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post #141 of 304
I'm 33 and don't have a strong opinion either way. I do, however, think it stinks to high heaven and would never choose to be around it. I also can't get over the "pothead" stereotype and automatically think of people who use it as...for lack of a better word - dumb. That's my own problem though - and I'm working on it, really I am!

Also, while I don't buy into the 'everyone who smokes pot goes onto harder drugs' I do see those who use harder drugs starting out using pot. From what I see you don't hear of many cocaine or heroine abusers who haven't used pot.

Oh, and I'm Canadian, but I don't live in B.C.
post #142 of 304
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
Course all the pot that makes it down there is yucky.

You honestly thing we'd send out best stuff south? Everyone knows that we send our crap pot south and keep the best for ourselves.
OMG!! I LOVE YOU Musician Dad!..My straight dh may leave me for you if he reads this link!
post #143 of 304
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Originally Posted by caiesmommy View Post
OMG!! I LOVE YOU Musician Dad!..My straight dh may leave me for you if he reads this link!
He'll have to fight my DH for me though. Dh maybe an artist, but he can hold his own.
post #144 of 304
add me (22) DP (24) my brother (20) and my parents (49 & 54) to the legalize it list.

mostly i think it is illegal because pharmaceutical companies would lost a lot of business if people could legally use (not even smoke necessarily. it used to be sold in tinctures, you can also eat it, etc) marijuana. fwiw i think one of the biggest cruel injustices in the US is denying chemo patients medical marijuana. for some people going through chemo medical marijuana was a godsend... and yet medical marijuana is illegal. instead they continue to refuse legalizing even medical marijuana allow pharmaceutical companies to give chemotherapy patients buckets of pills that my not help at all even if they are able to keep them down. sorry i can't get over this. it is really incredibly cruel IMO.

and on a more socioeconomic note: the legalization of marijuana will absolutely not make drug problems worse. in fact it will probably make them better. marijuana is easy to grow, one plant produces a lot of pot, and it sells for a ton of money (yk since its illegal) gangs, drug cartels etc. use the ridiculous amount of money they make from selling marijuana to fund the trafficking of guns, heroine, cocaine etc.

by keeping marijuana illegal we are basically handing them a billion dollar pay check (at least this much) to buy themselves big guns and truly dangerous drugs to sell on our streets. and (this is actually worse) the guns the buy for themselves and don't sell are often used for the noble and righteous purpose of causing terrifying and dangerous unrest in their countries. the governments solution to this is to spend billions of dollars a year on a war on drugs. our tax dollars are paying for this, the same tax dollars that could be better spent on things like healthcare for everyone.. or paying off china.

ask someone why marijuana is dangerous. most people will tell you about drug dealers, harder drugs, guns, and gangs. and i ask what exactly does that have to do with marijuana? well it is what the drug dealers sell, it leads to harder drugs, gangs sell it etc. well all of those things are true and the only reason they are true is because marijuana is illegal. if it were legal we would have no use for pot dealers and if the big time drug suppliers didn't have the money from the pot they would be hard pressed to have enough money to sell the other drugs. marijuana can most definitely lead to harder stuff when your drug dealer laces it with cocaine or something else addictive... gives him lots of business ya know? if you could buy MJ at target you wouldn't need drug mules, dealers, suppliers etc.

but marijuana in and of itself .. simply ingesting it... what is so horrible about it that it is illegal. most people cannot answer that. and 'the effects it has on mental and physical health' is not an answer. what effects? are they worse then alcohol? how about caffeine? adderall? morpheine? zoloft? xanex?

sorry this subject makes me sick. i hate that we are denying sick people something that could give them some relief and we are sacrificing our kids, our streets, our money, and our health so big freakin pharm can make more money.
post #145 of 304
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
He'll have to fight my DH for me though. Dh maybe an artist, but he can hold his own.
Oh, well then we may have a problem...dh is a Buddhist who smokes weed making him entirely to lazy to do that....
post #146 of 304
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Originally Posted by 1littlebit View Post
by keeping marijuana illegal we are basically handing them a billion dollar pay check (at least this much) to buy themselves big guns and truly dangerous drugs to sell on our streets. and (this is actually worse) the guns the buy for themselves and don't sell are often used for the noble and righteous purpose of causing terrifying and dangerous unrest in their countries. the governments solution to this is to spend billions of dollars a year on a war on drugs. our tax dollars are paying for this, the same tax dollars that could be better spent on things like healthcare for everyone.. or paying off china.


I agree with everything you just said, but mostly THIS!
post #147 of 304
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Originally Posted by Aubergine68 View Post
I certainly consider tobacco and alcohol gateway drugs, when used by underage users. I think that anything you have to break a law to use makes it easier to break more laws and move to harder drugs. Doesn't mean that everyone who drinks or smokes will do it, but I've never met a user of hard-core drugs who didn't drink or smoke.
And I've never met a dog that didn't bark. I can bark all I want, but it doesn't make me a dog.
post #148 of 304
i have never heard the term 'gateway drug' used in such a way that the 'drug' is not an actual substance but an action.

and um even if this were the case making it legal should take care of the problem.
post #149 of 304
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Originally Posted by caiesmommy View Post
Oh, well then we may have a problem...dh is a Buddhist who smokes weed making him entirely to lazy to do that....
Then you get to keep him. My dh smokes weed for "insperation". He... ah... has never actually painted anything while high though. Mostly he just stares at the paints.
post #150 of 304
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Mostly he just stares at the paints.
: you're cracking me up today.
post #151 of 304
Thank you.

He's fun to watch when he's staring at the paints. At least IMO, but that's probably because we usually smoke together.
post #152 of 304
I so wanted in on this discussion. You all are too fast for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohNk85CqIAo



was anyone anti? wish I had time to read this thread throuh
post #153 of 304
DP is so mellow already babi have no idea what pot would do. I, on the other hand, would probably benefit from a lil pot now and again. i haven't smoked since college (a whopping 2.5 ish years) and i have absolutely no idea where i would go about getting it.

this is a good example of the demographic pot is most available to. if i asked my high school and college aged friends and family i would be willing to bet a lot that most of them could tell me where to get some.
post #154 of 304
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Originally Posted by transformed View Post
I so wanted in on this discussion. You all are too fast for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohNk85CqIAo



was anyone anti? wish I had time to read this thread throuh
yeppers. a couple people.

i don't suppose we have a legalize MJ smiley do we?
post #155 of 304
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Originally Posted by frontierpsych View Post
I believe pot should be legal, if not for recreational use then at least for medicinal. My husband has MS, which is one of the many diseases that marijuana can treat.
Even if it were legal, I don't see myself being an avid user. I might use it occasionally in lieu of alcohol, because I like the feeling better. But as far as that goes I never have more than a few drinks at once and when I did used to smoke pot I was never the "smoke till you pass out" type anyway.
When I smoked.. I always stopped when I got buzzed. Same with alcohol. Cause I don't like being falling down stupid drunk or high.. I like the buzz. I know that is not possible for all people however.

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Originally Posted by jlovesl View Post
Wow how nice to see a younger person with the same thoughts as me. I think it should be illegal. I don't care what anyone says, it is just like alcohol it can cloud judgement and reaction times. I would hate to see someone in an accident that got seriously hurt then have to tell the people of that loved one that they were hit by someone who was doing MJ. Then on top of it all told" sorry nothing we can do because MJ is legal". Besides IT STINKS and who wants to smell that stuff around them every where you go. YUCK....But I come from a circle of people and a business where we are all randomly drug tested for safety reasons. And I feel NO sorrow for those who get caught and lose their jobs. Better their jobs then someones life.
First of all.. I LOVE the smell of pot. Mmmmmm.... 2nd.. when I was in high school there were people I knew who I would NOT get in the car with UNLESS they were high. It's like for some reason the pot made them concentrate better than when they were sober. You can't wrap it up in a pretty bow and say this will do this to everyone. Everyone has different reactions to everything. Why on earth do you think they give speed to hyper children? Oh yea.. and all the other stuff about driving while under the influence of legal substances (cause you can get in trouble for driving while taking LEGAL scripts too.) So your whole argument is moot.

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And I've never met a dog that didn't bark. I can bark all I want, but it doesn't make me a dog.
post #156 of 304
one of my neighbors smokes pot.. i am not sure which one but i can smell it sometimes when i sit on the balcony. beats the he!! out of cig smoke IMO.
post #157 of 304
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
Could you explain what you mean by this? Alcohol is legal. I can go buy it whenever a store is open, and drink it whenever I want. But, if I killed somebody while under the influence, it wouldn't be "there's nothing we can do, because alcohol is legal". It's not legal for me to endanger others by being drunk. Driving drunk is a criminal offense...but being drunk isn't.
I was going to reply on my own, but your post was so perfect it was worth just quoting that instead. There WILL be restrictions on weed, as there is with alcohol and cigarettes...I think many people aren't getting that.

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Originally Posted by moaningminny View Post
From what I see you don't hear of many cocaine or heroine abusers who haven't used pot.
This argument doesn't hold up, though, because how many people in general do you hear of who have never, ever smoked a joint? MANY people smoke marijuana, a FEW of those go on to hard drugs, but you know what? They would have anyway. It has to do with the person, and their personality, not what they have or haven't used.

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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
when I was in high school there were people I knew who I would NOT get in the car with UNLESS they were high. It's like for some reason the pot made them concentrate better than when they were sober. You can't wrap it up in a pretty bow and say this will do this to everyone.
Exactly. It makes some people calm down and others get hyper, it makes some people go into a daze and makes other people (my SO for instance) able to completely focus and concentrate better than ever.
post #158 of 304
If marijuana is a/the "gateway" drug... then WTF does that make tobacco?!?!?! Seriously. You've never heard of anyone who does coke/heroine who doesn't smoke weed?? Well, do you know any that *don't* smoke tobacco?????? Come on. This is the most lame argument ever. And honestly, the only reason marijuana makes coke/heroine/meth/crack/etc more easily accessible is, as others have already said: because its illegal!!. If you could walk into Walmart or any old gas station and buy a joint or 5, then that takes that whole equation out.

Of course, IMO, crack, heroine, coke & the rest should be legal too. Because, lets be honest here, the amount of those drugs that come into the country, if everyone was a real hardcore good-for-nothing addict who did them, well, there wouldn't be too many folks sober enough to go to work everyday!! The vast majority of folks who do coke, heroine, etc (and yes, I know/knew lots of people in college who did, and can honestly say I've done coke & acid & mushrooms & a ton of other stuff too, but somehow I'm still a functioning adult, crazy huh?) are just as responsible as you and me, your brother and parents. If we made them *ALL* legal and we put sane restrictions on their use (no driving while high, etc), taxed them and provided people with free drug rehab for if/when they want help getting off them, we'd save BILLIONS in law enforcement, and make BILLIONS more in taxes. Not to mention totally destroy the entire underground markets both here and abroad, cut off funding for the huge drug cartels, gangs, etc & thus lesson the insane amounts of violence being caused by drugs both here and abroad, thereby saving ourselves even *MORE* money in law enforcement.

But of course, its way easier to blame all the coke/potheads/heroine/meth/crack addicts of the world for all the violence and money being wasted on them being illegal. Its way easier to just keep the status quo and keep filling up our prisons with thousands of people who are really doing nothing wrong. Way easier to just pretend like these things are the most evil things ever invented (ignoring the fact that most of them have been around for thousands of years and ingested by billlions of people and yet the human race has somehow managed to survive...), and we should treat anyone who uses them like crap.
post #159 of 304
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Pot is not a drug.. it's an herb. There lies the problem. People seem to misunderstand what it really is.

So in that case, lets make chamomile illegal, and peppermint, and nutmeg (it's a hallucinogenic if you take enough!)

In my opinion drugs are chemical concoctions cooked up in labs and do not grow naturally, (and cigarettes don't count cause even though tobacco is natural, it is no longer natural by the time it hits the shelves.)

So lets make all drugs illegal.. even prescription ones!
Arsenic is also an herb and it is also illegal. I don't think legalizing things just because they are herbs is a great idea, especially if we are legalizing things that impair judgement at the same time as we are legalizing poisons. I agree with the way drugs are classified now.

Perscription drugs are also a different matter altogether. People get perscription drugs because they need them for a medical reason and I think that pot and other drugs with medical value should be legal by perscription. I don't think that we need to make more things illegal and I think we need to get more of a handle on the problems we have with people who abuse legal and illegal drugs, and our criminal justice system in general, before we go out and make more drugs legal to the general population.
post #160 of 304
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Originally Posted by moaningminny View Post
From what I see you don't hear of many cocaine or heroine abusers who haven't used pot.
IMO part of the reason for that is that often when one goes to buy pot they are dealing with "drug dealers" who also sell those items.

You wouldnt find a dispensary selling heroin.

I dont know if that point was made but thats my opinion.
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