6 mo. died after CIO episode - Page 2

[Astrid]

I have read the article and thought I would explain it a little better. This was the families third baby, and since then they have adopted or fostered many other children. It's been about 14 years since baby Danny died. The article is more about how the adoptions healed the family from the void of losing a child. The CIO causing his death is a very small part, I think I read the part over about 5 times because I couldn't believe what I read They didn't get into the dangers at all about CIO

[hipumpkins]

...and about parents who leave babies for hours.
My MIL left my husband (when he was littel baby) in his crib all night screaming and IN HIS OWn VOMIT. He woke with red swollen eyes. She tells me this story often b/c she is PROUD that he never woke at night again. She is not sorry she says, ">>ANd he never did again" all smug. Makes me sick everytime I think of it.

[momto l&a]

EVEN if a person did beleive in CIO, who in their right mind wouldnt go check on the child after all was quite to make sure they where ok and covered up for the night?

[Momma's Arms]

Wow. That is sick. Just sick. That a family could do that. And even worse that it could just be glossed over- like it was insignificant. Child abuse that leads to death= murder. Why is this acceptable?

Maybe my imagination is running loose, but has anyone else read stories about families with SIDS cases that were later proven to be child abuse? I've seen tv movies and read articles about how the families were later found to be suffucating the kids. There were even a few cases brought to trial where there were multiple deaths among siblings all from the stressed out mom and her pillow. Doesn't it seem odd that the child would cry for that long and then die? I know how stressful that would have to be on a babe. But, is it really enough to cause death?

OT, who is Ezzo and why is this person so evil?

[rareimer]

Momma's Arms -- http://www.ezzo.info/ alot of info about ezzo and why he is one of the most horrible men to ever call himself an "expert".

[juicylucy]

wow, I thought the article would be about the dangers of CIO. I guess they wouldn't put that in such a mainstream magazine. How sad.
quote "That is so sad. . . all I can think is that the last thing that baby remembers before dying is that he was in a dark place with noone to calm or comfort him, totally alone, and abandoned."

exactly paxetbonum

[candiland]

I'd have to go back and look through to see what "form" of CIO these parents used. I'm not sure if they went in to comfort him or not. Do you know, Astrid? I can't quite recall.
Either way, I, too, was shocked that there was no mention of how babies nightwake for a reason...... to regulate themselves and their breathing patterns. I guess that since it was written by the mother, she either didn't want to admit this or doesn't know this.
Either way........ like paxetbonum said...... dying that way is just so heartbreaking.

[Gemini]

6 MONTHS OLD???????????
I'm ill, I have nothing to add.

Stupid, stupid people.

[JessicaSpalding]

THIS month's edition, eh? I think we should all write letters to the editor.

[hunnybumm]

Originally posted by Momma's Arms
Maybe my imagination is running loose, but has anyone else read stories about families with SIDS cases that were later proven to be child abuse? I've seen tv movies and read articles about how the families were later found to be suffucating the kids. There were even a few cases brought to trial where there were multiple deaths among siblings all from the stressed out mom and her pillow. Doesn't it seem odd that the child would cry for that long and then die? I know how stressful that would have to be on a babe. But, is it really enough to cause death?

I remember seeing a Law and Order where the woman had 3 natural children and 1 adopted child die from SIDS, till they finaly figured out that she had that biproxi syndrom (can't spell) where she was killing her babies for the attention. I know its not all true, but those are based on real life stories... so so sad.

I also can't see calling the parents these terrible horrible people. They thought what they were doing was best, even if it was wrong. It isn't like they knew they were going to hurt him. It's mainstream to CIO so they probably just had no clue.

JMHO though.

[stonelove]

OH WOW...this is sooooooo horrible. I can only imagine how this woman and her family must feel. Do you think there might be some sort of legal consequences? In the least, this is child neglect, if not abuse or some sort of indirect manslaughter.

People often tell me that I have to let my little Josiah CIO if he is ever going to learn to sleep and I know that is not true. I slept with my mommie when I was little and it was the most beautiful and bond producing thing she ever could have done. Even as I grew older, I would occasionally get back in the bed with her to talk and fall asleep laughing and watching TV. Almost like a slumber party between buddies.

To think that this mother will miss whatever wonderful moments she could have had with her child so that she could get a few more winks.

I did not even know that die hard CIO advocates say leave a child that is only 6 months old to cry until 4 am. They seriously need to clarify whatever prescription they are providing parents. But don't you think she should have known better considering that she has 2 older children.

I am running on...but I just feel so strongly after having read something so horrible.

[Astrid]

Originally posted by candiland

I'd have to go back and look through to see what "form" of CIO these parents used. I'm not sure if they went in to comfort him or not. Do you know, Astrid? I can't quite recall.
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They would always run in and comfort him, but figured since he was six months old they would let him CIO And they were both family doctors too.

[Astrid]

Originally posted by stonelove
OH WOW...this is sooooooo horrible. I can only imagine how this woman and her family must feel. Do you think there might be some sort of legal consequences?

Nope, this happened about 14 years ago and since then they have adopted 5 kids.

[hvl25]

I saw that too. They ended up adopting I think 3 or 4 other kids after that.

[Viola]

Originally posted by Paxetbonum
That is so sad. . . all I can think is that the last thing that baby remembers before dying is that he was in a dark place with noone to calm or comfort him, totally alone, and abandoned. He was probably glad to be leaving this world.

OMG, that statment has me bawling my eyes out! That poor little baby.

[Viola]

Originally posted by hunnybumm
I remember seeing a Law and Order where the woman had 3 natural children and 1 adopted child die from SIDS, till they finaly figured out that she had that biproxi syndrom (can't spell) where she was killing her babies for the attention.

Munchausen by proxy. I just read an article two days ago about a mom who was caught injecting fecal matter into her daughter's IV.

[Viola]

Originally posted by Astrid
They didn't get into the dangers at all about CIO

Well, that bites! Hopefully they will get enough letters to the editors to do an article about the dangers of CIO.

[Viola]

Originally posted by hipumpkins
She is not sorry she says, ">>ANd he never did again" all smug. Makes me sick everytime I think of it.

The next time she says that your hubby should say something like "I think that sort of thing goes on in nursing homes too, so you'll get your chance."

[veganmum]

That is awful. I know this may sound harch to some, but I seriously hope that the family was charged with neglect. Letting a baby cry for that long is trully a crime. I feel very sorry for them that they have to live through the consequence, but I also feel it's important to make something like this a crime so that other people wake up and realise that CIO (at least to this extent) is a form of child abuse and the results can be serious.

[Momma's Arms]

I don't think it's harsh at all. Their actions led to that poor baby's death. That is manslaughter.

I don't think that they were charged with anything. No one has mentioned it if they were. I haven't read the article. Were they even investigated?