Chat June 20-27 - Page 3

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mtn.mama

Yes, the OAT is a urine test known as the Organic Acid Test. Mine was done at the Great Plains Laboratory. It examines metabolic by-products and tells you how your body is doing nutritionally as well as yeast, bacterial, oxalate related, glycolusis, krebs cycle, neurotransmitters, pyrimidines, fatty acids, toxic indicators, amino acids, etc. Then it interprets the data and gives your recommendations for improvement.

JR, I didn't want to say Family Grain as my answer... because I know how much you want one. Today I grated 4 cups of carrots in about 20 seconds. Sorry. I thought of you the WHOLE time.

I'm feeding us and my Dad and Ben's mom and Dad tonight. Our menu is bbq pork ribs, german potato salad, fresh greens and the healthy-family.org carrot cake which is SO delicious.

I'm trying to plan a gluten free extravaganza as a kickoff to a traveling monthly potluck. There sure are alot of people on the bandwagon these days...

This sounds awesome. What is a "Family Grain"? Is that a grain mill? Pardon my forgetfullness.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Your supper sounds delicious. I'm guessing the German potato salad has traditional mayo in it? I'm so jonesing for potato salad. We're having Brats tonight and I *really* want potato salad.

I sorta make this potato salad that has no mayo...
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/RCP00207

But with a few changes, um, skip the vermouth (very nice with stock, or I just use extra vinegar or water, whatever I can figure at the time), whatever fat (oftentimes just palm shortening), plus I add cooked pieces of bacon (which I admit totally changes it from the original flavor), and I've never added green beans. It's pretty flexible, I've been out of things, so if you have a homemade mustard (can you do storebought mustard?) then maybe it would work for you? I've used both dijon and regular yellow mustard, I like both versions.

[mtn.mama]

JR- this might not be the kind of potato salad you're thinking of... its served hot. No mayo. It has bacon, onion, celery, garlic, salt, flour, vinegar, honey, spuds. And its a huge hit everywhere I take it.

FWIW, the 40 acres below us is for sale (for too much money. Way too much). But yeah, my DH commutes with a plane, our business is dependent on it. And gardening is great- though way way better in Oregon.


Carren- yes, a Family Grain is a grinder mill, roller mill, food processor, meat grinder, sausage stuffer, etc.

[kjbrown92]

And you're going to post it on the allergy recipe sticky right? Please?
We dreamed of getting a plane once. DH and I took pilots ground school and DH even took a couple of lessons. Then we realized we'd have to actually BUY a plane for the plan to work. Cha-ching. Not happening. It sure would be convenient though!

Okay, brainiacs. Is there a way to detox abx sort of? I'm on them for the summer again. Two UTIs ago, I had to be on two (amoxicillan and septra) and combined they made everything taste disgusting/metallic. Last UTI I went on septra and it was fine. I started augmentin on Thursday. And yesterday everything started tasted gross/bitter/metallic again. I'm taking it at night before bed, trying to get it to dissipate for the next day, but it certainly didn't work today. They want me on it for THREE MONTHS. I don't want everything to taste gross. I was on Augmentin for 3 years, once a day, and I was fine, no side effects. Why is it doing it now? Is it because I'm actually healthier now somehow? I'm wondering if it's a matter of probiotics or some detox pathway or what? There weren't a lot of options for what to put me on since I got eczema from Cipro, get a rash from Marcobid, and some of the other ones like Septra you're not supposed to be in the sun at all, so the doctor thought the Augmentin would be the best fit. Any ideas?

Also, insect bites. The kids all use the same shampoo, but DD2 keeps getting bug bites in her hair, and gets huge reactions to them, including enormous lymph nodes in the back of her neck. I've tried putting the natural bug spray on her and it didn't help. They're not biting me or DS, though DD1 got a couple bites today. But she doesn't blow up like DD2 does. I don't know why they're getting in her hair....

Read a book last night my dad's girlfriend got me, "The Parent's Guide to Food Allergies." Not bad for newbies with allergies (not intolerances though). But they have some interesting lists in there: food families, what nutrients are in which of the top 8 foods, and where to get them instead, some recipes, etc.

There was an interesting part about eczema though. It says that kids who have eczema do not regulate body temperature well. It says they often perceive how hot or cold it feels differently from other people in their family, so let your kid dictate how many layers to have on, etc. It was something I don't remember hearing before.

[mtn.mama]

Interesting about eczema/body temperature regulation.

For bug bites, we use tea tree oil after the fact.

Off to type in the recipe...

[Panserbjorne]

kathy, have you tried ledum homeopathically for the bug bites?

[earthmama4]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Yes, we do mind. Go away. You're not allowed to have allergies.

Actually I was feeling like a freshman asking to eat lunch with the seniors...

Originally Posted by whoMe

A bunch of people have started threads for themselves and then we can try to brainstorm for you.

Oh that makes me feel so happy and hopeful. I feel like I collected a bunch of information, but its all disjointed. I need some objectivity.

[changingseasons]

Ack- I am so behind on the chatting...

Congrats to Marius for the awesome weight gain!! Hope things get easier with the nursing soon JR.

Welcome back PB!!

Originally Posted by chlobo

I grew up with second hand smoke. Maybe I should look into Mo a little more.

I'm going to have to kill that theory for you guys... My mom smoked until I was about 8 I think, I started smoking when I was 15 and smoked until about 3 years ago (so almost 15 years total.) And my Mo levels are off the charts (high).

So how does that happen if smoking/second hand smoke depletes your Mo???

Originally Posted by chlobo

I did manage to find one "crunchy" food. Plantain chips in palm oil. I dare someone to burst my bubble.

Oooooh!! Where did you find those? I would love to get some junk food back and I can totally do palm oil (no idea about the plaintain.)

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Okay, call me lazy if you want but....
Does anyone have an easy way to shred carrots? I've been dying for carrot muffins but I'm too tired to shred carrots forever. I don't have a food processor. I do have a blender.

I just use a peeler. It's still a pita, but easier than a grater imo. I do have a food processor, but it sucks for shredding carrots. I think I need a new blade...

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I went to dig in the deep freeze for chicken and "found" a "lost" bag of my pre-made meals.: I thought I had gone through all of them (though I had kind of thought that they'd gone really fast considering I had about 25 made). So, now I have a few more days of just throwing something in a pot or the oven to warm up quickly and relaxing (or getting something done, which is more likely knowing me ). I can't tell you how happy that made me.

: Finding already prepared food is always exciting.

Originally Posted by mtn.mama

Yes, the OAT is a urine test known as the Organic Acid Test. Mine was done at the Great Plains Laboratory. It examines metabolic by-products and tells you how your body is doing nutritionally as well as yeast, bacterial, oxalate related, glycolusis, krebs cycle, neurotransmitters, pyrimidines, fatty acids, toxic indicators, amino acids, etc. Then it interprets the data and gives your recommendations for improvement.

JR, I didn't want to say Family Grain as my answer... because I know how much you want one. Today I grated 4 cups of carrots in about 20 seconds. Sorry. I thought of you the WHOLE time.

I so, so, SO want a family grain mill. I didn't even know you could do stuff like shred carrots in it either!

Maybe we should look into the OAT too. So can you order it yourself, without a doctor?

Originally Posted by mtn.mama

And I'm excited to report that my chicken endeavor is really taking off. We're collecting more than a dozen a day usually and more meat chicks arriving this week, plus guinea eggs to stick under my setting hen. I have more people interested in ordering than I can provide for, and now folks want goat milk too (after more than a dozen years of no buyers). Its turning into a nice little income and I'm having fun. I'm SO thrilled that T loves scrambled eggs and they are safe for her now!

That is SO cool Lisa. It must be incredibly satisfying knowing that your food was raised/grown responsibly and that it's all healthy and nutritious!! (as opposed to grocery store food flown in from god knows where...)




Ok- I have a question for you guys. If DD reacts to beet greens, but NOT beets- tell me which chemical sensitivity that is. Sals?? I've looked briefly at chemical stuff before, but we never really seem to fit the patterns for any of them. Since I started working at the farmer's market, we've been really adding in a lot of different veggies. Most have gone over pretty well, but she did get some irritation/eczema at the corners of her mouth after me eating greens for a couple days (beet, chard).

We're still living in chaos over here- sleeping on the office floor, living out of boxes.... After much complaining though, the flood restoration guy said that he could put a HEPA filter in our apartment. So now we have this huge industrial HEPA in our hallway adding to the noise of the industrial fans and dehumidifiers.... BUT, I'm sneezing much less today so that makes me feel better. DD's had a rash off and on around her neck, and I know it's related to whatever is getting blown around the apartment with this flooding. The last couple days she's had some random spots/bumps (maybe like mini-hives??) that come and go too. So hopefully the HEPA will help. We finally got an answer about when the water will be on in the new house- by next Friday. Which is the day we're supposed to close on the house. : So our closing is getting pushed back a couple weeks. Couple more weeks of living in chaos... I can do this, I can do this, I can do this.....

[lil_miss_understood]

Yes, welcome back, PB. :
Sorry things are so hard right now, CS. I hope things go more smoothly from here on out.
I believe, but could be wrong, that the Mo uses selenium as a co-factor in detoxing whatever it is, so if your selenium gets depleted, you can't use the Mo but your body holds onto it because it still wants to detox it... Of course, I could totally be making things up seeing as I dream about researching this stuff sometimes lately when I actually get to sleep.
The Family Grain Mill rocks my socks. It does so much that I sometimes forget all that it does. I will continue to totally lust after it until such time as I die or own it. And I completely envy Lisa.
And I would try to convince DH to buy the 40 acres, Lisa, but I know he has no intentions of moving anytime in the near future anyway, much less to a less moderate climate. First point being that he thinks that anything cooler than 20F is "cold" and second being that we'd have to sell the business.
Thank you both Tanya and Lisa for the potato salad recipes. I totally have to try them.
I just got off the phone with a very good, old friend. You'll probably all be pleased to know that she was giving me heck to the tune of "You're one woman, not WONDERwoman. Stop trying to make the rest of us look bad." I gave Marius to DH to play with while I took a bath and had a glass of wine. It was very nice.
I have no idea about the antibiotics atm, Kathy, sorry. How're you feeling though?
Oh! And after adding my vitamin C back in, my Niacin flushes seem to have stopped... Wonder what's up with that? Hopefully, now that the C's back in again I'll stop being a wretch again. I seriously hate myself when I'm out of vitamin C... I'm such a grouchy mean person and can't seem to stop being even though I realize that I'm being overly mean and grouchy about stupid stuff.

[Theloose]

CS - oxalates in the greens, maybe? My first stab at how to deal with them would be calcium with the meal then repopulate with probiotics that can break them down. I forget which strains can do that, but there're a few. I can't believe they're making you live in a flooded apartment for so long! Can you claim health issues and have them put you up somewhere else?

JR - I bet it's the C detoxing the histamine released as part of the flush? Ooh, speaking of C, I was getting low on C because I stopped taking it - it just wasn't jiving with me anymore. I can tell when I'm getting low cause my teeth start to feel a little loose - like I can shift them slightly if I push on them a certain way with my lips/tongue. And so I just started doing rose hip infusions, and they totally tightened up again! As I told dh last night - there's real nutrients in there!! I've also stopped the Mo since I feel like I've taken enough now. My supps are dwindling quickly, and I'm so excited. I think I'm only doing the b complex, plus extra biotin and b5, taurine and mag. Crazy!

We're trialing nectarine over here, with plans for a bunch of trials before we go to TX in July. I don't know who thought July was a good month to go to Texas... We're going to try fresh corn on the cob, raw goat kefir, and possibly masa. If masa is safe(ish), we get to learn how to make tamales in Texas

[tanyalynn]

Quick question--how much taurine? I think DH needs it, I totally overloaded him on mag : it was 1200mg, 600mg had been fine, and that seems low to me (for him, particularly, not for everyone).

Very cool on the short list of supps! And cool on the vitC in the infusion. That will be cool, once my first herbs arrive in the mail, to see how we feel and how we do with them. :

Yeah, July isn't the best month down here. Um, plan to go slow if need-be, when it feels too hot. What city/cities are you visiting? Not that I'd have ideas for most of the places you could go, I'm pathetic with good visitor ideas. But the Houston zoo is apparently great, much bigger than DH expected (I haven't seen it yet, he took the kids on Saturday).

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

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Ok- I have a question for you guys. If DD reacts to beet greens, but NOT beets- tell me which chemical sensitivity that is. Sals?? I've looked briefly at chemical stuff before, but we never really seem to fit the patterns for any of them.

I know spinach is high histamines, other greens are not on the lists often, unfortunately! However, DS doesn't react when I eat pretty much any green, so I'm guessing they're not high sals.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Yes, welcome back, PB. :
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The Family Grain Mill rocks my socks. It does so much that I sometimes forget all that it does. I will continue to totally lust after it until such time as I die or own it. And I completely envy Lisa.

I found one site that does wholesale orders with 6 or more machines. Has anyone ever tried an MDC coop for them? I'd love one too.

[WuWei]

I've heard that rice milk becomes putrid when kefired.

Pat

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Quick question--how much taurine? I think DH needs it, I totally overloaded him on mag : it was 1200mg, 600mg had been fine, and that seems low to me (for him, particularly, not for everyone).

Very cool on the short list of supps! And cool on the vitC in the infusion. That will be cool, once my first herbs arrive in the mail, to see how we feel and how we do with them. :

Yeah, July isn't the best month down here. Um, plan to go slow if need-be, when it feels too hot. What city/cities are you visiting? Not that I'd have ideas for most of the places you could go, I'm pathetic with good visitor ideas. But the Houston zoo is apparently great, much bigger than DH expected (I haven't seen it yet, he took the kids on Saturday).

500mg/day exacerbated everything I was trying to fix - basically I think it served to increase cysteine rather than redirect it to where it's supposed to go. Now I'm on 2000mg/day, split. I think it's important for me to keep it constant. When I was doing straight powder and not being really consistent about it, things went downhill fast.

We'll be spending lots of time in the middle of nowhere with the ILs, plus at least one day trip to Austin (we lived there for a couple years, pre dd), possibly day trips to San Antonio (dh grew up going to school there), and a couple days in Houston to visit my aunt/grandma. So lots and lots of driving in the air conditioned car isn't that what texas is all about?

[Theloose]

WuWei

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I believe, but could be wrong, that the Mo uses selenium as a co-factor in detoxing whatever it is, so if your selenium gets depleted, you can't use the Mo but your body holds onto it because it still wants to detox it... Of course, I could totally be making things up seeing as I dream about researching this stuff sometimes lately when I actually get to sleep.

Interesting. It makes sense... because it's got to be something, right? I will check that out if I get any time today.

Originally Posted by mamafish9

I found one site that does wholesale orders with 6 or more machines. Has anyone ever tried an MDC coop for them? I'd love one too.

Oooooooh, that would be so cool. I wonder how much of a discount they give?

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by earthmama4

Actually I was feeling like a freshman asking to eat lunch with the seniors...

Except I felt the same way a few years ago, and now I've turned into a geek (DH would disagree and say I've been geeky all along), the local manager at Pei Wei (gluten-free menu!) mentioned, when I was asking questions, a later-in-life allergy to sulfa drugs, and I wanted to shout "Acetylation! You filled up your acetylation detox pathway and started reacting, and by the way, have you explored options besides antibiotics?" but of course I didn't say any of that.

Originally Posted by changingseasons

I'm going to have to kill that theory for you guys... My mom smoked until I was about 8 I think, I started smoking when I was 15 and smoked until about 3 years ago (so almost 15 years total.) And my Mo levels are off the charts (high).

So how does that happen if smoking/second hand smoke depletes your Mo???

It's the folate being used in methylation that's using up the molybdenum, right? And methylation is related to IgE allergies, so it seems like an odd block in there somewhere. I don't know if it's biochemical or energetic or both, but I swear, the answer seems like it's there. And so instead of the smoke being excreted, it just hung around, I'd bet.

Originally Posted by whoMe

500mg/day exacerbated everything I was trying to fix - basically I think it served to increase cysteine rather than redirect it to where it's supposed to go. Now I'm on 2000mg/day, split. I think it's important for me to keep it constant. When I was doing straight powder and not being really consistent about it, things went downhill fast.

So lots and lots of driving in the air conditioned car isn't that what texas is all about?

And thanks for the taurine suggestion.



: I'm sorry, and I'll pop over and hang out there, I've been pulling back and just not dealing as much with the world--yes, it's funny I can write that since a computer screen is not the world--but I've been doing more with my local world/outside, so I guess that's good--but I want to pop over and see what's going on. But there are so many links to other sites there, my brain gets full.

Oh, just got a couple Louise Hay books (one of her books, one compliation on gratitude by people she knows), I needed something inspiring and uplifting to read about. We're in a good groove, I want to keep it going!

[changingseasons]

Sorry Pat.... that's frustrating.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by Panserbjørne

kathy, have you tried ledum homeopathically for the bug bites?

I haven't tried any homeopathy because I'm waiting for someone to start her business. Of course now I'm out-of-state for the summer, so it'll have to wait until fall unless she does email consults....

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Ok- I have a question for you guys. If DD reacts to beet greens, but NOT beets- tell me which chemical sensitivity that is. Sals?? I've looked briefly at chemical stuff before, but we never really seem to fit the patterns for any of them. Since I started working at the farmer's market, we've been really adding in a lot of different veggies. Most have gone over pretty well, but she did get some irritation/eczema at the corners of her mouth after me eating greens for a couple days (beet, chard).

I don't know. We're not fans of beet greens, but love beets. But DD2 can't have beet sugar (it's non-GMO by Now foods). And I can't figure out that one either.

We're still living in chaos over here- sleeping on the office floor, living out of boxes.... After much complaining though, the flood restoration guy said that he could put a HEPA filter in our apartment. So now we have this huge industrial HEPA in our hallway adding to the noise of the industrial fans and dehumidifiers.... BUT, I'm sneezing much less today so that makes me feel better. DD's had a rash off and on around her neck, and I know it's related to whatever is getting blown around the apartment with this flooding. The last couple days she's had some random spots/bumps (maybe like mini-hives??) that come and go too. So hopefully the HEPA will help. We finally got an answer about when the water will be on in the new house- by next Friday. Which is the day we're supposed to close on the house. : So our closing is getting pushed back a couple weeks. Couple more weeks of living in chaos... I can do this, I can do this, I can do this.....

That doesn't sound like any fun at all. Hopefully things get better soon for you.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I could totally be making things up seeing as I dream about researching this stuff sometimes lately when I actually get to sleep.

I have to read over the chat thread each time because I can't remember what was real and what I dreamed!

I have no idea about the antibiotics atm, Kathy, sorry. How're you feeling though?

I'm still getting off and on kidney pain, but otherwise it's fine. But the bitter/nasty taste (even from water) is horrible! Makes me not want to eat. I just did a bunch of probiotics after breakfast so I'm seeing if that'll help.

[Theloose]

Kathy, the only nutrient I know for taste is zinc (I'm sure there are a bazillion others I don't know). Antibiotics are acetylation, which is most of the adrenal stuff (B5, B6, mag, etc) plus B1.

I haven't in a bit, but for a while there, I was dreaming I was meeting some of you in person... I think it was kathy in a coffee shop somewhere, and elisabeth leading a week-long hike in the mountains with a few others, but I forget who (that was one WEIRD dream). Now I've got totally wrong mental images...