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post #1 of 24
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Hi mamas,

As much as I do not believe that things come to that, I want to be prepared. If this unfortunate event takes a place, we will leave the country immediately. I have few questions though. How do you think it would start? Would they announce it everywhere, or would they keep it quite coming to people's homes and vaxing against their will? Would there be enough time to leave the country AFTER it starts? Or would they most likely require receiving the shot BEFORE allowing you to leave the country? I know that no one really knows, but please give me your best guess.

Thanks in advance,
yulia
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post #3 of 24
I'm sure it would start out as voluntary. Short of literally shutting down the internet there's no way they could keep door-to-door vaccinations quiet for long. People would tell each other. There would be video posted on YouTube, and when that video was deleted people would distribute it with RapidShare and other similar sites.

When the voluntary program doesn't even come close to getting rid of those hundreds of millions of vaxes, it might start to get really interesting. I hope to be out of the city by then.
post #4 of 24
First of all, I don't think it's going to happen for swine flu, unless the virus mutates and becomes significantly deadlier. The CDC (via the media) is probably going to fearmonger the SNOT out of us to get it voluntarily, but it's unlikely that they're going to make it mandatory for a new flu virus that's not any more threatening than seasonal flu.

That said, I followed the laws passed in the mid 2000's when H5N1 hysteria was at it's peak, and what was passed, was a choice of vaccination or voluntary quarantine in your home for a while in the event of an infectious disease epidemic. I've forgotten the details, but they're available online if anyone cares to look it up. It's here in this forum, too, but the search function here would be harder to use than google to locate the original .gov sources.
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by Yulia_R View Post
Hi mamas,

As much as I do not believe that things come to that, I want to be prepared. If this unfortunate event takes a place, we will leave the country immediately. I have few questions though. How do you think it would start? Would they announce it everywhere, or would they keep it quite coming to people's homes and vaxing against their will? Would there be enough time to leave the country AFTER it starts? Or would they most likely require receiving the shot BEFORE allowing you to leave the country? I know that no one really knows, but please give me your best guess.

Thanks in advance,
yulia
i believe there will be a small window of time ... about a month or two maybe even six months... depends on the fatalities.... but if you are getting on a plane you will be checked on and off... you will not get anywhere if you are fevered or showing any other signs of illness... that is why you must start w/ nutrition and other preventative measures NOW, not when it's on the news.. NOW, dont' let your kids play with other children with signs of being sick, runny nose coughing etc.... i usually just say i have an emergency and have to go somewhere and turn them away...

Stay out of mall/indoor playgrounds
post #6 of 24
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i believe there will be a small window of time ... about a month or two maybe even six months... depends on the fatalities.... but if you are getting on a plane you will be checked on and off... you will not get anywhere if you are fevered or showing any other signs of illness... that is why you must start w/ nutrition and other preventative measures NOW, not when it's on the news.. NOW, dont' let your kids play with other children with signs of being sick, runny nose coughing etc.... i usually just say i have an emergency and have to go somewhere and turn them away...

Stay out of mall/indoor playgrounds
runny nose and coughing are signs of allergies and the common cold. You are going to turn everyone away from your door? I don't understand this logic.

Your immune system needs to come into contact with germs in order to build itself up. It's like working out. If you don't practice fighting things off.. then when the something big comes around... it wont be up to the task.

I never ever ever use purell or any of that garbage. I put my kids straight in the shopping cart and never use the clorox wipes to clean off the handle. And I don't worry about kids with a cough or runny nose. Build a strong immune system.. don't build yourself a bubble.
post #7 of 24
Personally I think it's extremely unlikely that the US would ever have forced vaccinations. I think there may well be vaxes that will be mandatory (no exemptions) before doing certain things like school, day care, extracurricular classes, maybe air or plane travel. As an extreme long shot, it could even be required before you can go into certain workplaces. But I don't think anyone is ever going to go door to door with vaxes.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by medusaatemydog View Post
NOW, dont' let your kids play with other children with signs of being sick, runny nose coughing etc.... i usually just say i have an emergency and have to go somewhere and turn them away...

Stay out of mall/indoor playgrounds

Maybe I didn't explain mysekf well. I do NOT mind the flu, I DO mind the vaccine though.

Even if they don't let you on a plain without the shot, it will still probably possible to drive to Canada or Mexico without one and fly from there. At least I'd imagine that.
post #9 of 24
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runny nose and coughing are signs of allergies and the common cold. You are going to turn everyone away from your door? I don't understand this logic.

Your immune system needs to come into contact with germs in order to build itself up. It's like working out. If you don't practice fighting things off.. then when the something big comes around... it wont be up to the task.

I never ever ever use purell or any of that garbage. I put my kids straight in the shopping cart and never use the clorox wipes to clean off the handle. And I don't worry about kids with a cough or runny nose. Build a strong immune system.. don't build yourself a bubble.
What i meant by that is if they declare a pandemic and mass vaccination, reports of fatalities and it does come back and spread again... stay away from sick people....

We are always around people and i don't use anitbacterial stuff... you are misinterpreting what i meant... and yea i do worry about kids who are obviously sick... my goal in life is not to be sick on purpose... that is one reason i do not vaccinate... i don't think you understood what i meant... and if this H1NIvirus comes around and it has mutated to a more virulent and deadly form i am not going to go out and send my kid to play with sick people... especially if the chances are it's swine flu... and i am far from living in a bubble..
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Yulia_R View Post
Maybe I didn't explain mysekf well. I do NOT mind the flu, I DO mind the vaccine though.

Even if they don't let you on a plain without the shot, it will still probably possible to drive to Canada or Mexico without one and fly from there. At least I'd imagine that.
If you have the flu or you have signs of being sick... you will probably not be allowed to board a plane or let into another country.... If they impose a quarantine and you are caught out on the street they will probably make you take the shot... that is all i am saying ... i will try and be a bit more clear... i've already had the flu... everyone in my house has... but when and if they declare a public emergency and start w/thier mass vaccinations you shouldn't be too obvious ... if you travel you may at some point be scanned for body temperature

i've had many runny noses run through my house but this is a very different scenario... you are not 'getting what i am trying to explain'... i fear no allergies or colds... but you don't want to play around when authorities are looking for sick people
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
runny nose and coughing are signs of allergies and the common cold. You are going to turn everyone away from your door? I don't understand this logic.

Your immune system needs to come into contact with germs in order to build itself up. It's like working out. If you don't practice fighting things off.. then when the something big comes around... it wont be up to the task.

I never ever ever use purell or any of that garbage. I put my kids straight in the shopping cart and never use the clorox wipes to clean off the handle. And I don't worry about kids with a cough or runny nose. Build a strong immune system.. don't build yourself a bubble.
If this http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06...nos_Aires.html happens here and you want to travel... and you have exposed yourself... you most likely will find it hard to leave unless you hike throught the wilderness to get to canada .... and if someone catches you here or there you probably will get swabbed .... if your children look sick in any fashion they will test you for the flu....that is what i am saying... we don't hid from germs or live in bubbles... but if my neighbors get this shot and it does somehow wind up shedding... i would not risk getting sick ... i do not want to wind up held against my will in a containment center or a hospital... << hospitals are breeding grounds for disease and most likely can be spread in place like this...


btw... i never said i used clorox.... i dont' use chemicals.. i wouldn't ever have a clorox wipe anywhere near me.. .there isn't a chemical cleaner or anything chemical of personal use anywhere in my house
post #12 of 24
I honestly can't understand why anyone would have a problem with that logic... the whole point is to stay away from authorities who have it in thier head to vaccinate people without consent... you will have no recourse if your out there purposely exposing yourself or you are obviously sick... it's most likely going to get worse... if you are not scared of it .. .than do that... but if you have any thoughts of leaving or moving around and you are seen by authorities... or there is mass hysteria.. someone will either report you or you could be stopped... i would not be surprised if they started scanning body temp before boarding a plane or train or boat... i want to be healthy enough so i can get on and off a plane...

That's a big IF, they haven't done it yet... but i'd rather be safe than sorry and stuck somewhere. All the legislation is there to do it.. i'd rather play my cards right...then we'll see who they let on the plane or where ever... me or you... if your sick your going NOWHERE... stay home and take thier medicine because you wont' have many other options
post #13 of 24
I traveled internationally during the peak media frenzy and we are going again soon as well. We were not screened here but we received information at our destination (basically a form you signed claiming you weren't sick).

Upon re-entry into the USA, however, we were screened for temperature.

From my experiences and the experiences of others I have spoken with, I think leaving won't be too big of an issue if you are not headed to a nation with more draconian measures than us. If you try to come back, however, you may run into issues. (thinking hypothetically here)
post #14 of 24
Also, I would add that not all airports have the ability to scan for things like temperature. If trying to escape such measures, you would be better of flying to 'poorer' airports.
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post #16 of 24
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I traveled internationally during the peak media frenzy and we are going again soon as well. We were not screened here but we received information at our destination (basically a form you signed claiming you weren't sick).

Upon re-entry into the USA, however, we were screened for temperature.

Interesting. We went to Dominican Republic in the beginning of June and were never asked to sign any forms and were not screened for temperature.
post #17 of 24
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Also, I would add that not all airports have the ability to scan for things like temperature. If trying to escape such measures, you would be better of flying to 'poorer' airports.
good point.
post #18 of 24
I have been riding an up and down mild panic lately around quarantines, total global collapse, and economic devastation. So this weekend, I took a break from reading and just played with my daughter and got back to a sense of normalcy. But as I went shopping and ran errands, I did not see a single sign that shelves are becoming empty, or that people are really slowing down on buying things. I know it's true for big ticket items, but Target was full of people and so were a couple of other stores I visited.

I live in California and we are on the brink of a governmental collapse. Every day you hear of a state running into the red with cut backs, layoffs and furloughs. So as I revisited my doomsday scenario in my mind, I just do not see where any state is going to come up with the money to enforce mandatory vaccination. I do not even see that there is sufficient local police force to do anything either as police are also being laid off and cut back. So that leaves the National Guard and the military. And we know how stretched they are with Iraq and Afghanistan.

So while I am quietly building my first aid kits, purchased a book called Just in Case to help me figure out how to build enough supplies to last for a while, I just don't see in these economic times how cities have the resources to enforce anything. If other states are anything like us, clinics are being shut or seriously shut down. People don't have health insurance. It would basically be a monumental task for THEM to do this.

But I would say this if something did start to happen... I would not try to leave the country. This country is HUGE. There are so many pockets of places you could disappear into. If you want to have a plan, try to find some place you could rent that is in the country in a seriously cash strapped area. In an area with few resources, there would unlikely be personnel to track you down. Even if it's some kind of retreat place or funky cabin. Live in it off the grid so you cannot be tracked... do not activate any utilities or anything and you would probably be fine.

I just would never expose my self to airport authority OR airline authority if the climate was about forced vaccination. I could dig up the website, but when I had a few awful experiences flying with my daughter last April, I found a forum where you could post your complaints about airlines. The stories I read there of outright abuse on the part of airline attendants and ground crew is chilling. They have incredible power since 911 and in some cases, it seems if you just look at them wrong they can kick you off planes and leave you stranded. The problem I had did not led to that, but I FELT the intensity with this particular woman and I sensed that I should be very careful. Now I know why after reading the forum. And I am a very seasoned traveler so I have lots of experience to compare it to. so..... off the grid is the best place for you to go, IMO.
post #19 of 24
I agree, anewmama. While the legislation may be in place to force vaccination, I don't see how they can realistically carry it out in such a large country.
post #20 of 24
I bet you could find a crunchy doc to falsify vax records... that would be easier than trekking into Canada IMO.
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