Do you know the colors of your rainbow? Poop edition. - Page 3

[menomena]

yeah, beets + sauerkraut = pass for pee. don't know about poop/can't remember.

[changingseasons]

Coming into this discussion way late...

Wanted to add that seeds (sunflower, pumpkin) and carrots both are apparent for DD and I, but I haven't noticed anything else obvious. Does that mean we shouldn't be eating them?

I have another poo question for you guys. It's not color related, so I hope you don't mind me hijacking...

Lately, DD has been having poops that are good and solid and brown at the beginning, but then turn soft and greenish at the end. Like (way TMI) we'll have one log with a nice squishy pile on top of it. It really confuses me why that would happen. Why are things forming nicely and then all of a sudden rushed out?

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by menomena

So undigested food in poop = insufficient digestive enzymes = compromised pancreas, right?

I just want to add the probably obvious other explanation, which is really short transit time. Just recently I accidentally took way too much vitamin C, and it was odd to see leafy green stuff and carrot shreds floating in the toilet.

CS--does your DD poop every day? Could it be a transit time issue?

and re: insufficient bile, one explanation I read a while back is that if you've got a bad bacterial balance, some kinds of bad bacteria will consume the bile, leaving not enough for digestion. That seems to be an issue for DD, when I really upp'd her kimchee (we had to go to 2-3x/day, and kimchee worked better than pickles) her poop got darker, from light brown, maybe slightly orangish to regular medium brown and more formed (vs somewhat fluffy/loose, I think yeasty). Someone else linked lack of bile to tartar build-up on teeth, and it's interesting that DD has ongoing tartar issues while DS doesn't (and his poop is basically brown with only occasional deviations which seem mostly illness-related). FWIW, even at 2.5yo when he'd had all his teeth for a long time, it _still_ seemed like he had chewing issues with hard things like pumpkin seeds and raw carrots based on them being evident in his diaper--or he's got more digestion issues than I realize.

I like this site for a basic discussion of poop appearance and some first-pass trouble-shooting.
http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

CS--does your DD poop every day? Could it be a transit time issue?

I think it is a transit time thing, I just can't figure out why. She does poop every day. And more often than not lately, it's the normal/soft routine. Oh- and it is color related- I forgot that the soft part is usually a little greenish (indicating fast transit again!)

[deditus]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

and re: insufficient bile, one explanation I read a while back is that if you've got a bad bacterial balance, some kinds of bad bacteria will consume the bile, leaving not enough for digestion. Someone else linked lack of bile to tartar build-up on teeth, and it's interesting that DD has ongoing tartar issues while DS doesn't (and his poop is basically brown with only occasional deviations which seem mostly illness-related).

To add to this, in my research I found that giardia definitely feeds off bile, so it wouldn't surprise me that bacteria would, too.

[chlobo]

This is interesting. DDs poops definitely tend toward the lighter side. And I definitely think she must have some kind of really bad bacterial overgrowth.

So what is a strategy to straighten out gut bacteria in a 5 year old. We're doing supplements & probiotics but it doesn't seem like enough. Doesn't touch the problem.

[Chinese Pistache]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

So, this might be interesting for others who pee/poop red to try. DS fails the beet test (red pee) if he just eats beets. But beets + raw goat's milk kefir, and he passes. I think the kefir stimulates his stomach acid enough to break down the red color (which is awesome news, because it means kefir at every meal should seriously help his digestion...)

Anyone else try that and see what happens?

So interesting!

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

and re: insufficient bile, one explanation I read a while back is that if you've got a bad bacterial balance, some kinds of bad bacteria will consume the bile, leaving not enough for digestion. That seems to be an issue for DD, when I really upp'd her kimchee (we had to go to 2-3x/day, and kimchee worked better than pickles) her poop got darker, from light brown, maybe slightly orangish to regular medium brown and more formed (vs somewhat fluffy/loose, I think yeasty). Someone else linked lack of bile to tartar build-up on teeth, and it's interesting that DD has ongoing tartar issues while DS doesn't (and his poop is basically brown with only occasional deviations which seem mostly illness-related). FWIW, even at 2.5yo when he'd had all his teeth for a long time, it _still_ seemed like he had chewing issues with hard things like pumpkin seeds and raw carrots based on them being evident in his diaper--or he's got more digestion issues than I realize.

I like this site for a basic discussion of poop appearance and some first-pass trouble-shooting.
http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm

Thanks for that explanation. Very interesting. Dd's poop used to be all kinds of wrong, but normally, it's fine. Every once in a while, it's pale. I wonder if there's some food that does the opposite of whatever kefir is doing for mamafish.

Originally Posted by chlobo

This is interesting. DDs poops definitely tend toward the lighter side. And I definitely think she must have some kind of really bad bacterial overgrowth.

So what is a strategy to straighten out gut bacteria in a 5 year old. We're doing supplements & probiotics but it doesn't seem like enough. Doesn't touch the problem.

Maybe more good bacteria? From a variety of sources, like kefir (either water or coconut; we do water), Bubbies pickles (I can even get my girls to have a tablespoon of pickle juice), a probiotic with higher bacteria counts. What kind do you use? Maybe increase the dose?

[BeantownBaby9]

Originally Posted by chlobo

So what is a strategy to straighten out gut bacteria in a 5 year old. We're doing supplements & probiotics but it doesn't seem like enough. Doesn't touch the problem.

Grapefruit Seed Extract or Oil of Oregano, maybe?

When DS was eating, he passed the pee, but the poo was full of red chunks. Me? I failed horribly on both pee and poo, magenta pee and red poo. I am supping saurk and zinc like crazy and can feel the tingle again. I wonder if I will pass now? I poo grains if not soaked NT style, especially the red quinoa, which is funny when it floats in the toilet! :

Ps, DS has been no solids for almost a month now, and he'll be 1 soon. He's getting hives from almost everything we try, which is newer, it used to be just sleep and behavior issues. Are these ED's killing his stores and making it worse? should I just feed him knowing he may react? Turkey passed where chicken and avocado failed, and buffalo via me failed too. I haven't had steak in a month, I want steak back so bad!

[WuWei]

This is not "poop" specific, but it is about what microbials are in the gut. http://www.gaps.me/preview/?page_id=20 (Essential Probiotics 101 and gut health!!)

Beantownbaby, is baby receiving water kefir? What about sauerkraut juice? Bone broth? (fish, turkey?) Nettles infusion? Milk thistle to baby directly?


Pat

[BeantownBaby9]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Beantownbaby, is baby receiving water kefir? What about sauerkraut juice? Bone broth? (fish, turkey?) Nettles infusion? Milk thistle to baby directly?

pat, that GAPS link is great!

He was getting bone broth, then hives, so I stopped, and its been crazy (we went to FL, why I haven't been around) so I haven't tried anything else. I have Bubbies at home and can make some fish broth this weekend. He's only getting CLO and Prob right now. We saw a DAN! doc last week and we're getting OAT and Stool tests done through Genova, hopefully will get some answers from that and be able to add more than stupid turkey...any suggestions for our first veggie to try?

oh and back to the poo. Somewhere I read that it should look the color of cardboard and empty out smoothly from the body. With Cal/MG and Zinc supps, my poos are great. But I really need to watch my banana intake or I bind up like nobody's business and poo sequioa trees!

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache

Maybe more good bacteria? From a variety of sources, like kefir (either water or coconut; we do water), Bubbies pickles (I can even get my girls to have a tablespoon of pickle juice), a probiotic with higher bacteria counts. What kind do you use? Maybe increase the dose?

Right now she drink water kefir. Will occasionally eat pickles and is taking either Metagenics or Klaire probiotics. Guess I could try 2 doses instead of 1.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by BeantownBaby9

pat, that GAPS link is great!

I agree!! It is like everything we discuss all on one page!!

She has a l-o-n-g 'introducing foods to baby' discussion also. It is amazing. http://www.gaps.me/preview/?page_id=34

I'm a huge "GAPS" fan at the moment. I'm reading everything I can. Of course, JaneS has been evangelizing about it for about 4 years. I'm rather slow to listen. We had to figure it all out ourselves the hard way, reading every piece of research from scratch and deducing what she has collated in one site!


Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by BeantownBaby9

...any suggestions for our first veggie to try?

Dr. Campbell-McBride (GAPS) recommends vegetable broth as a first food, iirc.


Pat

[Lady Lilya]

Originally Posted by Panserbjørne

A very important realization! It's one of the reasons I try to encourage people to see why these are good things...it's simply your body's way of communicating. And, in the end just about everyone who listens is far healthier and happier for it. The biggest thing to remember for me is that it's essential to hold the space for healing.

I noticed recently that all the people I know who are ancient yet still active and feeling good are people who eat in strange ways, not due to medical advice, but just due to their own awareness of what makes them feel good or bad. Other people see them as eccentric or quirky. So-and-so doesn't eat any dairy. So-and-so doesn't eat while the sun is up. So-and-so won't eat X with Y, and will only eat A with B.

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I thought everyone always had red poop when they ate beets.

Mine isn't VERY red. It looks darker brown, but it leeches a dark red color a little bit into the water.

But I can't recall seeing any red at all in DS' diapers after he ate beets.

It has been a long time since i have seen anything not fully digested in his poops except for whole raisins and the skins of grapes and un-chewed chunks of almond. When he was littler, I saw a lot more things pass through him. But meat was always fully digested, from the start.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by chlobo

This is interesting. DDs poops definitely tend toward the lighter side. And I definitely think she must have some kind of really bad bacterial overgrowth.

So what is a strategy to straighten out gut bacteria in a 5 year old. We're doing supplements & probiotics but it doesn't seem like enough. Doesn't touch the problem.

For DD, the combo of gfcf (I don't think she has any other food sensitivities), plus kimchee daily plus biotin seem to be doing the trick, her poop seems pretty good mostly. I'm giving a lot of biotin, 8mg, I tried half a capsule and it really didn't seem to do it, so for a while, I'm doing this. Not 100% sure on it, but I have noticed in myself that I'd rather err on the side of doing something, and maybe needing to fix things if I goof, rather than waiting til I understand everything. I am hopeful that once I've finished getting the metals out, and we get caught up on nutrients (I'm still supping my big list, and I think zinc and mag may still be fairly borderline, meeting today's needs, but not filling up the deficiency) then the biotin will go away and she'll have happy, healthy digestion.

[Theloose]

bumping

Can we define sandy poop? As opposed to grainy or mushy or breaking apart?

[menomena]

good question.

also, what does sandy look like in the toilet? (neither of my girls wear diapers...)

[Theloose]

http://gfcfpoop.blogspot.com/

[WuWei]

Poop Is the Most Important Indicator of Your Health, an interesting, informative article.


Pat