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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Sorry about he rant/vent, but I have to get this off my chest.

My niece's kids are staying with us for a few days. This would be my oldest sister's grandkids. My niece has what most here would consider a very mainstream way of raising them. She spanks, they cried it out when they were babies, formula fed, first foods were french fries (at 3 months for the oldest girl), lots of Disney, Barbie, toy guns, video games, hours of TV/day, free reign of the internet. The kids are 8(b), 8(g) and 9(g) now. My dd is 7.

Every time we have the kids visiting it reminds me so much that we are truly different in the way we are raising dd, but this time really hit home more than ever. For example, I made pancakes yesterday. As a treat, I told dd she could have Nutella (the chocolate hazelnut spread) on her pancake and asked if the others wanted it. Nope, they didn't like it. Had they ever tried it? No, but they don't like it. Dd said, "Boy are you missing out." Then I said, "O.K., well, I have peanut butter, jam, or syrup for the pancakes." They decided peanut butter... why? Because my syrup was REAL maple syrup and not the high fructose fake crap. They don't like real maple syrup... but of course, they've never tried it. Then the boy says, "If you don't finish your food, your mommy will spank you." Dd looked at him like he was crazy and said, "No, mommy says that your tummy tells you when to stop. And she would never spank me. She loves me." The boy looked equally surprised. Dd went on to say, "In this house we have a rule. No hitting for any reason." The older girl says, "I wish I could live here."

It makes me cry that they live in fear of being spanked for not cleaning their plates. That's a disaster waiting to happen. Especially for the oldest girl. The oldest girl is a complete sweetheart. She has a weight problem and is really tall for her age, but she has the kindest spirit of any child I've ever seen. She is practically ostracized in favor of the younger, slimmer, cuter dd who is a lying, stealing and manipulative little brat (she threw a temper tantrum because the others told her to quit cheating at some card game they were playing). The older dd has become so depressed at times that she has said that she wants to die. And they ignore it!

The foods they eat are atrocious. McDonald's every.single.day. All the food is processed and has so much trans fats, HFCS, artificial everything, and preservatives, that I know *I* would feel sick all the time eating it. The younger girl did say she is a vegetarian. When I asked her what vegetables she likes, it turns out she doesn't like vegetables, it's just that the only meat she'll eat is hot dog. The boy is on ADHD medicine and TBH, every time I'd ever been around him, he just seemed to act like a rambunctious boy. Not over the top, but he could try to settle down some. I wouldn't have said he has ADHD. I tried telling my niece that his diet is likely to blame and she should look to change that first as it would be an easy solution if so. No go... let's dope him up. And on his medication he just sits in a chair and stares off into space. Doesn't even want to play or eat. It makes me want to cry.

Dd was excited to tell them that she has met not 1, but 2 goals so far this summer at the summer reading program at the library. I asked the kids if they were participating in theirs. Turns out their mother told them that the program was only for certain "good" kids that the library hand-picked to participate and they weren't good enough. I called their library and got them signed up anyway... then asked their mom if it was O.K. Of course, it was fine with her, she didn't realize it started already! (Riiiiiiiight! ) These kids need the encouragement of a reward-based program like this. The 8 yo boy can barely read, the 8 yo girl is a little better, but even the 9 yo is having trouble. Dd, at 7, is years above these kids. According to the kids, they have no books, don't go to the library, and nobody in their home reads... even to them. I sat down with the boy for a little while and we just took turns reading to each other. Even that little bit of attention helped. I can't imagine what a few minutes a day would help! He said, "I wish my mom would do this with me at bedtime."

There are just so many things that I guess I thought was the norm and not necessarily AP, but is not for this part of my family. Taking an interest in healthy food, empowering each child according to their strengths, discouraging poor decisions like lying and stealing, spending time together to read and learn things, etc. No matter your style of parenting, I thought these were pretty basic tenets of child rearing. We made our own individual pizzas last night and they were just astonished that I made my pizza dough from scratch. They didn't even realize that you could make your own pizza... they thought it came from a box or the pizzaria. It's like outside of the world of Disney and video games and fast-food, they have no frame of reference for anything real. :

I just never realized how incredibly different we might parent from others. Yes, I'm making a judgment. I'm an AP mom... we all think that our way is better or we wouldn't do it. But I hate seeing these kids' spirits broken already at this young of an age. The oldest girl is so sweet, but is almost always depressed from staying in the shadow of her manipulative sister and the boy is just drugged and unhappy. Well, they seem happier here after a few days.

Rant/vent over. I'm glad I'm an AP mommy. Donning my fireproof suit because I know some will have some comments about my being judgmental. Yeah, I know it is. It feels good to vent about it.
post #2 of 14
Oh I totally know where you are coming from!
I find the hardest thing is discipline when I look after other peoples children becaues they are so used to the 'do this or I will do that to you - punshment type of discipline' that when you are gentle discipline with them, they just look at you confused like a deer in the headlights or think 'ahah! - I can do whatever I want because she isn't going to do anything about it - like spank me!'...It can be frustrating...but also very depressing.
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by velochic View Post
Sorry about he rant/vent, but I have to get this off my chest.

There are just so many things that I guess I thought was the norm and not necessarily AP, but is not for this part of my family. Taking an interest in healthy food, empowering each child according to their strengths, discouraging poor decisions like lying and stealing, spending time together to read and learn things, etc. No matter your style of parenting, I thought these were pretty basic tenets of child rearing. We made our own individual pizzas last night and they were just astonished that I made my pizza dough from scratch. They didn't even realize that you could make your own pizza... they thought it came from a box or the pizzaria. It's like outside of the world of Disney and video games and fast-food, they have no frame of reference for anything real. :

I just never realized how incredibly different we might parent from others. Yes, I'm making a judgment. I'm an AP mom... we all think that our way is better or we wouldn't do it. But I hate seeing these kids' spirits broken already at this young of an age. The oldest girl is so sweet, but is almost always depressed from staying in the shadow of her manipulative sister and the boy is just drugged and unhappy. Well, they seem happier here after a few days.

Rant/vent over. I'm glad I'm an AP mommy. Donning my fireproof suit because I know some will have some comments about my being judgmental. Yeah, I know it is. It feels good to vent about it.
I don't see this particular issue as one of AP vs. mainstream. I see this as bad parenting, period. You can be a mainstream momma who is caring, positive and feeds her children healthy foods. There are a lot of good parents who are mainstream, even though we don't agree with their choices. And as far as spanking goes, it is incredibly over the top to spank your kids for not finishing their food, IMO. This family is the poster family for dysfunction... it breaks my heart.
post #4 of 14
Yeah, I don't think this is an example of mainstream parenting at all. But I feel badly for her kids - I guess you should just try to love them as best you can.
post #5 of 14
I agree that this probably isn't AP vs. non-AP so much as caring/attentive parenting vs. rather selfish parenting. We had similar issues when we would babysit my nieces and nephews while their parents were away and we didn't have kids yet nor had I ever heard of AP! As an aside, some of things you mention are more NFL (food especially) than AP.

Which doesn't, of course, mitigate the sadness and anger of seeing children you love treated in a way that you don't approve of. I finally decided there were really only a couple of things that I could do. One was always be available to babysit. The other was to make sure that the kids knew they could come to me if they needed a sympathetic ear. Especially my youngest niece as her parents routinely label her as "bad" even though she's a super kid. Nothing I could say to their parents was going to change their minds and would only stir up family trouble. But I have made sure the kids know I love and value them and I'm here if they need me.
post #6 of 14
This kind of thing just drives me crazy...the food part, especially. I can't STAND parents who don't feed their kids properly...I'm not talking about an occasional swinging into McDonalds....I clearly recall as a kid, that was the HUGEST deal, eating fast food...we N-E-V-E-R got it, so when we were moving or going on a road trip or somthing and got to have it, it was soooo good. BUT all the time? THat makes me sick and to be honest, I consider it to be a form of child abuse....really. If you feed your DC a horrible diet all the time, you are abusing them from the inside out AND teaching them how to eat terribly later on....which WILL lead to illness and unhappiness later on. I just....I have no words for someone who feeds their child nothing but crap, gives them no attention and then puts them on medication for their "attention" problem. No, they don't have an attention problem...they have a life problem...specifically, a parent-related life problem. THe poor oldest girl...she will probably say something alarming in ear shot of a teacher or do something alarming in a cry for help and end up on depression meds herself...ugh.

Well...you know, at least they get to see a more loving way at your house, OP. If nothing else, maybe it will help them to make a decision someday, to be more loving to their own kids?? Just stay a positive presence in their life...so they can SEE that "other way", you know?


And I would like to point out to the PPs that the OP SPECIFICALLY stated that she *didn't* think the basic parenting these kids were lacking were traits of Attachement Parenting, but rather basic tenants that all parents practiced....as I read it, the OP does not have "mainstream" confused with plain crappy parenting...
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by chipper26 View Post
I don't see this particular issue as one of AP vs. mainstream. I see this as bad parenting, period. You can be a mainstream momma who is caring, positive and feeds her children healthy foods. There are a lot of good parents who are mainstream, even though we don't agree with their choices. And as far as spanking goes, it is incredibly over the top to spank your kids for not finishing their food, IMO. This family is the poster family for dysfunction... it breaks my heart.
Yeah that was what I was going to say. It must be really painful for you to witness the damage to their spirits.

I have tears in my eyes.
post #8 of 14
You are incredible to be there for them. For the record, I also see nothing mainstream about this parenting. It's a sad sad situation certainly for the oldest girl. I think you can be a real positive force in her life.
post #9 of 14
As an avid reader it broke my heart to read: He said, "I wish my mom would do this with me at bedtime."

We read 4 books to my 2-yr-old every night plus other random books during the day - he LOVES reading. I cannot imagine not reading with your child.
post #10 of 14
They are so lucky to have you! My mom was an ap parent, and fed us well- really was a good mom. But I never had a healthy relationship modeled for me, except at my aunt's home. I really credit her with helping me to see a good and realistic marriage and to create that for myself.

I think you will be that for these children. Your example and love may help the next generation exceed what their parents did, which is a lovely thing.
post #11 of 14
I agree with PPs who have said this is not the norm for mainstream parenting. There are many mainstream ideas that I disagree with, but I firmly believe you can be a mainstream parent and be a GOOD parent. My parents did it. They weren't the best in the world, by any means, but they raised me to be a decent adult who can make good choices on my own.

Do you live nearby to these children? Are you able to be more involved in their lives on a regular basis, maybe invite them over for an afternoon or evening once a week and go to the library or a museum or make a nutritious meal together? If they live far away maybe you could form a virtual book club with these kids and your daughter--they could all read the same book and discuss the chapters by IM (or whatever kids are using these days).

Obviously, you can't just change their family, but maybe you can offer a little more alternative to the life/parenting they have been used to.
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
I did state that this is not about AP. But I do think that Attachment Parenting makes us more *aware* of what we are doing. I specifically said that this is about simple tenets of parenting.

I don't live close and we are not a strong influence in their lives. I've tried to talk to my niece, but she is very negative/defensive/emotionally void.

Mostly this was a rant because it hurts my heart to see kids like this. They are loved, not neglected, but they certainly aren't heading into life with any kind of confidence. It's a different parenting style and TBH, other than these kids, I hang out with other mothers who think like I do, so I don't see it! It's an eye opener!

And it is sad to feel so powerless!
post #13 of 14
I know that powerless feeling. Where parenting is bad- you know it has severe repercussions for the kids yet there is nothing you can do about it. It isn't enough to warrant removal but it still seems so awful for the children. Fortunately, they are resilient and having you as a loving and fun realtive will make an impact!
post #14 of 14
the things you are describing are NOT the norm and they are NOT even mainstream. that is just sad. i know lots of mainstream parents and they feed their kids REAL food and read books to them. i'm sorry for those children.

(didn't read the other posts before posting)
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