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post #1 of 71
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I believe I may be diabetic due to many symptoms. I have gained weight around the middle and I am currently about 30 pounds overweight. I get really shaky and light headed if I eat just oatmeal for breakfast. One day I got so sick after eating only scrambled eggs for breakfast. I have to pee a lot, esp after having a cup of coffee with honey and cream...literally I will need to pee every 10 minutes for a couple of hours. I simply can handle very little sugar, even though I don't consume as much as the average person.

So, I am going to cut way down on grain and starches and consume very little sugar. I usually eat eggs for one meal during the day, but my problem is what do I eat with them? If I eat a meat with them, then I feel really hungry a couple of hours later. If I eat a grain and meat, then I feel satisfied much longer and I do use a ton of fat. What do I eat for breakfast now? I usually have a smoothie or oatmeal. But I think my raw milk smoothies are too high in sugar because of lactose from the milk and usually I put a banana. I do have coffee with a teaspoon of honey and some cream. But I plan to eliminate that by tapering off. I am just at a loss of how to stay satisfied without the grain or potatoes. I don't feel like my meal is complete without one or the other. BTW I am still nursing too, so I really need about 4 meals a day with 1-2 snacks. It will break the bank if I start buying more grass fed meat, because I already eat it 1-2 times per day. Are beans good for diabetes? Is something like quinoa and buckwheat good too or are they too high in carbs? I would like to lose some weight too. I want to get preggo soon and don't want to have the complications of diabetes. I plan to try to get pregnant in 3 months.

Thanks for any suggestions!
post #2 of 71
first of all, you must MUST go and see a doctor. Diabetes is life threatening, and not something to be self dx.

My dh is type one diabetic, and wasn`t dx till the age of 27. He nearly died, kidneys failed, eyesight failed, the whole shebang. It was not a good scene.

As far as your diet, your life is about to become very low carb. You can eat complex carbs in moderation, but should completely avoid simple carbs, which I`m assuming you do because your on the tf board!

Legumes and lentils are a great choice for protein to stretch your budget!

The cream in your coffee is fine, the honey isn`t great for you, but moderation right?

Please update when you know what is going on.
post #3 of 71
http://www.diabetes-book.com/ This is one of the books that got me started looking into traditional foods.

I really believe the info in this book. My family has seen great results. He backs up all of his suggestions w/ scientific references and has recipes and specific lists of what you can eat. Beans, nuts, grains, potatoes, fruit, milk, and starchy veggies (onions, tomatoes, carrots) are all off limits. Eggs, meat, cheese, cream, and low-carb veggies are okay. The book explains why your blood sugar can crash even when you eat the "right" low-carb foods. The book has great info about blood testing, what the tests mean, what to ask for, etc. It also describes how to make sure that your home finger-stick monitor is working (call their office to find out which brand they currently recommend as the most accurate).

They suggest calling their office to discuss pregnancy and diabetes. They don't cover that in the book. Good luck!

ETA: He also describes why artificial sweeteners are not good for blood sugar control, but that if you are truly diabetic, you really can't have any sugars. I think he says that stevia is okay. He also describes how to use urine test strips to get a rough gauge of what foods are too carby (e.g., gravy on a meat dish when you are eating out). I've wondered if his method could be used to make sure that fermented salsa is low-carb enough. Even though tomatoes have too much sugar, perhaps my diabetic family members could eat fermented salsa. We haven't experimented yet, but we are planning to try.
post #4 of 71
imo, if you really think you may be pre diabetic, I would eat only meat, eggs and veggies for a while, however boring that may be. I would then see what changes happen and slowly add these grains if necessary...quinoa, brown rice, and buckwheat. All 3 are low glycemic. I've heard that yams are low glycemic but you should double check that. I would do NO sugar at all. Pre diabetic or not, sugar is bad. I know honey isn't good for diabetics so I'd use agave until you feel better. I know agave has more fructose and honey is technically healthier but in your condition, temporary use of agave wouldn't be bad, imo, since is low glycemic. Your taste buds are accustomed to what you are eating right now but taste buds can easily be changed. Eating small, frequent snacks might help instead of larger meals. I've been weaning myself off grains because they make me feel sluggish. Right now I eat them about twice a week.
post #5 of 71
go to see an MD. it's really simple bloodtests they do to dx diabetes. they'll most likely do a fasting blood sugar and maybe a hemoglobin a1c to see how your bs has been for the past 3 months. not a big deal and not expensive if its just the fasting bs test and you have no insurance. your symptoms could be diabetes, or not, but why self-dx?
post #6 of 71
Dh is type 1, so I have a fair amount of knowledge here.
You are certainly displaying Type 2 symptoms.
You need to go and get yourself tested professionally, and get a meter, so you can track what is going on.
While you are waiting for your tests, order High Vitamin Cod Liver Oil ( www.drrons.com ) and start taking a double or triple dose every day.
You can get capsules if you want.
The reason for this, is it brings the bodies ability to heal properly, back into balance.
When you are diabetic, your liver does not function well. So real A and D will support you far more then you can imagine.
Diabetics are told that they will have great trouble with infections and healing, and will eventually likely lose limbs and eyesite.
All of this is true if you follow the mainstream way of eating.
You also need to lower your carb intake, and make sure its complex carbs.
Do not touch any kind of processed food again.
You also need to eat as much as a full cup of of real fats ( you should work your way up to that amount) per day.
The fats will assist in metabolizing any and all carbs and natural sugars that you ingest.
If at all possible, find a source for raw milk as well. And drink it whole.
Skim milk is just the sugar portion of the milk.

When you have your dr appointment, you are going to get a very long speel about eating low fat. Just nod, smile and say thank you.

DH no longer has any of the issue he used to deal with.
He has next to no problem with cuts or scratches. They heal as fast as mine do, or faster!
He also has halted the nerve damage that occurs.

Please feel free to ask me what a good menu looks like.
I have tons more info if you want it.
post #7 of 71
[QUOTE=Cristiaz;14012274] I know honey isn't good for diabetics so I'd use agave until you feel better. I know agave has more fructose and honey is technically healthier but in your condition, temporary use of agave wouldn't be bad, imo, since is low glycemic. QUOTE]

FYI!!!! Agave must be metabolized by the liver, and if you are diabetic, that is a recipe for disaster!!!
On top of that, it is processed in the same way high fructose corn syrup is.
Even the so called raw ones, are not even close to being raw.
Many of the brands have been tested, and found to contain very little actual agave as well.
They are filled out with hfcs.

Raw honey in controlled amounts is an excellent sweetner for a diabetic. It metabolizes slowly.
post #8 of 71
Thread Starter 
Thanks all for the info. I do eat a TF diet already, mostly including CLO, lots of butter, cocounut oil, liver, lots of eggs and meat and dairy. I just need to cut out grain & sugar and figure out how to stay satisfied without it. Cutting out onions will be hard. I had no idea they are starchy. I don't think going to the doc would help much and then would make it impossible for me to get good health insurance once I am tagged as pre diabetic or diabetic. I am buying a blood glucose monitor to see what happens. I am not going to take medicine when I know this is completely controllable with diet and exercise. So if anyone has anymore good ideas for books, I would appreciate it. Some foods I didn't know are high glycemic like some squash.

I am hungry right now and don't know what I can eat. I ate some plain yogurt, cheese, and brazil nuts. I guess the glucose monitor will help me figure this out.

I am eliminating sugar...I wish I like Stevia.
post #9 of 71
Thread Starter 
Ok, anybody know where to find a good low glycemic food chart? I tried pulling some up online, but it is ridiculous. I lists pound cake and apple juice as low glycemic foods.
post #10 of 71
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Originally Posted by TonyaW View Post
I usually eat eggs for one meal during the day, but my problem is what do I eat with them? If I eat a meat with them, then I feel really hungry a couple of hours later.
What about greens instead of grain? Poached eggs with spinach and hollandaise sounds really good
post #11 of 71
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Originally Posted by TonyaW View Post
Thanks all for the info. I do eat a TF diet already, mostly including CLO, lots of butter, cocounut oil, liver, lots of eggs and meat and dairy. I just need to cut out grain & sugar and figure out how to stay satisfied without it. Cutting out onions will be hard. I had no idea they are starchy. I don't think going to the doc would help much and then would make it impossible for me to get good health insurance once I am tagged as pre diabetic or diabetic. I am buying a blood glucose monitor to see what happens. I am not going to take medicine when I know this is completely controllable with diet and exercise. So if anyone has anymore good ideas for books, I would appreciate it. Some foods I didn't know are high glycemic like some squash.

I am hungry right now and don't know what I can eat. I ate some plain yogurt, cheese, and brazil nuts. I guess the glucose monitor will help me figure this out.

I am eliminating sugar...I wish I like Stevia.
I would not worry about cutting out onions and squash fully. As long as you are eating them as side dishes, and loading them with lots of butter you will be fine.
Sweet potatoes are better to eat, over white potatoes, but even those, when eaten in small amounts are just fine.

Lots of extra fats will also leave you feeling satisfied as well.

I myself am free of gluten containing grains. I eat only brown rice a few times per week.
The cravings only lasted about 2 weeks.
It can be done, and its not as bad as it can seem in the first few days.
You can do it.
post #12 of 71
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Originally Posted by weliveintheforest View Post
What about greens instead of grain? Poached eggs with spinach and hollandaise sounds really good
Yeah it does...maybe for breakfast. How do you make your hollandaise sauce?
post #13 of 71
I'll post more tomorrow when I'm not up waaaay past my bedtime. I'm subscribing so I remember. But I did want to say that I agree with PaulaJoAnne. Then again, we're coming from a similar place. My ds has Type 1.

One thing I'd like to add. Quitting gluten grains ASAP is, IMO, very important. If it takes you awhile to go off other grains, so be it, but stop the gluten now. It can cause Type 1, and from what I've read and seen in others of my family, it can cause Type 2 as well.

And a seemingly unrelated question for you. Do you have any teeth that could be giving you a problem? Any that have given you a problem recently, but you got it "fixed"? I'll explain tomorrow (OK, TBH, later today).
post #14 of 71
I also agree with PaulaJoAnne. Fats are important.

We eat a bit of potatoes, lots of onions and garlic, (always with butter or bacon fat) some rice, and pasta as a treat once in a blue moon.

I have even cut bread out of our lives with little to no pain!

My dh and I could not live without fruit though... but it doesn't spike his blood sugar levels like it used too, so maybe it's the fats like PaulaJoAnne said?

All I know is, since dh stopped eating SAD, and started eating a more TF diet (we're going to pick up some CLO today from the health food store ) he's gone from being one sick puppy who had to take a rediculous amount of insulin and still couldn't get his sugars under control, to having to take barely any insulin at all! : He still has to take some, but his diabetes is under control, and he feels great.
post #15 of 71
When I ready LIghts OUt, they talked about sleeping 9.5 hours a night, at the very least, and how important it is to go to sleep with the sun and sleep in pitch black in order to help our bodies' immune systems. They specifically mention diabetes and heart disease. Lack of sleep, and lack of sleep in the dark cause us to crave carbs and do other things to our hormones to cause diabetes and heart disease. I'm no expert, but I'm trying to do these things, but it doesn't always happen. I just wanted to throw it out to you, that maybe it's just about food and exercise and enough sleep.
post #16 of 71
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Originally Posted by ChristieB View Post
I'll post more tomorrow when I'm not up waaaay past my bedtime. I'm subscribing so I remember. But I did want to say that I agree with PaulaJoAnne. Then again, we're coming from a similar place. My ds has Type 1.

One thing I'd like to add. Quitting gluten grains ASAP is, IMO, very important. If it takes you awhile to go off other grains, so be it, but stop the gluten now. It can cause Type 1, and from what I've read and seen in others of my family, it can cause Type 2 as well.

And a seemingly unrelated question for you. Do you have any teeth that could be giving you a problem? Any that have given you a problem recently, but you got it "fixed"? I'll explain tomorrow (OK, TBH, later today).
Yeap, got a cavity now and one fixed.
post #17 of 71
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Originally Posted by TonyaW View Post
I am not going to take medicine when I know this is completely controllable with diet and exercise. So if anyone has anymore good ideas for books, I would appreciate it. Some foods I didn't know are high glycemic like some squash...
According to my brother's book, Diabetes Solution, squash is okay. He eats squashes as one of his major food groups. He uses cauliflower for potatoes. According to the book I liked to earlier, the glycemic index is flawed, but I don't remember why.

The book starts out very strict and helps you learn to monitor your blood sugar and find what you can handle. It's all about monitoring blood sugar frequently - the book will tell at what frequency and intervals to check. It has revolutionized my brother's life, but my brother really cannnot handle tomatoes or onions or potatoes or nuts or even a touch of honey. He's limited to about 20 carbs per day, which is obviously way less than the ADA recommends, and eats TF high-fat, which is again what the ADA says will raise his cholesterol and kill him. Following this plan, he is completely off of the drugs and is able to maintain controlled, normal blood sugars of under 100 and healthy cholesterol, something his endocrinologist says is impossible.

The author of the Diabetes Solution was an engineer w/ type 1 diabetes who realized that he was going to die as a young, sick man. His doctors wouldn't answer his questions adequately, so he went to med school to figure out how to heal himself. If my brother had just had this book at the beginning, he would have never needed to bother with ignorant and harmful endocrinologists.
post #18 of 71
[QUOTE=PaulaJoAnne;14012461]
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Originally Posted by Cristiaz View Post
I know honey isn't good for diabetics so I'd use agave until you feel better. I know agave has more fructose and honey is technically healthier but in your condition, temporary use of agave wouldn't be bad, imo, since is low glycemic. QUOTE]

FYI!!!! Agave must be metabolized by the liver, and if you are diabetic, that is a recipe for disaster!!!
On top of that, it is processed in the same way high fructose corn syrup is.
Even the so called raw ones, are not even close to being raw.
Many of the brands have been tested, and found to contain very little actual agave as well.
They are filled out with hfcs.

Raw honey in controlled amounts is an excellent sweetner for a diabetic. It metabolizes slowly.
Thanks for the info! Are saying that all agave syrups contain hfcs but the bottles don't label it as such? Do you have a link or something where I can read more? I don't use it but my husband does in his coffee. I've tried having him switch to honey (I have local honey) and he won't but if he reads the right info he will. Thanks!
post #19 of 71
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Originally Posted by TonyaW View Post
Thanks all for the info. I do eat a TF diet already, mostly including CLO, lots of butter, cocounut oil, liver, lots of eggs and meat and dairy. I just need to cut out grain & sugar and figure out how to stay satisfied without it. Cutting out onions will be hard. I had no idea they are starchy. I don't think going to the doc would help much and then would make it impossible for me to get good health insurance once I am tagged as pre diabetic or diabetic. I am buying a blood glucose monitor to see what happens. I am not going to take medicine when I know this is completely controllable with diet and exercise. So if anyone has anymore good ideas for books, I would appreciate it. Some foods I didn't know are high glycemic like some squash.

I am hungry right now and don't know what I can eat. I ate some plain yogurt, cheese, and brazil nuts. I guess the glucose monitor will help me figure this out.

I am eliminating sugar...I wish I like Stevia.
yuck, i hate stevia too!

do you know the parameters of normal fasting blood sugars? there is no point in monitoring your sugas without a bit of knowledge first, which is why, among other reasons id suggest seeing a hcp of some kind, if not a regular md maybe see a holistic md or naturopath. if you see a hcp privately like a nd they wont report any findings to your insurance company, at least the nds here wouldnt. for that matter my md, a family physician is very cool and open, if i explained i was concerned about being diabetic but didnt want that dx if i was hed figure something out. find a hcp you trust and get some general advice.
post #20 of 71
1) I agree with the OP, you definitely need to see a doctor. You don't want to wait until you lose a leg or something.

2) A good way to tell if you're headed for (or have) diabetes is to check your fasting glucose test. I have an Ascensia Breeze 2 blood glucose meter. You can buy them & glucose strips over the counter at a pharmacy. Usually companies will offer considerable rebates if you also purchase strips.

This will also tell you if, how and in what incriments raw honey (or any food) does/n't affect your blood sugar.

Honey has more calories (almost 2x as many), sugars and carbs than sugar. Though it's lower on the GI scale than sugar, it will still raise blood sugar - the idea of the GI scale is that lower numbers raise blood sugar slower than higher numbers, not necessarily less than, which is important if you do have diabetes.

Insulin is effected by any sugar & if you actually have diabetes, you want to avoid sugar in all forms until you get a handle on what and how different foods affect your glucose - for that you need a glucose meter.

To deterimine how your diet effects you blood sugar you'll want to test before you eat food & an hour after you eat it. For something controled like the effects of honey vs. sugar, I would test in the morning before eating, put 1 Tbsp granulated sugar in your coffee, eat nothing else & then test an hour later. The next morning test before eating, put 1 Tbsp of honey in your coffee, eat nothing else & then test an hour later.

That will definitely tell you how either sugar effects your glucose. It's a fun experiment!

Good luck!

ETA: here are the guildelines for fasting blood sugar: http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/DM/pub...linresistance/
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