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I found it really interesting that for pretty much most of my adult life I tended to be attracted towards more fine featured, smooth faced (no stubble or shadow), slender, less hairy men. My friends were all shocked when I married DH, who is...um...really extremely hairy, barrel chested, and gets a shadow within 2 hours or shaving. I did have visual and tactile preferences for a really long time, but DH's scent kind of overrode all of those for me (well, and of course his personality and character, but to be totally honest, our intial meeting it was not either of those things--I've never experienced such a world-and-time-stopping visceral attraction to someone ever before or since!). I have heard stories of people who suddenly fell in love and paired up with people who weren't their "type", I wonder if something similar happened?

So I do think society has input, but sometimes there are other things that can definitely override what even the person has decided is "attractive". For the longest time, I was attracted towards men who in stereotypical American society would not have been considered all that "manly". Maybe that was a reaction to culture as well, I don't know. I suppose rebelling against the cultural stereotype of attractiveness might be in a way still being under its power.
To take your post at a tangent, dh shaved his beard off last night. Yesterday, he and our son went and had their hair shaved off. They came back from the barber looking like Marine recruits. I've been expecting this for some time now, tbh, as it has been hot and humid here. But it was still a shock to wake up this morning to a baby face. But I'll get used to it and still look forward to cooler weather when he will start to grow it back.
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ANd I guess to follow up....I should be true to the original intent of the thread and give my .02 on the shaving issue.


Well I didn't shave a lot growing up, my mother didn't, especially her "lady region"....it just wasn't a big deal. We always dressed nicely, appeared well groomed...but shaving didn't feel like a part of that I guess. I didn't pluck my eyebrows until after I was 18 and went to get my nails done for a special occasion and someone there said "You should really do something about..you know..THIS" and motioned over their eyebrow region, making a face like "seriously, I don't even know what to CALL what you have going on there" - I felt very sexy and groomed after having them waxed and that is the one hair removal that I do SOMEWHAT keep up with, that and my armpits...though, that is reaaaaally, over the last few years, starting to slip.

I just don't care...I never really have. I always looked at the girls in high school who had those perfectly smooth, shiny legs and thought "Jesus, that looks like a LOT of work" and sort of resigned myself to the fact that I would just never BE like that....couldn't do it, didn't have the skill or whatever....and decided not to try!

I used to try and keep up more with my legs and pubic hair, just trimming and keeping neat...but the legs, well...I don't know, I just feel like my hair is fine enough that as long as my legs are lotioned, maybe no body can tell? I don't knoww, maybe they can....but I kind of like my silky hairs...when the wind blows I can feel it on my legs better and I guess I think that's kind of cool.

Now, my vulva...that's a different story. I was always crummy at keeping it trim...again, just REALLY don't care enoughto be anal about it...but would try and make it "cute", you know, what with being generation "shaved and designed like a porn star" and all.....I guess I felt some duty to pretend to care. But then I got pregnant with DD.

During my pregnancy...I felt my power growing. I couldn't even begin to fully understand or explain what that even MEANS....but it was like, my Vagina Awesomeness Sequence was triggered...as I counted down to the day I would finally meet my first child...somewhere inside, another kind of countdown was taking place...a countdown to the day I would realize my true power as a woman, the day my vagina would reveal to me, what it really is, show me her "stuff" so to speak. I stopped trimming at all during this time and couldn't exactly pinpoint why...it just felt incredibly disrespectful to me...she was like a beast in waiting,I felt that for privacey sake, I needed to grow a coat, not to shield her from view, so much as provide some privacey, for the "big day". I liked how long it got and though my husbands eyes grew wide at catching a glimse of her in full day light...and he would occasionally make comments...it kind of thrilled me that he was so amazed...my vagina really started to look like something else, I'll tell ya! It was almost like it began to LOOK to him, as powerful as I felt it was becoming!

Then I gave birth...and I became like some sort of sorceress! The day I birthed my baby, I realized my POWER! I came into my true, femenine magic. That day completely changed me, the way Isaw myself and my relationships with my vagina, FOREVER. My vagina just knocked my socks off! Suddenly this issue of shaving didn't even seem like it was UP to me....my vagina became this very, very powerful force...almost too powerful to really belong to me. I birthed my baby, and it was like my vagina had become some portal to the universe...this being came OUT of me, through this place I had always had, but never had a true sense of!!

SO....I don't like to shave my lady parts now. They are sacred and I think, it's not so much a patch of hair for me now...it's more like a wizards cloak. To trim her...maybe, maybe at some point, if she gets REALLY unruly....I went a little crazy when my DD was a coupe of months old and I cut off my head hair and a lot of my vulva hair...that was no good. I felt a bit sick at it. I mean, it's like chopping off the cloak of a mighty wizard!! Imagine, a mighty, all powerful wizard...running through life all naked and scraggly looking!! No, no...I don't want to cut it again. It's long and silky and wild looking and it seems fitting....because I feel like a REAL woman now...like magic and femenine mystery...it's not mysterious if you can SEE it, you know?


As for my darling daughter....she will see my crazy body hair, like I saw my mothers. I'm not sure what she'll do. Maybe, like I did, she'll apply some effort to trying to fit the more social norm of semi-hairlessnes. But then, she'll be unlike me in many ways...raised in the woods, probably not attending public school, etc...and maybe she will never venture into that world. But I know for me, it took a realization of my true femenine self, a realization that for me, my power lies in a different place than I thought...not in my ability to maintain my physical self to an ouside stndard....but in recognizing my TRUE physical self and jus letting it be....I can SHOW her th before she is meant to see it...I can't TEACH her that, before she can know it..so, I'll support her in all phases of her femenine self....whatever that means, however it manifests....and, as in most things, hope that she can know her true self one day. I want her to be, who it is she should be....I want her to feel powerful.

I know that in a lot of ways, the power I felt in my younger days, I had to seek out power from external sources. I felt powerful, in a pair of sharp, tall high heels...strutting in my knee length pencil skirt, feeling retro and cool, with it's high waste and my buttoned up blouse. I felt powerful in my femenine self, then, when my face was glowing and looked scrubbed, with perfect makeup...sexy lips and a push up bra. My power came from those sources. Now...it's different. Now, I look at myself naked in the mirror...and I see lines like lightening, zig zagging across my belly...large, slightly flappy breasts from feeding....long wild hair falling to where I'm certain my nipples used to be....I think I'll need to grow it another few inches to get them to where they are now!! And, my crazy vagina cloak....and I'm certain, taking this all in, my raw femenine power...which now comes from deep within me, that the only reason I wear clothes, is because anyone who would lay eyes on this powerful body and vagina of mine...might faint and die, it is very overwhelming to behold!!!

~~~~~***********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Now....so far as my sexual relationship with DH and hair is concerned....my husband is a very very delightfully hairy man. He has a PERFECT amount of hair. On his chest, mmm, and on his face. He has been growing a bit more facial hair these last few years, keeping a bit of a beard going and it's very appealing to me, though I've never been attracted to facial hair in the past. Any scratching or roughness it might bring during, ahem, "grown-up" interactions...well, it adds to the effect, so far as I'm concerned!

This post not editted for spelling, etc..sorry.
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Nobody is saying shaving is responsible for all the ills of the world - that is silly and insulting to those of us who choose not to shave and who have expressed the issues we have with it. Nor does not shaving erase sexuality, in fact I would say that it is shaving that would erase sexuality, since body hair is an adult, sexual characteristic.

It doesn't have to be SUCH a big deal. I don't think any of us who choose not to shave are hating on those who do. We simply choose not to do it, for the reasons stated. And I personally plan to let my child know my opinion when she asks, and if she wants to shave, that is totally fine with me. I hardly think I have the market cornered on the right thing to do, and in fact I'm sure her generation will look at ours as limited re: gender performance, as we look to the generation before us as limited.
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AverysMomma, yours are the only epic-length posts I read. You've got some serious passion, woman!
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AverysMomma, yours are the only epic-length posts I read. You've got some serious passion, woman!
Thanks...I reaaaally love my vagina.

Sorry for the length, concise is not a word anyone of sound mind would apply to my thoughts/writings. It's plagued me all my life.
post #346 of 416
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Thanks...I reaaaally love my vagina.
I hadn't gotten that vibe at all!

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Sorry for the length, concise is not a word anyone of sound mind would apply to my thoughts/writings. It's plagued me all my life.
: You crack me up!
post #347 of 416
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Originally Posted by CatsCradle View Post
My response to all this is: so what!

People have tattooed, pierced, painted, altered their bodies throughout history. From prehistoric times to present day. People in Africa celebrate body art and alterations because it is a recognition of fertility and sexuality. Why is this wrong? Why do we encourage asexuality? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of shaving is something propagated by T.V.? TV is a recent thing and suddenly it's responsible for all things anti-women? It is a commercial medium and it reaches a lot of people...but it is hardly the "reason." It is a medium by which society's standards are transmitted. Don't blame T.V....blame the society.

I'm a feminist and if I want to alter my body for reasons specific to my own ideals...then I'm going to do it...and I encourage DD to the same. I shave and no man has domination over me. I pierce my ears and I paint my nails. Am I doing it for a man? NOT! I do it because I love art and I think that each woman is an art unto herself. I do it because it makes me feel good about myself. So what if it happens to please men? Does that cancel its significance? If a man doesn't like what I do...then bollucks on him. I'll do what I want to do...even if I get criticized from women for "trying to please the man." I'm tired of trying to live up to everyone's standards...including the women who say I shouldn't pander to men. What do you know? You don't know anything about my intentions or DD's intentions.

People are afraid of females like Frida Kahlo because she wasn't afraid to express herself through her own body. I'm not going to be "grossed out" if DD decides to express herself through traditional or avant garde ways. I'm not going to set standards based on what I think is right. My standards could always be limiting.




Amen sister... I couldn't have said it any better. I shave... my legs, my pits and ALL of my pubic hair. I do it because I want to not for a man. I have been single for almost a year and I still shave just as often. I personally fell gross if I have alot of body hair.. especially down there. However I don't think another woman is crazy or gross for not shaving. To each his own ya know. I don't have a daughter but if I did, I would let it be her decision whether she wanted to shave or not. I wouldn't tell her it's gross either way or that women shave for men or any of the other things I have heard. Good Lord people can even make shaving stereotypica lol... big surprise huh? I think the best thing to do for those that have daughters would be to give a variety of reason for both sides but not use degrading words or opinions
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just call me dumbledore...

oops misquoted.
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just call me dumbledore...

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Originally Posted by AverysMomma View Post
ANd I guess to follow up....I should be true to the original intent of the thread and give my .02 on the shaving issue.


Well I didn't shave a lot growing up, my mother didn't, especially her "lady region"....it just wasn't a big deal. We always dressed nicely, appeared well groomed...but shaving didn't feel like a part of that I guess. I didn't pluck my eyebrows until after I was 18 and went to get my nails done for a special occasion and someone there said "You should really do something about..you know..THIS" and motioned over their eyebrow region, making a face like "seriously, I don't even know what to CALL what you have going on there" - I felt very sexy and groomed after having them waxed and that is the one hair removal that I do SOMEWHAT keep up with, that and my armpits...though, that is reaaaaally, over the last few years, starting to slip.

I just don't care...I never really have. I always looked at the girls in high school who had those perfectly smooth, shiny legs and thought "Jesus, that looks like a LOT of work" and sort of resigned myself to the fact that I would just never BE like that....couldn't do it, didn't have the skill or whatever....and decided not to try!

I used to try and keep up more with my legs and pubic hair, just trimming and keeping neat...but the legs, well...I don't know, I just feel like my hair is fine enough that as long as my legs are lotioned, maybe no body can tell? I don't knoww, maybe they can....but I kind of like my silky hairs...when the wind blows I can feel it on my legs better and I guess I think that's kind of cool.

Now, my vulva...that's a different story. I was always crummy at keeping it trim...again, just REALLY don't care enoughto be anal about it...but would try and make it "cute", you know, what with being generation "shaved and designed like a porn star" and all.....I guess I felt some duty to pretend to care. But then I got pregnant with DD.

During my pregnancy...I felt my power growing. I couldn't even begin to fully understand or explain what that even MEANS....but it was like, my Vagina Awesomeness Sequence was triggered...as I counted down to the day I would finally meet my first child...somewhere inside, another kind of countdown was taking place...a countdown to the day I would realize my true power as a woman, the day my vagina would reveal to me, what it really is, show me her "stuff" so to speak. I stopped trimming at all during this time and couldn't exactly pinpoint why...it just felt incredibly disrespectful to me...she was like a beast in waiting,I felt that for privacey sake, I needed to grow a coat, not to shield her from view, so much as provide some privacey, for the "big day". I liked how long it got and though my husbands eyes grew wide at catching a glimse of her in full day light...and he would occasionally make comments...it kind of thrilled me that he was so amazed...my vagina really started to look like something else, I'll tell ya! It was almost like it began to LOOK to him, as powerful as I felt it was becoming!

Then I gave birth...and I became like some sort of sorceress! The day I birthed my baby, I realized my POWER! I came into my true, femenine magic. That day completely changed me, the way Isaw myself and my relationships with my vagina, FOREVER. My vagina just knocked my socks off! Suddenly this issue of shaving didn't even seem like it was UP to me....my vagina became this very, very powerful force...almost too powerful to really belong to me. I birthed my baby, and it was like my vagina had become some portal to the universe...this being came OUT of me, through this place I had always had, but never had a true sense of!!

SO....I don't like to shave my lady parts now. They are sacred and I think, it's not so much a patch of hair for me now...it's more like a wizards cloak. To trim her...maybe, maybe at some point, if she gets REALLY unruly....I went a little crazy when my DD was a coupe of months old and I cut off my head hair and a lot of my vulva hair...that was no good. I felt a bit sick at it. I mean, it's like chopping off the cloak of a mighty wizard!! Imagine, a mighty, all powerful wizard...running through life all naked and scraggly looking!! No, no...I don't want to cut it again. It's long and silky and wild looking and it seems fitting....because I feel like a REAL woman now...like magic and femenine mystery...it's not mysterious if you can SEE it, you know?


As for my darling daughter....she will see my crazy body hair, like I saw my mothers. I'm not sure what she'll do. Maybe, like I did, she'll apply some effort to trying to fit the more social norm of semi-hairlessnes. But then, she'll be unlike me in many ways...raised in the woods, probably not attending public school, etc...and maybe she will never venture into that world. But I know for me, it took a realization of my true femenine self, a realization that for me, my power lies in a different place than I thought...not in my ability to maintain my physical self to an ouside stndard....but in recognizing my TRUE physical self and jus letting it be....I can SHOW her th before she is meant to see it...I can't TEACH her that, before she can know it..so, I'll support her in all phases of her femenine self....whatever that means, however it manifests....and, as in most things, hope that she can know her true self one day. I want her to be, who it is she should be....I want her to feel powerful.

I know that in a lot of ways, the power I felt in my younger days, I had to seek out power from external sources. I felt powerful, in a pair of sharp, tall high heels...strutting in my knee length pencil skirt, feeling retro and cool, with it's high waste and my buttoned up blouse. I felt powerful in my femenine self, then, when my face was glowing and looked scrubbed, with perfect makeup...sexy lips and a push up bra. My power came from those sources. Now...it's different. Now, I look at myself naked in the mirror...and I see lines like lightening, zig zagging across my belly...large, slightly flappy breasts from feeding....long wild hair falling to where I'm certain my nipples used to be....I think I'll need to grow it another few inches to get them to where they are now!! And, my crazy vagina cloak....and I'm certain, taking this all in, my raw femenine power...which now comes from deep within me, that the only reason I wear clothes, is because anyone who would lay eyes on this powerful body and vagina of mine...might faint and die, it is very overwhelming to behold!!!

~~~~~***********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

seriously awesome... they need to add that to the vagina monologues.

I personally go in phases with shaving, but will have to let my daughter work through it herself like I do. : / there are bigger fish to fry, I think.
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AverysMomma, yours are the only epic-length posts I read. You've got some serious passion, woman!
i know, i think she is great! i always read her posts and wish we were friends.

i have been thinking about this thread for a couple of days - and as far as my dd shaving in the future - i hope that her sense of self, her sense of being a woman, her identity, and her capacity to live beyond societal expectations will NOT be defined or summed up in the act of shaving. you know? i hope that she will be so much more of a person than to have shaving be the sign or indicator of her strength, or susceptibility to succumb to traditional gender roles, etc.

if she does it, even if she does it for "lame" society driven reasons...oh well. i anticipate that she will also have a sense of individuality that is far greater than the act of shaving to be "normal"

does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by AverysMomma View Post
Now, my vulva...that's a different story. I was always crummy at keeping it trim...again, just REALLY don't care enoughto be anal about it...but would try and make it "cute", you know, what with being generation "shaved and designed like a porn star" and all.....I guess I felt some duty to pretend to care. But then I got pregnant with DD.

During my pregnancy...I felt my power growing. I couldn't even begin to fully understand or explain what that even MEANS....but it was like, my Vagina Awesomeness Sequence was triggered...as I counted down to the day I would finally meet my first child...somewhere inside, another kind of countdown was taking place...a countdown to the day I would realize my true power as a woman, the day my vagina would reveal to me, what it really is, show me her "stuff" so to speak. I stopped trimming at all during this time and couldn't exactly pinpoint why...it just felt incredibly disrespectful to me...she was like a beast in waiting,I felt that for privacey sake, I needed to grow a coat, not to shield her from view, so much as provide some privacey, for the "big day". I liked how long it got and though my husbands eyes grew wide at catching a glimse of her in full day light...and he would occasionally make comments...it kind of thrilled me that he was so amazed...my vagina really started to look like something else, I'll tell ya! It was almost like it began to LOOK to him, as powerful as I felt it was becoming!

Then I gave birth...and I became like some sort of sorceress! The day I birthed my baby, I realized my POWER! I came into my true, femenine magic. That day completely changed me, the way Isaw myself and my relationships with my vagina, FOREVER. My vagina just knocked my socks off! Suddenly this issue of shaving didn't even seem like it was UP to me....my vagina became this very, very powerful force...almost too powerful to really belong to me. I birthed my baby, and it was like my vagina had become some portal to the universe...this being came OUT of me, through this place I had always had, but never had a true sense of!!.

This is SO interesting to me because it most closely describes how I felt after being pregnant and experiencing the whole-ly woman-ness I have come into since birthing my daughter with no help from anyone else.
I agree with almost everything you said and would even love to have a spin-off if Avery'smomma would start it, something to chat about that change and that whole-ly woman-y experience and how it has changed how we look a our bodies.....ar eyou up for it AM?
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This is SO interesting to me because it most closely describes how I felt after being pregnant and experiencing the whole-ly woman-ness I have come into since birthing my daughter with no help from anyone else.
I agree with almost everything you said and would even love to have a spin-off if Avery'smomma would start it, something to chat about that change and that whole-ly woman-y experience and how it has changed how we look a our bodies.....ar eyou up for it AM?
Yeah definitely....I will start it up and let's see what happens.
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I have to say I have found this thread to be a big self-esteem booster. Clumps are normal - who knew!?!? I thought there was something excessive about my discharges but I see now that it is normal - yay!!! It's like MDC is the big sister I never had . Thank you all!!!

It's funny, I too am quite enamored of my vulva / vagina and I like to be able to see her instead of having her hidden behind hair. She's so pretty!
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In regard to shaving........

Hi everybody---I am brand new here, and I am not even a mother (although I live with my 80 year-old mother who can sometimes rival a child....), but I have been reading posts for a few months now, and I like to read and look at people's websites and blogs for recipes and gardening tips, etc. I know it sounds kind of weird, but mothers really are the best source of domestic stuff like that!! And I love looking at everybody's pictures of their families and houses and gardens, and I love it when I find some good recipes for things!!! So, thanks for that!! I'll continue to read and look at pictures and stuff....

BUT--I had to join to take part in the "shaving" discussion......because I was honestly outright LAUGHING reading some of the posts!! Too funny.....And here's my two cents (which isn't worth much).....

I started sahving when I was young, because I got my period when I was 9, I think, and of course, I started getting hair which I was VERY self-conscious about. It started with my arm pits and gradually moved down to my legs----I remember "stealing" those Flicker razors from the bathroom of my friend's mother, and we'd go in the woods in the back of her house to dry shave our legs....LMAO!!

I shave because I feel cleaner when I do. I have blonde hair, and it is very fine, so it probably wouldn't matter if I didn't---you can't really see it anyway. I just like the feel of SKIN----and when I am touched, my skin is so much more sensitive to touch without the hair there (not that anyone touches my armpits....LOL) I don't really sweat that much, but I do wear deoderant because I just have this fear that one day I will smell like a barn in the wrong environment......in the summer, I get a little "hotter" than usual, so I smell a little "gamier" than when it isn't so hot out----but then again, I do A LOT of stuff outside like gardening, cutting hedges and bushes, running, biking, boating, etc., and I do sweat while doing that. But, I never really have a "Oh God, you smell like a locker room" kind of smell. I have noticed that if I don't wear deoderant, though, I can smell a little "gamey".......and I offend myself!! But that is when I lift my arm up and sniff my own armpits---I don't think anyone would be able to smell it unless their nose was into my pit. I pluck stray eyebrow hairs, but I don't even have enough hair to justify getting them waxed.....however, I have noted 2 crazy hairs growing out of my face recently-----one out of my forehead and one out of my right cheek. Very strange. I promptly yanked those buggers out.........LOL.

As far as my "privates" go, the same holds true for there, too. I just FEEL cleaner without hair there. Plus, it doesn't stick out of the bottom of my bathing suit!!

Some people like to feel hair, some people like to feel skin. I happen to love a hairy chest, hairy legs and arms on a man---and I like goatees too!! But I like to feel a man's hair on my skin. I just prefer not to have a goatee myself!! Thank God I don't have to pull out whiskers quite yet like my mother does.........

If I had a daughter, I would leave the choice up to her. I don't think that women shaving is something that has been endorsed by men to infantalize women or make them submissive or anything---no matter whether you don't have a single hair on your person or if you are a bear, you are who you are. Men liking big boobs or small boobs happens to be a personal preference---just like some people are hippie-types, some people are metro-types, some are in-between. Doesn't make us bad, doesn't make us good. It makes us US. I honestly couldn't care less if my friends shaved or if they didn't----but, I don't think that I would tell my daughter that shaving has been "forced" upon women by men. People used to be covered with hair when they were cavemen---over time, most of the hair has fallen off, because we no longer need hair for warmth because we wear clothing. I don't see how my armpit hair or pubic hair would keep me warm in the winter months.......:

I will have to say, though, that as far as "odors", body odor is something that my nose is extremely sensitive to, and that I find offensive. I am not saying that you have to go around smelling like a fruit salad, but a good shower with soap never hurt anybody. You don't have to powerwash or scrub yourself with a wire brush.....but get the odor-causing bacteria off your body!! That is what is causing the odor---it is bacteria from sweating and the sloughing of skin. Bacteria LOVE to live in a warm, moist environment---they thrive there. If you were just planting in the dirt, I am sure you wouldn't go prepare dinner without washing your hands first, right? Same idea as far as showering goes.

Just like our preferences, men have their preferences as well, so it is hard to go along with the "men are the cause of why women shave" theory. Some guys like short women, some like tall women. Some like blonde hair, some like red hair. Some like big boobs, some like small boobs. Some like their women "natural", some like their women "groomed". Not ALL men like the same things, and I don't feel like less of a woman or "submissive" to men because I like to look like a woman who wears makeup, who shaves and wears perfume---I feel that I am being a strong woman for wearing what I want and being who I am. Some women like to be girly-girls, some like to be sporty, some like the more natural approach. I think what we all "like" is to be happy and healthy. I do not pass judgment on anybody---the fact that we are all different makes the world a very enjoyable place to explore!! I hate to think that women are categorized by whether they shave or not, and I don't think that I have to look a certain way to be a feminist. I am a strong woman not because of my pubic hair or how I smell----I am a strong woman because I hold my head high, have an excellent education and am successful, have lots of hobbies that I enjoy, a great family---and I do think that women don't get the credit they deserve. However, it seems that once a woman has a child, their husband sees them in a new light and I think that is awesome.

And---to AverysMom---your post was the best!! However---I am pretty impressed with my vag too, and I never gave birth! A guy once told me that my "parts" were "organized", like a roast beef sandwich....LOL!! I always thought that was funny.

WOW--What a long post for the very first one...........I just wanted to participate. Thanks.
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that has got to be some kind of record for longest first post!
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I like shaving. It is part of a grooming ritual that I enjoy. I also shave-ahem-different parts of my body for my husband. And he is decidely not interested in little girls.

I find these kinds of statements to do a lot of harm because pedophilia is a very real illness and relatively few people suffer from it. To suggest that men in general like women who shave because it makes us look like little girls just doesn't seem supported by basic evidence out there about pedophilia.

Most adult men and women-whether straight or gay (how many of us have seen gay people lumped in with sexual deviants?)-have within normal range sexual preferences and desire adult members. True pedophiles aren't interested in grown women-even shaved bare. To suggest otherwise is simply not true.

We can argue all day about the pervasive influence of mass media culture on body image and cleanliness. But lets stop equating shaving with deviant sexual behavior.
Um, Yeah.

Some of the attitudes in this thread make me sick. I guess my husband is a pedophile because he enjoys it when I get a brazillian

It is really hurtful, as a survivor of abuse at the hands of a pedophile, to see people be so flippant about it.

I find many of the statements in this thread to be down putting to women who DO shave or remove body hair. There seems to be an implication that women who shave are brainwashed by media and insecure with their bodies, or not as in touch with them.

If you like being hairy, great, more power to you! But I dont really think there is a right or wrong choice when it comes to body hair removal. I DO wish that there wasn't so much peer pressure to shave. I didn't really feel like I had a choice when I was in Middle School.
If I ever have a daughter I will educate her and hopefully she wont feel as pressured as I did.
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I grabbed a razor when I was about 11 or so b'c the hair on my legs would rub on the inside of my pants & bother me. No one got upset with me, but my mom did start buying more razors & began hiding hers! Thats the reason I still shave daily. Maybe I just have sensitive skin??

I'm guessing that my kids will shave when they want to, or never if they don't want to.
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I understand pubic waxing/shaving way more than I understand leg waxing/shaving.

18 *pages* of thread and NO ONE has gotten a pube stuck in their teeth? Really?! I'm pretty sparse so as long as I do a gentle hand-pull before "go time" everything is okay...but if I forget...my poor DH is up sputtering and picking at least a couple times and that really throws off my mojo.

I mean, there is a physical REFLEX when you get hair in your mouth. It's not a personal preference...it's hair...in the mouth...

That being said, I don't make DH shave, even though I might be thrilled if that happened because he's not going to think, "Oh hey I'm about to get some, better make sure I don't have any strays that aren't attached!" He's thinking "Oh hey I'm about to get some...(all else is lost LOL)" So sex time can occasionally be gag-reflex-of-doom time if there's a little hair that's just dying to be in my throat because it's not content to stay where it belongs.

Back to the upper hemisphere...I forget to shave my underarms until they start to itch and annoy me. Then I shave. It probably happens about once a month. My legs? You wouldn't know I haven't shaved since 6th grade - you just can't see the hair - so I feel like having an opinion is kind of like looking down from a place where you get the best of both worlds and making a judgment - kinda uncool, really.

My daughters might get my hairless legs or they might get the mane of leg hair that is DH's - either way I want them to do what they feel is best for them. Pink hair? No problem! Hairy underarms? No problem! Pube shaving? Well...I might try to convince them to dye it green instead and put a temporary tattoo of a sheep on top and then just shave a winding little road into the pubic hair for humor value...but that's just how I parent LMAO!

My poor kids aren't going to know what to do with themselves. I have this scary feeling that when they rebel they are going to wear skirt-suits and french twists and use hairspray and *shudder* wear sensible black pumps. Because that's really what it's about - the fun of rebellion and what that will look like for those of us that aren't mainstream to begin with.

Reminds me of Family Ties and the Michael P. Keaton character.
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Pube shaving? Well...I might try to convince them to dye it green instead and put a temporary tattoo of a sheep on top and then just shave a winding little road into the pubic hair for humor value...
Yeah...but only if you know they're doing it in the first place. My mom didn't know I shaved until ds1 came out with a public commentary on the difference between me and my sister...at a family dinner. *sigh* It's just not something I ever discussed, yk?

And, I'm totally with you on the hair in the teeth thing...just wasn't sure if mentioning it was a UAV, or not.
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Um, Yeah.

Some of the attitudes in this thread make me sick. I guess my husband is a pedophile because he enjoys it when I get a brazillian

It is really hurtful, as a survivor of abuse at the hands of a pedophile, to see people be so flippant about it.

I find many of the statements in this thread to be down putting to women who DO shave or remove body hair. There seems to be an implication that women who shave are brainwashed by media and insecure with their bodies, or not as in touch with them.

If you like being hairy, great, more power to you! But I dont really think there is a right or wrong choice when it comes to body hair removal. I DO wish that there wasn't so much peer pressure to shave. I didn't really feel like I had a choice when I was in Middle School.
If I ever have a daughter I will educate her and hopefully she wont feel as pressured as I did.

I understand what you mean, about flippant attitudes. It hurts me too, sometimes...but I try to remember that we're all on different paths, with different experiences and that people just don't know.

I think that a womans relationship with her vagina and vulva are to be her own....however you wear her, so long as you wear her with pride....you've got my vote for "rockin' vagina"...and even if sometimes a lady can't be so proud...I still love her and her vagina.

Our journeys are all so different....we all experience something different in the shift from maiden, to mother....some of us have many children and NEVER have a baby come out of our vaginas...some of us, never have any children of our own...but help other women have babies all our lives. No matter what your story....you in relation to the physical manifestation of what makes you female...will shift throghout your life. So....I remember hairlesness...I was cool with it....then, I shifted big time...and I love and am filled with a mix of awe, pride and almost, fear....a certain apprehension...at the awesome power of this magnificent, beastly, hairy and wild part of me, the place my child comes from...the place of solace for my one true love...my awesome vagina.

So....however you rock it man, however you rock it, it's okay, nobody means any harm...it's just, we all love our vaginas so much, that it's hard not to think our way is the best way!!
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