Salicylate/Amine/Histamine Sensitive Tribe - Page 2

[FireWithin]

yeah i think biotin would help. his cradle cap is back. I'm not getting enough fermented food in him, which would help with biotin (or something like that).

how do you think you got coconut? how did you get to that point? I really want it for health reasons.

[Theloose]

Methylation is supposed to detox histamine - folate and B12. Does that help?

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

yeah i think biotin would help. his cradle cap is back. I'm not getting enough fermented food in him, which would help with biotin (or something like that).

how do you think you got coconut? how did you get to that point? I really want it for health reasons.

Danged if I know for sure, but my best theory is balancing our omega 3/6s. I am REALLY pale, and I laughed when I read about lots of omega 3s decreasing sunburn. No chance, I burn in 10 seconds. Except this summer, I can be out in the pool in mid afternoon for an hour with no sunscreen. And I haven't burned once. Not all summer. And I only put sunscreen on my nose. That's lifechanging for me (I literally hide in shadows when the sun is at it's peak), but it really drove home to me how much the BALANCE of omegas matters.

Like I said, we really haven't increased our omega 3s a lot. But clearly my inflammation levels are way different now, so I'm assuming the same is true for DS. There was a thread a while back about how some Australian researchers treated sals sensitivity with massive doses of fish oil, and in the thread we talked about how whether they only needed the huge doses because they had to balance the huge amount of omega 6s in most peoples' diets? Well, I think it's true, that part of sals is an inflammation reaction, and if you can bring down your inflammation, you can really impact sals sensitivity. I'd love to see someone else try it to see if it works .

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Methylation is supposed to detox histamine - folate and B12. Does that help?

I've just ordered (or am I still looking? can't remember) a new sublingual B12 that is corn free. We are getting B12 from Thorne multi, but I can't assume we are absorbing it. We are definitely getting adequate folate.


mamafish - we are still burning. Our main fats are bacon, palm oil, olive and avocado. I need to go confirm where they are in omegas.

I will keep you updated.

[Adamsmama]

This is all so fascinating! I wanted to mention that I sharted a new blog about my journey through the failsafe diet (mostly recipe based and idea based at this point). I was really depressed and scared over the lack of food in my diet and then I really started searching for what I could eat instead of what I couldn't. Please let me know if there are any recipes you guys could include on this if you are doing the failsafe diet or low sals/histamine diet.

[Aletheia]

can anyone post the link to the omegas study thread mamafish was talking about? my searches don't turn it up.

i'd heard about that new australian study on the salicylate yahoo group, too, but would like to know more about balancing omegas.

I'm also happy to report that we are (DRUMROLL PLEASE) at BASELINE with my almost three year old for the FIRST TIME EVER. His skin is beautiful! His poops are perfect! His mood is even! Managing the sals sucks, but we are finally coasting in happy land. Thanks so much to everyone here!

[Theloose]

Dietary Fish Oil Reduces Basal and Ultraviolet B-Generated PGE2 Levels in Skin and Increases the Threshold to Provocation of Polymorphic Light Eruption

I think we were talking about it in the prostaglandin and EFAs thread, not sure if it made it to another...

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

mamafish - we are still burning. Our main fats are bacon, palm oil, olive and avocado. I need to go confirm where they are in omegas.

Those are all OK, I think - olive oil is about 1:10 for omega 3:6, but that's way better than sun/saff/canola oils. Do you do any prepared foods, or alternative milks that have oils in them? I was astonished when I realized the number of foods that have omega 6 rich oils in them...

Where do you get your palm oil, I need a good cheap source...

Originally Posted by Aletheia

I'm also happy to report that we are (DRUMROLL PLEASE) at BASELINE with my almost three year old for the FIRST TIME EVER. His skin is beautiful! His poops are perfect! His mood is even! Managing the sals sucks, but we are finally coasting in happy land. Thanks so much to everyone here!

Aletheia, that's awesome, how nice for both of you! Hopefully once he has some time on low sals, his tolerance for them will increase.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Those are all OK, I think - olive oil is about 1:10 for omega 3:6, but that's way better than sun/saff/canola oils. Do you do any prepared foods, or alternative milks that have oils in them? I was astonished when I realized the number of foods that have omega 6 rich oils in them...

So maybe it's more about containing the inflammation than what the 3:6 ratio is. There are a bunch of things that cause inflammation, and more that keep it going. I think my inflammation is more insulin resistance than food sensitivities/chemical sensitivities/celiac/EFA ratios... And until I figure out the insulin resistance, everything else is just a bandaid.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by whoMe

So maybe it's more about containing the inflammation than what the 3:6 ratio is. There are a bunch of things that cause inflammation, and more that keep it going. I think my inflammation is more insulin resistance than food sensitivities/chemical sensitivities/celiac/EFA ratios... And until I figure out the insulin resistance, everything else is just a bandaid.

Yeah, I don't know. One possibility is that in someone (like maybe me) who doesn't have a "built in" source of inflammation, omega 3:6 imbalance can create it anyhow. I think for DS that undigested food ravaging his gut (gluten, casein, starches, sugars, sals) was creating inflammation, and maybe his metals load as well.

Not sunburning really caught my attention, but other things are better too - my menstrual cramps (from totally awful to pretty minor), DS' teething (from totally awful to tolerable)... My family history is loaded with RA and other inflammation issues, so it doesn't surprise me we're sensitive. I just don't feel like we did a huge amount to address it, beyond lowering omega 6's, a little biotin, and removing some of the worst inflammation sources.

[JaneS]

Sorry I missed this thread for a while.

Yes, that is how we taste tested zinc. And also molybendum and other minerals. We are using a molybdenum supplement and will taste test again next week.

About histamine and magnesium... rats who are deficient in Mg produce higher histamine levels.

For insulin resistance, chromium is key. I think the studies are based on 1000mcg of GTF chromium per day. Possibly iodine too although there is much less out there on it. And aerobic exercise.

For palm oil, the best price is Whole Foods' 365 brand organic. But we mostly use grassfed beef tallow or ghee.

Biotin gives me a severe headache, is this b/c it's mobilizing mercury?

[FireWithin]

We buy palm oil from the 33lbs at Tropical Traditions when it is really on sale.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Biotin gives me a severe headache, is this b/c it's mobilizing mercury?

Hmmm...never heard of this. :scartch

OT: Found this article, which btw says cholorella is ok with fillings in. But, I don't believe that is correct; so take the rest with a grain of salt. It looks authoritative, but... http://www.naturalworldhealing.com/l...rcurydetox.pdf

This list does not include biotin as a mercury mobilizer. http://www.aacstore.net/Merchant2/me...=ingrrationale

Per my searching, I can NOT find biotin as mobilizing heavy metals. http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?pfrie...trient&dbid=42


Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by JaneS

About histamine and magnesium... rats who are deficient in Mg produce higher histamine levels.

This is fascinating.

Pat

[Theloose]

But if the biotin is causing yeast to die off and the yeast is holding onto mercury (or other fun stuff), it could totally mobilize.

Mg is used in the methyl cycle to create methyl groups to detox histamine. Low folate/B12 would create a block before you even get to that step, though.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by whoMe

But if the biotin is causing yeast to die off and the yeast is holding onto mercury (or other fun stuff), it could totally mobilize.

I forgot about this. But, I'm only getting biotin from foods, not supping.

Mg is used in the methyl cycle to create methyl groups to detox histamine. Folate/B12 would create a block before you even get to that step, though.

do you mean deficiencies in folate/B12 could create a block?


Pat

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by WuWei

I forgot about this. But, I'm only getting biotin from foods, not supping.

I was supping.

I didn't pay attention to see if I was killing yeast or not with the supps...

I eat tons of eggs with no issue.

[fruitfulmomma]

Subbing... : for finding this thread. I am pretty sure we are dealing with this with my youngest. I am GF plus she reacts to latex and it's cross reactives (banana and avocado for sure) and tomatoes and strawberries and I don't know what else. Someone on a another thread I started suggested the salicylate issue and I have been trying it for the last couple of weeks. I have found a few websites that have food lists but a couple things seemed to contradict one another so I am not sure on them. Basically I am down to meat and dairy plus a few grains and veggies.

Against my better judgement I ate some popcorn last night because I wasn't sure it was even making any difference and I am so for my baby. Today's poop just made the skin on her butt melt and welt up.

[chlobo]

Would having to pee a lot count? DD frequently will pee and then after say she has to pee again. Rinse, repeat 3 or 4 times. I'm wondering if its related to a food chemical. We haven't journaled for her so I guess that would be a place to start.

[FireWithin]

I just started reading about chromium from here: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/chromium.asp

and here it states that the intestinal absorption was low. I was thinking that people who have compromised guts have even lower absorption, thus causing more problems, etc including weight gain.
What affects chromium levels in the body?
Absorption of chromium from the intestinal tract is low, ranging from less than 0.4% to 2.5% of the amount consumed [19-25], and the remainder is excreted in the feces [1,23]. Enhancing the mineral's absorption are vitamin C (found in fruits and vegetables and their juices) and the B vitamin niacin (found in meats, poultry, fish, and grain products) [26]. Absorbed chromium is stored in the liver, spleen, soft tissue, and bone [27].

The body's chromium content may be reduced under several conditions. Diets high in simple sugars (comprising more than 35% of calories) can increase chromium excretion in the urine [13]. Infection, acute exercise, pregnancy and lactation, and stressful states (such as physical trauma) increase chromium losses and can lead to deficiency, especially if chromium intakes are already low [28-29].

There is quite a bit from this article I don't agree with, even I can decide is wrong, but it is making me think that this is a big piece of my puzzle - almost as big as Mo for me.


I liked the simple description of what chromium does in your body.
http://www.1001herbs.com/chromium/ - check out its connection to cholesterol.

One thing that I am catching is that you don't want to do chromium piccolate.