, that's my issue now. I can't file a claim because my state won't license CPMs. Everyone I talk to seems shocked that I pay her entire fee myself. First, it's not that much in the big scheme of things. Secondly, it's more important for me to have the birth I want than to save a few bucks. I know I'm lucky that I can afford it but she is always willing to work with people who can't afford her entire fee.
post #19 of 55
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
My friend in Florida got her birth with CPMs covered maybe a year ago. That's why I think it's worth it to at least file a claim and see what happens. Maybe they aren't supposed to allow it but if some reps still let them go through then let's take advantage of that.
Oh, I agree with you. I was just saying that if they covered someone before and now they don't, it's because they noticed what was happening. This midwife NEVER gets covered anymore. I think when they make these kinds of mistakes, maybe they keep a list or something, so they at least know not to cover those particular midwives anymore. Maybe???
post #20 of 55
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Each TC office is regional and there are at least 3 regions. I don't think the different regions necessarily share info since they are run by different insurance companies when it comes to the POS and Extra/Standard options. What one or two TC reps do in their office in Galveston, TX, for example, is not necessarily practiced by all TC reps even in the same region, much less different states or parts of the country. If they are targeted one particular MW, maybe they had some specific/personal issue with that provider. I don't know. It would be nice to get an answer to that but I think that's the type of thing that the TC reps either don't know or are told not to divulge. :
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