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post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
If there were a specific global fee, why would docs bother with all the paperwork and extra man hours to request payment they know they aren't going to get?
I admit things are done differently in different places. Especially if you are getting care in a military facility, I can see that billing is done separately to keep better accounting of things.
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by nashvillemidwife View Post
The bottom line is that however the midwife bills Tricare, she needs to bill the client the same way. If she breaks the fees up to bill Tricare, she has to break them up to bill the client also. If her fees are standard, and you see her for your entire prenatal and postpartum care, that should add up to more than her global fee.

So far, whenever discussing midwife fees or TC allowable amounts, we have generally been talking about global fees. "The midwife charges $3500 [as her global fee], the TC allowable [for the global fee] is $1800".



So the question is, what are the allowable amounts for the itemized fees versus the global fee, and are you really going to come out ahead? I was just trying to explain that "the allowable amount for the actual homebirth" is something other than what we've been talking about. It is going to be a different amount because so far all the numbers I've seen referenced have been for the global fee, or in other words, the "lump sum".
Ok, I think I'm getting it now. So, if my MW charges $2400 for all prenatal, birth and postnatal care and gives me the option of paying it all at once, making equal payments each time I see her or making some other type of payments as long as the total is paid by the time I'm 36 weeks, she would have to send bills/claims to TC that correspond with when and how much I pay her?

As far as fees for prenatal care vs. fees for the actual birth, I know docs charge these as different events. The birth is a completely separate event and charge from the prenatal office visits, right? So, if my MW charges a global fee of $2400 for all my care but TC pays for prenatal visits separately from the birth and allows $1800 for the birth, is there a way to break things up so that she gets paid the $1800 for the birth and however much it is for each prenatal visit so that the total she (or I get back) is $2400? I guess that would work if she agreed to not get paid the bulk of her fee until after the birth? For example, I could pay her the difference between her global fee and the $1800 split up equally among the 7 prenatal visits and then pay her the remaining $1800 after the birth. Would that be ok, not fraud, since the total amount isn't more than her global fee?

Oh, and I don't go to MTFs for medical care. I go to civilian docs. That's why I have a deductible and copay. If I went to the MTFs, I wouldn't have to pay anything at all. That would be a completely different situation.

lovebug ~ CNMs don't have to be "covered" (by which I assume you mean in-network or preferred providers) by TC for you to see them. As long as they are licensed and it's legal for them to practice in your state, they are considered authorized providers. If they work at an ob/gyn clinic that TC lists as in-network, they are covered just like the docs in that practice. You have many options that will cost you different amounts depending on what type of TC you have, Prime or Standard, and/or whether or not you can get a NAS. I explained a lot of that in a previous post. If you need more help with that, PM me and I'll try my best.

One thing you need to do is ask to speak to a supervisor when calling the TC office. The random person who answers the phone doesn't really know much. You also need to look up the info yourself in the manual because a lot of times even the supervisors don't know what the rules and regs are. The last time I spoke to a TC supervisor she admitted that I knew more about the TC practices than she did. If there's anything we get stuck on, I can ask my neighbor. He's a former corpsman who now works as a patient advocate at the naval hospital here so he knows a lot that others don't (and he actually shares what he knows since that's his job) and he can find answers to things he doesn't know.

One more thing, I think TC works the same regardless of what branch of service you are in. My dh is in the Marines but I can use an army MTF in the same way that I can use a naval MTF.
post #43 of 55
This sounds so confusing. lol I just found out I'm pg and I am going to have a homebirth, but I would obviously like Tricare to pay for some of it. It sounds really complicated, though, when every time you call, you talk to someone else who doesn't know anything.
post #44 of 55
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This sounds so confusing. lol I just found out I'm pg and I am going to have a homebirth, but I would obviously like Tricare to pay for some of it. It sounds really complicated, though, when every time you call, you talk to someone else who doesn't know anything.
That's why I say to go ahead and file claims anyway. I can't hurt and you might get some money back. Even if it's only a few bucks, it's more than you'd get if you didn't try.

It's really not that complicated, though. If you find an authorized provider who attends homebirths, you are covered. An authorized provider is any licensed M.D., NP or CNM.
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
Ok, I think I'm getting it now. So, if my MW charges $2400 for all prenatal, birth and postnatal care and gives me the option of paying it all at once, making equal payments each time I see her or making some other type of payments as long as the total is paid by the time I'm 36 weeks, she would have to send bills/claims to TC that correspond with when and how much I pay her?
Exactly. The insurance billing needs to match the patient billing. If she gives you a discount for paying in advance she is also supposed to bill the insurance the discounted amount.

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As far as fees for prenatal care vs. fees for the actual birth, I know docs charge these as different events.
They can do that, but a lot of insurance companies don't allow it because it is generally more expensive, assuming they provide your care through the whole pregnancy. So to do it is certainly to their advantage when they can get away with it. That's not standard around here.

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The birth is a completely separate event and charge from the prenatal office visits, right?
Yes and no. If the practitioner is providing complete maternity care, that is a bundled service. If you start seeing a doctor and transfer to a midwife, then those doctor visits are obviously a separate event; or if the midwife provides prenatal care and then you transfer to the hospital for the birth, those are separate bills. But if one practitioner provides all of your care it is thought of as simply "maternity care". Obviously, as you have described your care, some practitioners are not doing it this way, but that is not standard around here. Like I said, the "global fee" is not a midwife thing. In fact, insurance billing codes were designed specifically with physician care in mind.

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So, if my MW charges a global fee of $2400 for all my care but TC pays for prenatal visits separately from the birth and allows $1800 for the birth, is there a way to break things up so that she gets paid the $1800 for the birth and however much it is for each prenatal visit so that the total she (or I get back) is $2400?
Your midwife should not be billing Tricare $2400 for the birth if that is her global fee; instead she would bill them $1800 for a birth fee and a per visit prenatal fee. If the total of those fees come out to more than $2400, it is her prerogative to adjust your balance down to $2400 (if she is not a contracted provider). That is what I do when a client transports. In that case I can only bill insurance for the prenatal care whereas the doctor bills for the deliver. I then revise my client bill to match the claims I sent to the insurance company, so instead of seeing "Global fee $3500" they see something like:

Prenatal care: $2400 (there is a separate procedure for bundled prenatal care in these circumstances)
Labor support (12 hours): $1200
Postpartum visit: $150
Postpartum visit: $150
Postpartum visit: $150
Total:$4050

Then after insurance has paid I adjust the balance to reflect the $3500 that they actually owed me as my fee. In-network providers are not allowed to write off balances as part of their contract with the insurance companies but I have no such obligation. (I would also be within my rights to pay the client pay the revised bill since it reflects the services I performed, but I wouldn't do that. Most mainstream practitioners would however, just as they would charge you extra if they performed a c-section even though you thought you were only going to have to pay for a vaginal birth.)
post #46 of 55
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It's really not that complicated, though. If you find an authorized provider who attends homebirths, you are covered. An authorized provider is any licensed M.D., NP or CNM.
Where did you get this information? Generally a licensed provider can be granted authorization, but there is paperwork to be filled out and approved. And as we've discussed regarding the 115% rule, they can lose their ability to be granted authorization if they don't play by Tricare's rules. If they are on Prime and want to use the POS option it is true they can see anyone and submit the claim but the payment will be drastically reduced. In ordinary circumstances however, exception will have to be granted if you want Tricare to cover it.
post #47 of 55
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I got this info from reading the manual, talking to TC reps and my own experience seeing practitioners.

I have Standard so I see whatever doctor I want to see whenever I want. I don't need to get any kind of referral or pre-approval and I don't need to make sure the provider is on any TC list. I usually ask if the provider accepts TC so I can save some money but, if there's a particular provider I want to see, I don't worry about it. I have had to file claims for reimbursement for seeing docs that were not on any TC list and who wouldn't file claims with TC for me. I have never had a problem with TC covering anything for me. Maybe providers can become authorized retroactively as part of TCs process for verifying my claims.

post #48 of 55
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Here's a quote from the TC beneficiaries website:

"TRICARE-authorized Providers

If you need to find a TRICARE-authorized provider, you may look up local provider listings in the yellow pages. Once you find a provider you like, ask if they participate in TRICARE. Your regional contractor can assist you with finding a provider and can determine if the provider you choose is TRICARE-authorized. You can also check out the American Medical Association physician database."

Find a Provider

This applies to Standard and Extra, not Prime. It does say to ask the provider if they participate in TC but I just read somewhere else that there are participating and non-participating authorized providers so I'm not sure what that's about except maybe to save some money. I've never bothered calling the TC regional contractor to verify that someone was an authorized provider and, like I said above, I've never had a problem getting payment from TC. It also says you can check the AMA webpage. I guess, presumably, if one is a member of the AMA they are also an authorized provider. The ob/gyn I was seeing is not a member of the AMA (I just checked) but TC still covered my care with him.
post #49 of 55
I may be confused on the terminology. I just know that there is a process we have to go through before Tricare will agree to cover my CNM partner.
post #50 of 55
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I may be confused on the terminology. I just know that there is a process we have to go through before Tricare will agree to cover my CNM partner.
Yeah, there's obviously a difference between the terminology used for beneficiaries and that used for providers. That's interesting about the partner thing, too. The way I understand it, any individual nurse, doctor, PA, or CNM in a practice/partnership that is authorized is also authorized. I have seen CNMs, NPs, and PAs at OB/GYN practices where the OBs were listed as participating but there was no mention of the CNMs.
post #51 of 55
Nashvillemidwife, Just wanted to thank you for unearthing the waiver info for the 115%. That's just what I was looking for.. and YAY! my CNMs are comfy applying to be out of network providers since they've read it.
We are so happy to have the option to get some $$ back for this birth. :
Thanks so much for your patience and your help in weeding through all this with us.
post #52 of 55
This has been very helpful but I'm still confused...lol...could someone tell me what EXACTLY I need to do for my situation? I am 31 weeks pregnant. I live on Fort Bragg, 5 minutes from the military hospital. I decided to go with a homebirth and have an appt with a CNM on tuesday to talk to her. She has never billed tricare before. Her fee is $3800. My husband is active duty and I am on tricare prime. Should I switch to standard? Do I stay on prime? How much do you think will be covered? Thanks ladies..I feel so silly but I've never had to really deal with insurance before so it's all so new to me.
post #53 of 55
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I think you need to switch to Standard or else you'll need a referral from the MTF to your CNM, which I doubt you'll get. Unless they've changed things, you can only get a referral to go outside the MTF for maternity care of the docs at the MTF decide they can't provide you with adequate care. If they have maternity care and L&D facilities at the MTF, they can provide you with what they consider adequate care. You can stay on Prime and go to your CNM without a referral but you will have a higher deductible and cost share.

The first thing to do is call TC and ask them if your CNM is an authorized provider, which is not the same as an in-network preferred or participating provider. After that you can determine if she needs to apply to be an authorized provider, at which time she will get all the info she needs for filing claims with TC. You can pay her up front and file the claims yourself if she doesn't want to hassle with it. It's not too difficult. The TC reps can walk you through filling out the forms. Then the issue will be how much of her fee TC will cover and if she's willing to reduce her fee accordingly. I can't remember how much TC authorizes for a homebirth but I don't think it's $3800.
post #54 of 55
My MTF does have facilities for birth. It's where I am currently going but I had a c-section there with my daughter and am having major anxiety about going there again. They say I can try for a VBAC but my midwife doesn't seem very supportive. Do you know how long it usually takes for the claim to be approved?
post #55 of 55
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I can't remember exactly how long it took for the claims I filed to be approved but I want to say about 2 months. That's another thing you can ask your TC rep. The TC manager will affect that some, I'd think. I'm in the Northern Region now (same as you?) but when I filed claims I was in Hawaii so whatever region/manager that was.

When I was going to the MTF in Hawaii and wanting to do a VBAC I actually got more help and support from an OB than the midwives. One midwife told me that since they have to have everything approved by the docs it would be best for me to just go with the docs instead and eliminate the middle-man. I did have to be very forceful about what I was going to do and not do. And, of course, the OB I saw for my prenatals who was very supportive of the VBAC was not the doc on call when I went into labor. I did have my VBAC in spite of them.
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