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post #261 of 304
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Originally Posted by Doodlebugsmom View Post
Well, if it were decriminalized and sold in a way similar to what is done in The Netherlands, the government would not have control over the production. It would be licensed growers who are passionate about their product, and sold to the specific places that are allowed to sell it. Has anyone ever been to The Netherlands and experienced a country where it is decriminalized? It's definitely not what most people would think. There aren't people out stumbling around stoned or anything. It's quite nice, really.
Been to the Netherlands several times, and it is lovely. There are far fewer people stumbling around stoned and drunk than there are here, actually, since there are nice, legal places for them to hang out in! Outside of Amsterdam I don't think I saw any "partiers" on the streets. It's all pretty mellow and unexciting, and the majority of locals we hung out with didn't even smoke.

It's only a matter of time before it's legalized. Economically, our current policy just can't last much longer.
post #262 of 304
Okay, I have to say America is just funny to me sometimes. EVERY time another country does something and has success with it, our government wants to say it wouldn't work for us. Okay, maybe thats not really funny, but it's an interesting thing to notice. That when people are doing better then us we still think we know better. Like a mathematician claiming they know more about art then Van Gogh, even after they paint something that looks like garbage. Oh, and then it turns out they can't do math either.
post #263 of 304
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Originally Posted by mommysarah5 View Post
Okay, I have to say America is just funny to me sometimes. EVERY time another country does something and has success with it, our government wants to say it wouldn't work for us. Okay, maybe thats not really funny, but it's an interesting thing to notice. That when people are doing better then us we still tnk we know better. Like a mathematician claiming they know more about art then Van Gogh, even after they paint something that looks like garbage. Oh, and then it turns out they can't do math either.
Thats becuase our county is not legislating pot or, alcohol back in the prohibition, out of a sense of what is safe for us. It is the freaking morality police that are doing it. They are legislating morality usually due to their own personal religious beliefs. Since they rest of us don't believe the same as them.. they are just going to pass laws and force it on us. Look at who started the war on drugs and the gateway crap.

Anyway we know better because we are more "moral" than those other countries.. I mean look at them.. I bet they are "socialists too!" (tongue in check.)
post #264 of 304
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Thats becuase our county is not legislating pot or, alcohol back in the prohibition, out of a sense of what is safe for us. It is the freaking morality police that are doing it. They are legislating morality usually due to their own personal religious beliefs. Since they rest of us don't believe the same as them.. they are just going to pass laws and force it on us. Look at who started the war on drugs and the gateway crap.

Anyway we know better because we are more "moral" than those other countries.. I mean look at them.. I bet they are "socialists too!" (tongue in check.)
I hear you definitely bothers me that they call it a free country, and we have all these "constitutional rights" but we can't use any of them because there are laws that prevent us from doing so.

How did we get so far of course?
post #265 of 304
everyone hops on board when the law doesn't infringe on them personally, not realizing that they could be next. the next law to pass may be one that effects the way they practice their rights as an american citizen - but it's fine when the gov't does it to their neighbor. People don't realize that sometimes you have to stand up for something you don't believe in so that you don't have what you do believe in taken away. Stand up for the bigger picture - for the principle of what our country was built on. Or your rights could be the next to go. We should be looking out for ourselves. As much as it would be nice to believe the gov't is looking out for us, the reality is, they aren't actually doing their job, not the way they were designed too. They do manage to keep up a nice political facade. Half the people don't know what they are voting for, and then laws get passed by politicians when they promised they would never pass such laws while in office.

Sorry to go off on a rant here. If our country is so moral, they may want to consider taking up honesty and honor.
post #266 of 304
yeah i don't get the responses that pot (or cigs or alcohol) should be illegal b/c they don't believe anyone should ingest any mind altering substances.

no offense but i couldn't care less what you believe. i could just as easily say that i don't believe in eating meat and meat eating should be illegal.

and the every person i know who has smoked pot has had mental problems or every person i know who has smoked pot is a raging crack addict....

most serial killers i know of are middle aged white guys... should we just imprison them all from the get go? all of the KKK members i know (and yes i actually know quite a few) are christians... should we outlaw the whole religion?

i know tons of middle aged white guys who aren't serial killers and tons of Christians who are not KKK members .... some statements work one way but not the other... i think there is a name for it and i learned it in geometry class in 10th grade.
post #267 of 304
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Originally Posted by mommysarah5 View Post
everyone hops on board when the law doesn't infringe on them personally, not realizing that they could be next. the next law to pass may be one that effects the way they practice their rights as an american citizen - but it's fine when the gov't does it to their neighbor. People don't realize that sometimes you have to stand up for something you don't believe in so that you don't have what you do believe in taken away. Stand up for the bigger picture - for the principle of what our country was built on. Or your rights could be the next to go. We should be looking out for ourselves. As much as it would be nice to believe the gov't is looking out for us, the reality is, they aren't actually doing their job, not the way they were designed too. They do manage to keep up a nice political facade. Half the people don't know what they are voting for, and then laws get passed by politicians when they promised they would never pass such laws while in office.

Sorry to go off on a rant here. If our country is so moral, they may want to consider taking up honesty and honor.
I found this post inspiring. Thank you.
post #268 of 304
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i think there is a name for it and i learned it in geometry class in 10th grade.
Hasty generalization?

I've only met pot smokes who are crack addicts, therefor all pots smokers are crack addicts.

P.S. I don't believe that. I know some pot smokers who aren't crack addicts, so not all pot smokers are crack addicts.
post #269 of 304
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
Hasty generalization?

I've only met pot smokes who are crack addicts, therefor all pots smokers are crack addicts.

P.S. I don't believe that. I know some pot smokers who aren't crack addicts, so not all pot smokers are crack addicts.
Are there still crack addicts? I thought everyone had moved on to meth now.
post #270 of 304
oh I know what you are talking about 1 little bit... they ask it on IQ tests a lot...

If all Wargs are Twerps and no Twerps are Gollums, then no Gollums are definitely Wargs.
True or False?

or

if all snarks are snorks and all snorks and snips then all snips must be snarks.

true or false?

post #271 of 304
: thats exactly what i am talking about. i just can't think of the name. but they spend a lot of time in school teaching you the reverse of a statement isn't automatically true
post #272 of 304
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Originally Posted by mommysarah5 View Post
oh I know what you are talking about 1 little bit... they ask it on IQ tests a lot...

If all Wargs are Twerps and no Twerps are Gollums, then no Gollums are definitely Wargs.
True or False?

or

if all snarks are snorks and all snorks and snips then all snips must be snarks.

true or false?

Are we talking about the Lord of the Rings now?
post #273 of 304
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Originally Posted by LoBleusMama View Post
legalize it! medicinal herbs should not be illegal
And THAT is exactly the point.
Dp and I might not be together if it wasn't for his cannabis prescription: it's like ritalin for him.
Plus, it grows in our vegetable/herb garden because, guess what? it's a PLANT. How could you make a plant illegal???
post #274 of 304
i think it is called a conditional assertion or something... it is apparently beyond the reach of wikipedia i just read through like 4 math and philosophy sites.. my head hurts now.
post #275 of 304
Well, when it comes to logic I can really only clearly identify circular logic.

Pot is illegal because it's bad for you.
Why is it bad for you?
Because it is illegal.

post #276 of 304
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
Well, when it comes to logic I can really only clearly identify circular logic.

Pot is illegal because it's bad for you.
Why is it bad for you?
Because it is illegal.

i knew someone would find a good reason to keep it illegal! why didn't i think of that.
post #277 of 304
somewhere up thread was a post saying that for people who are underage tabacco and alcohol are gateway drugs b/c when you break one law it makes it easier to break another.. which is why pot is a gateway drug b/c once you do it it makes it easier to break other laws... like doing heroine and cocaine.

the first thing i thought of was that if you are using that reasoning the easiest way to solve the problem would be to make it all legal.

the other thing i thought was that by that logic smoking tobacco is fine if you start once your 18 but if you start at 18 you are now a potential murder... i mean if it leads to breaking laws it could be any law, not just the substance related ones.
post #278 of 304
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Originally Posted by 1littlebit View Post
: thats exactly what i am talking about. i just can't think of the name. but they spend a lot of time in school teaching you the reverse of a statement isn't automatically true
yes I remember that time in school and it was very boring for me because I understood it the first time lol but that's just how it is some people no matter how far you break it down just don't get that concept.

Like, trying to explain to someone that no 40 weeks does not equal 10 months, because there are more then 4 weeks in most months. I've always been good at math... but that makes it hard when there are so many people who aren't and they "know" I am wrong when I say things like there are closer to 4.33 weeks in a month on average.
post #279 of 304
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Originally Posted by 1littlebit View Post
i knew someone would find a good reason to keep it illegal! why didn't i think of that.
Just think though... Make it legal and it's not bad for you.

post #280 of 304
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Originally Posted by musiciandad View Post
well, when it comes to logic i can really only clearly identify circular logic.

Pot is illegal because it's bad for you.
Why is it bad for you?
Because it is illegal.

lol
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