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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
To make a very long story as short as I can, we just bought a new house and moved in 12-24. My DS is going to be 3 next month and we thought this the perfect house because we are directly across the street from a neighborhood park. The trouble is that there is a kid in the neighborhood who seems to be a bully and never has a parent around. He's confrontational with many of the kids who play at the park and some of them pack their toys and head home at the sight of this kid coming down the street. He looks to be between 8-10 and has virtually no social skills. Tues evening I was in my driveway waiting on my sister to come by. I saw this kid with two other younger boys walking up and down the street with a bag of rocks and a sling shot. They were threatening some other kids from the neighborhood and daring them to come down our street. The oldest boy looked at me and said "We're only doing this because they hurt a puppy." Now who knows if this is true or not? Who cares? It's still not right. So I went into the house and told my husband the story and said I was thinking about calling the police to see if they'd come give the boys a scare. My husband immediately went outside, across the street and tried to get the boy to give up the slingshot. The boy refused but my husband persisted, the boy started running backwards and just as he tripped and started to fall, my husband grabbed him by the arm. I know my husband. He is not a violent man and had no intentions of hurting this kid. He walked the boy home (or so we thought) to talk to his parents. There were no parents home, only a teenager and it turns out it wasn't his house. Wed. evening his mother came to my door to tell me she's filing assault charges against my husband. He knows, of course, that grabbing the boy by the arm was a mistake, but it was a reaction to the fall. No matter, not to the mother. The kid told his mother that my husband grabbed him and threw him to the ground - which he did not do. I witnessed the whole thing. My problem is this, we're new in the neighborhood. I don't want my son to be excluded, ignored or treated badly by other kids in the neighborhood. The boy has been going by our house yelling at my husband, "You're going to jail, You're going to jail". I don't want my son exposed to this behavior either. Should I go talk to my other neighbors and explain our situation?
How do I go back to that park? I feel like my neighbors are going to think we're horrible people. What should I do? Luckily it's been raining so we haven't had to deal with a trip to the park yet. But the weekend is coming and my son LOVES that park and the kids that play there. (Even that same bully who is never even remotely nice to my DS.) How do I explain or DO I explain to my son what is going on? Do I go to the park and talk to people like everything is normal? The mother of this kid has been at the park the last 2 night with him. Something good came of it I guess because now she's paying attention to her kid. HELP!!!!
I am at a total loss and I'm so sad about the whole situation. My husband and I both would like to talk to this kid's mother, but she'll have nothing to do with talking to us. My husband knows he made a mistake and would like to rectify the situation. I knew the instant he touched that kid we were going to be in trouble. He should have just let him fall, I guess. Any suggestions would be helpful. I really don't know where else to turn or who to talk to. I'm sorry this is so long. Thanks for hanging in there!
post #2 of 15
Has the mother actually filed charges yet? Get a lawyer and find out where you stand. This is a nightmare.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 

We talked to the police dept

this morning. There has been no report filed, so that means she hasn't called. They told us that if the child wasn't harmed and she hasn't reported it by now (4 days later), if she does report it it will likely take a back seat to more urgent stuff for the department. Also they said that if she does report it she can't file assault charges without the police coming out and hearing her side of the story and then coming to hear our side. From there they would decide whether or not it could even be considered assault.
We have attorney friends who have told us we were well within our rights to try to intervene from these kids causing harm to other kids. The park is public domaine and kids shouldn't use it as a staging ground for threats of violence.
My concerns now are much more of how to just go on like nothing has happened. I've been sick about it for days and just can't figure out what to do. My husband says I need to just go over to the park and act like nothing ever happened. Yesterday though was the second day that she and her kid were over there re-enacting his version of the story.

Got to go. I'm baby sitting and I hear crying!
post #4 of 15
Sorry you're going through this. I think that probably most of the neighbors know what this kid is like, and I don't think you'll be on the bad side of the neighborhood for trying to protect some other kids.

I also find it ironic that it's taken a pretend assault for the parents to supervise their son at the park.

Good luck.
post #5 of 15
Hey there-

I wouldn't worry about the trouble maker- if you talk to the neighbors, most likely you will find they feel the same way about this kid as you do. (Most likely, even if she does file a report, nothing will come of it.)

Are you free Monday- we could come over and visit (or meet at the park)- I've been meaning to call you, but wasn't sure if you were settled yet.
post #6 of 15
"Hell is other people." Jean Paul Sarte.

I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. I really am.

I think if you just be yourself, all of the neighbors worth being neighborly with will see that you're a kind, gentle person and a good mother and a nice family. Please don't retreat into your home. This is your neighborhood. Smile, wave, be seen drawing with chalk on the driveway with your child. Take walks. Pull your child in a wagon around. Go to that park. Sit in the sand or dirt and dig. Other children will mill around you and come and play with all of you.

I'd also definitely call a lawyer. I would seriously consider establishing a precedent with this family. You may want to establish your concern with this child as being potentially neglected, a possible bully. I'm not saying to go on the offensive, but to be realistic and to be protective. Our neighbor's child is currently in jail for attempted murder. Gee, I wish the people who lived here would have spoken up about him. They knew he was trouble. The previous owner was a police officer. Well, within a few months of being here, he'd killed our dog and was working up to killing humans. Of course, the parents were never around and "thought he was doing just fine."

This boy is clearly crying out for help. While it's not your job to give it, and while you shouldn't be victimized by him and his mother, it may be in your best interests to get the fingers pointed back to where the problems lie. He's still little. There's hope that he won't have to keep being a bully and being miserable.

I don't know how far you moved, but community involvement may help too -- anything that makes you feel positively connected. Is there a neighborhood play group? Maybe you could post a sign on the mailbox and get one started?

warmly,
teastaigh
post #7 of 15
I am so sorry that you are having to deal with this. My first thought is that maybe you should have a neighborhhod meeting at your house. Maybe invite the parents you see there, especially the ones who saw the incident. Introduce yourselves and maybe have these lawyer friends there to take statements. I think like teastaigh said the neighbors worth being friendly with will see how good you are. I also think that alot of them feel the same way you do but were too afraid to stand up and do anything. Maybe you could all band together and get something done about it by involving the police yourselves. I say don't stay away, this will make you look worse and it seems that the son learned how to be a bully from the mother. Do not allow her to scare you off, you have every right to be there, and I am sure that the others who saw the incident know that, thus the reason she didn't file a complaint. Let me tell you if I truly thought someone assaulted my child I would have been at the police station within minutes, she is just grandstanding. I hope everything works out and that this kid stops terrorizing your neighborhood
post #8 of 15
Bleh - what a thing to have to deal with on top of getting settled into a new house!!!! I am sure that the other neighbors won't think badly of you. It's instinct to grab at someone if they are falling. I was at the zoo one time and there is this polar bear exhibit and it's a big glass wall so you can see both above and under water. I was standing there and there was a little boy in front of me and this huge polar bear came up to the glass and looked at us, then rose up on his hind legs and smashed down on the glass. I went on "auto mama" and grabbed that little boys arm to yank him out of the way before I could even rationalize that the bear wouldn't get to us or anything. It was just instinct. I probably scared the boy more than the bear did! :LOL I wouldn't even give this woman a moment more of your attention if that's possible! You really can't reason with people like that. So enjoy your new house and have fun at the park. You didn't do anything wrong.
post #9 of 15
You've gotten some really good advice from everyone. I feel so bad for you and your family with this terrible experience on top of moving and everything else.
I would also agree that most likely this child is well known in the neighborhood as is his family. How frustrating for you. I would think if they were seriously going to "press charges" this all would have been done by now. I would take your child there when and if you want to, continue doing what you want, playing outside, at the park, whatever. Maybe this kid will stay as far away from you guys and your child too. I bet most of the kids in the neighborhood do too. Maybe that will be a good thing, when you get to know people you'll hear the stories about him I would bet.
We relocated to our area last April, dd will be 3 next month, I had her with me in our mini-van and we were taking toys out, kind of cleaning it when a young boy popped in with us (it was a nice summer day, had the doors open). Did not know who the hell he was, just started hanging out...and within 2 minutes I knew he was trouble. He is in 1st or 2nd grade, parents never
around, "watched ?!" by his teenage sister. All he has to do is see an adult out front (even my brother came to visit and had my dd out in front) and here he comes, I mean people he does not even know. He asks to eat at my house, I mean we just moved in.....my neighbor said he pulled his pants down in front of her 6 year old's friend (the kids were in her backyard and she went in to throw in a load of laundry).
Just be careful. I guess I can see I may have my hands full keeping him away too. Luckily this summer we put up a 5 foot high chain link fence in the backyard, we have a pool, so when we go out of town I always ask the neighbor to watch. I will start locking my gate too, as I can see this kid heading our way or that he would be the one to do something.
post #10 of 15
KylaKay,
My very dear friend has a child in her neighborhood just like the boy you are describing. My friend simply includes the child in her family's activities. She said she could either ignore that fact that there was a child starving for attention, or she could include the girl.

If the little girl were starving for food, she said, "I wouldn't begrudge her eating at my house; I just can't turn my back on her because she is starving for love."

She turned a pesty, terrible, intrusive situation into a loving rescue for that child. And believe me, the child was a pain with a capitol "P" -- at first. My dear friend simply laid down the law that if the girl acted like a pain, POOF, she couldn't hang out at my friend's home for awhile.

Believe me, if you're going to live in a neighborhood where there's a kid who has the potential to be trouble, you REALLY want him to like and respect you.
post #11 of 15
"My husband says I need to just go over to the park and act like nothing ever happened. "

ITA. That's what I'd do. Let neighbours see what a great mum you are and they'll work it out.

Good luck!
post #12 of 15
Calgal,

We don't ignore him, we do talk to him. Our dd will be 3 at the end of March, he is in 2nd grade, quite an age difference. The little girl next door is in 1st grade. When I was told of his exposing himself to her and her friend, I decided forget it, he can come talk to us through the fence, but he will not get any further. He sometimes plays with the neighbor's daughter, not so much since this happened last summer, and always supervised. I don't want to take any chance with having this kid around or give him any encouragement to hang around.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks Moms

for all your kind words, suggestions and advice. The bad news is that yes, the mother is seeking prosecution. The police came by Wednesday night to take statements from my husband and I. After he files the report, it will go to the detectives who will decide what a judge might think. The black and white of the law here says that, regardless of circumstances, because my husband is an adult and the child is under 15 my husband will automatically be charged with aggravated assault. Whether or not that actually happens will be pure speculation for the next month or so. The detectives will look at all the evidence and try to decide what a judge will think. Will he go by the book or will he be swayed by the fact that this (10 year old) kid has a reputation with the police department as a trouble maker and a liar - the officer said he and this kid were on a first name basis because this kid has been in trouble "a few times" already. Also, the mother has a history of calling the police on neighbors for various minor offenses. SO, if the detectives go with the emotional side rather than the way the law is actually written, it won't go any further. If they think the judge will be a "by the book" kind of guy then it will go on to prosecution. If the prosecutors think they can win the case, they'll prosecute. If they don't think they can they won't. Still, the cop says to sit tight as this could take a couple of months. As far as the harrassment from the kid goes, he lied to the cop and said he didn't do it. Then he admitted later that he had. Hopefully this will play in our favor. He told the kid he is not allowed to harrass us or he won't be allowed to go to the park anymore. If he does anything more our way, we've been advised to file a restraining order against him.
It's all so sad. I'll update you all when we know more. Thank you again for all your support. It's so nice to have so many moms to confer with!
post #14 of 15
You poor thing. I really hope that regardless of the law they look at all the facts and that nothing happens to your dh. It is a sad state of affairs in this day and age when we cannot even help a child that is falling without getting in trouble? Good luck and my thoughts will be with you and your family!
post #15 of 15
I wish I could offer something helpful.

I can tell you that I have been through something very similar and it literally consumed me for months.

It was horrible. The sad thing is that this will probably eat at you and your husband until it's over. I am soooo sorry this has happened to you.

I will tell you that 6 1/2 years later - all is well and I can laugh about it......
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