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post #21 of 57
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There's also the gov't fear of a more malicious virus. Anywhere you look, there's speculation that the virus will mutate during the So. Hemisphere's flu season and then come back up to the No. Hemisphere in the autumn-- worse than ever. The 1918 flu did have a second, much more deadly wave *but* the World War had a lot to do with the way that spread.

And the gov't fear of blame. People do want to find someone to blame, always. The gov't can't put a cap on its liability for failure to "save" people from the swine flu (look at the case with the NY principal whose wife says it's the city's fault he died-- they didn't act early enough). However, the gov't *can* put a cap on its liability for vaccines. Also, they believe they have the statistics and thus control over negative vaccine reactions, whereas the impact of h1n1 and its potential mutations are much more unknown. It's just "safer" for the gov't to trade what appears to be a known and controlled risk for an unknown risk.

Of course, the money, too. In '04 Bush passes a plan to stockpile vaccines for pandemics and now the gov't is basically tied to shelling out several billion in the name of flu protection, no matter how benign the disease. I believe the U.S. is committed to about $1 billion for purchase of this vaccine. They have basically forced themselves into contracts with the vaccine companies.
post #22 of 57
Ok so if none of this makes sense.....

Are they simply using the swine flu as a reason to institute mandatory vaccines?

Is it about something other than vaccines?

Is this just a trial run???


I'm so confused
post #23 of 57
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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
Ok so if none of this makes sense.....

Are they simply using the swine flu as a reason to institute mandatory vaccines?

Is it about something other than vaccines?

Is this just a trial run???


I'm so confused
that would be bad. very bad.
post #24 of 57
nvm
post #25 of 57
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i just dont get it... "an estimated 1 million Americans have been infected with the H1N1 swine flu, which continues to produce mild illness and a fairly quick recovery in patients." Mmmkay soo why is it so important to inject everyone? Just because we can?! :
Follow the money.

One article said they don't have enough medical personnel to handling administering the vaccine to everyone as planned. Just wait, next thing you know they'll be touting this as a way to stimulate the economy.

It is all terrifying to me.
post #26 of 57

What do you know about this vaccine?

I am concerned about a pushed through vaccine. Does anyone know the ingredients yet? Aluminum ? toxic waste ?
I keep hoping there will not be a huge vaccine push in the fall. I can't wait to see a package insert . Let me know if you find anything as far as info on the vaccine once it is created
post #27 of 57
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....I believe the U.S. is committed to about $1 billion for purchase of this vaccine. They have basically forced themselves into contracts with the vaccine companies.

I wish this figure of $1 billion were even close to correct: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/01...ine/index.html

from the article dated July 1:
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Congress passed a supplemental appropriation for $7.5 billion, which President Obama recently signed, to cover the costs of preparing for the virus, which includes a vaccination campaign,....
(bolding mine)

I have read also that they are allowing adjuvants, previously unlicensed in the US (approved only for oversees malaria and yellow fever vaccines) to be used in the swine flu vaccine in order to 'stretch' the supply. Forgive me for not posting the link - there is so much swine flu news I can't seem to pull up this article from my searches.
post #28 of 57
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I wish this figure of $1 billion were even close to correct: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/01...ine/index.html

from the article dated July 1: (bolding mine)

I have read also that they are allowing adjuvants, previously unlicensed in the US (approved only for oversees malaria and yellow fever vaccines) to be used in the swine flu vaccine in order to 'stretch' the supply. Forgive me for not posting the link - there is so much swine flu news I can't seem to pull up this article from my searches.
You're right... The only information I had found about it at the time was a report issued by the congressional budget office Sept 2008 for plans to stockpile flu vaccines. They threw around a lot of figures-- up to $13.5 billion for various vaccine-related activities, but $1 billion was the figure specific to the vaccine stockpile.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/securi...cines_ch4.html

I wouldn't be surprised if this figure increases and continues to increase. That's the game they're playing here, right.

Oh, this report also includes the info about the FDA possibly pushing through vaccines that are unlicensed and haven't undergone the necessary clinical trials. To quote:
"if an influenza pandemic were to occur, the FDA could permit the use of unlicensed adjuvanted vaccines even if they had not completed the full cycle of clinical trials."
post #29 of 57
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I am concerned about a pushed through vaccine. Does anyone know the ingredients yet? Aluminum ? toxic waste ?
I keep hoping there will not be a huge vaccine push in the fall. I can't wait to see a package insert . Let me know if you find anything as far as info on the vaccine once it is created
I will keep looking for this!
Lots of companies are working on a vaccine so the ingredients could be vastly different. Aluminum is likely. They want a vaccine that works most efficiently so it will probably contain "adjuvants" -- like aluminum, etc.
As posted previously, in this situation it is possible that the adjuvants used will be some that haven't gone through the traditional safety screening process-- this is an URGENT situation, remember.
post #30 of 57
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Originally Posted by philia View Post
I am concerned about a pushed through vaccine. Does anyone know the ingredients yet? Aluminum ? toxic waste ?
I keep hoping there will not be a huge vaccine push in the fall. I can't wait to see a package insert . Let me know if you find anything as far as info on the vaccine once it is created
Novartis will most likely be using an adjuvant called MF59 which made from squalene, a biological precursor to steroids. It has been in use for 10 years in the UK in a vaccine called Fluad, for seniors.

Baxter received licensing for a "mock up" pandemic vaccine by the European Medicines Agency. (pdf document)
http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/.../H-982-en1.pdf

Their report states that the vaccine was only tested on 561 adult participants, and 72% acheived significant antibody response. In the vaccine, they found "trace (very low) levels [of]... formaldehyde, benzonase and sucrose."
In a pandemic, they even recommend giving the vaccine to people with known allergies to the components "as long as facilities for resuscitation are available."
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They will collect the safety information after distribution in a pandemic.
New Zealand already purchased 300,000 doses.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_11662037.htm
post #31 of 57
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Novartis will most likely be using an adjuvant called MF59 which made from squalene, a biological precursor to steroids. It has been in use for 10 years in the UK in a vaccine called Fluad, for seniors.

Baxter received licensing for a "mock up" pandemic vaccine by the European Medicines Agency. (pdf document)
http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/.../H-982-en1.pdf

Their report states that the vaccine was only tested on 561 adult participants, and 72% acheived significant antibody response. In the vaccine, they found "trace (very low) levels [of]... formaldehyde, benzonase and sucrose."
In a pandemic, they even recommend giving the vaccine to people with known allergies to the components "as long as facilities for resuscitation are available."
:

They will collect the safety information after distribution in a pandemic.
New Zealand already purchased 300,000 doses.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_11662037.htm

Say what???

: :
post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by ss834 View Post
Baxter received licensing for a "mock up" pandemic vaccine by the European Medicines Agency. (pdf document)
[url]http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/celvapan/H-982-en1.pdf
Isn't Baxter the one that sent the bird flu instead of seasonal flu to some labs in Europe? Now that's the kind of company I would want to trust to do careful work!

I'm just flabbergasted at all of this. It is truly terrifying to me.
post #33 of 57
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In a pandemic, they even recommend giving the vaccine to people with known allergies to the components "as long as facilities for resuscitation are available."
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This should be all the information any sane person needs to realize that the best interest of the public is not what they have in mind here.
post #34 of 57
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Isn't Baxter the one that sent the bird flu instead of seasonal flu to some labs in Europe? Now that's the kind of company I would want to trust to do careful work!

I'm just flabbergasted at all of this. It is truly terrifying to me.
That's them! They also distributed heparin containing ingredients that were intentionally altered by a Chinese distributor (substituted for cheaper chemicals), and this resulted in several deaths in 2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/he...arin.html?_r=1

A few other scandals as well. Who knows which viruses or chemicals they might accidently include in this round of vaccines.
post #35 of 57
So, can anyone name me a lovely little town in Mexico to 'vacation' in from about August until next June? No way in Hell is someone jabbing my dd with anything. This is such a hill to die on, I don't even begin to know what the heck to do.
post #36 of 57
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A few other scandals as well. Who knows which viruses or chemicals they might accidently include in this round of vaccines.
Can you imagine what would happen to you or me if we did something as criminally negligent as Baxter's contamination? We'd rot in prison until we died. But Baxter and all the other pharmaceutical companies have the feds in their pockets, and so nothing happens and the mainstream media do their best not to report the incident.

And we're supposed to blindly trust these people, these companies that are at best, horribly incompetent, and at worst, intentionally murderous.

Incredible.
post #37 of 57
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the mainstream media do their best not to report the incident.
the gov. and stuff i get... but whats the point in having media if they cover up that kind of stuff... and why on earth would they do that? career making story much?
post #38 of 57
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the gov. and stuff i get... but whats the point in having media if they cover up that kind of stuff... and why on earth would they do that? career making story much?
Pharma probably pays a LOT in advertising dollars. That's who they really cater to in the end anyway. The advertisers.
post #39 of 57
Hey guys, we here in the UK are just as suspicious about the swine flu vaccine. We've just heard today that they are going to rush through the safety checks with this vaccine!! There aren't even proper trials being conducted! Lots of protest from people.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6694046.ece

I live in the west of Scotland which has had the highest and fastest rate of people with swine flu in relation to the area size. I know plenty of people that have been exposed to it and one of the schools close by had to be closed down. Friends have said it was quite mild. They were given Tamiflu antiviral pills but most of them stopped taking it after a day and some just didn't bother.

This is a very good pdf on how to treat the flu naturally.

http://www.devonashealthytalk.com/files/Hinkle_Flu.pdf
post #40 of 57
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Originally Posted by littlemunchkin View Post
Hey guys, we here in the UK are just as suspicious about the swine flu vaccine. We've just heard today that they are going to rush through the safety checks with this vaccine!! There aren't even proper trials being conducted! Lots of protest from people.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6694046.ece

I live in the west of Scotland which has had the highest and fastest rate of people with swine flu in relation to the area size. I know plenty of people that have been exposed to it and one of the schools close by had to be closed down. Friends have said it was quite mild. They were given Tamiflu antiviral pills but most of them stopped taking it after a day and some just didn't bother.

This is a very good pdf on how to treat the flu naturally.

http://www.devonashealthytalk.com/files/Hinkle_Flu.pdf
It was refreshing to read the comments, and I'm hoping that its representative of the country and not merely a good selection of informed online citizens. If ppl in America had half the brains as some of the commenters, we may not fare so bad afterall. Good to know UK is just as suspicious and have their witts about them!
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