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[chlobo]

Borage Oil

So I was reading the latest issue of the newsletter from a local health store & the owner touts the benefits of Borage Oil. She says it has a synergistic effect when taken with vit D & fish oil, enhancing all the good qualities of all 3.

Has anyone else heard this?

[FireWithin]

So whAt metabolizes alcohol? I had a full glass of wine and I'm totally bombed? I don't trust myself to pick up small children or walk across the room. What am I missing?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

So whAt metabolizes alcohol? I had a full glass of wine and I'm totally bombed? I don't trust myself to pick up small children or walk across the room. What am I missing?

Phase I is responsible for alcohol, iirc. Glutathione is the necessary nutrient and can be "freed up" by vitamin C. Shannon will likely know more about what nutrients are necessary for actually producing glutathione, I always forget.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

So whAt metabolizes alcohol? I had a full glass of wine and I'm totally bombed? I don't trust myself to pick up small children or walk across the room. What am I missing?

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Phase I is responsible for alcohol, iirc. Glutathione is the necessary nutrient and can be "freed up" by vitamin C. Shannon will likely know more about what nutrients are necessary for actually producing glutathione, I always forget.

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...1060720&page=4

The handy cheat sheet (from Cutler's book) that I included in my thread cause I didn't know where else to put it says phase II glutathione is responsible for ethyl alcohol detoxification (ethyl alcohol is the type we drink, right?).

So does that mean that it needs glutathione twice, once in phase I to deal with the leftover piece from initial processing (where the vitamin C could also take care of that leftover piece, thus sparing glutathione), and then a second time in phase II to actually be excreted? So alcoholics with heavy metal issues are really, really in trouble?

So I was reading the latest issue of the newsletter from a local health store & the owner touts the benefits of Borage Oil. She says it has a synergistic effect when taken with vit D & fish oil, enhancing all the good qualities of all 3.

Chlobo, I think the fatty acid of note in borage oil is GLA, it's an omega-6, but some people don't make it easily, not really sure of the reasons. Quite a few of the Nordic Naturals products have GLA, I don't know much because so far I'm assuming we're okay there. Assumption is the mother of all screwups and has many children.

On other news, DH came to me this evening and asked about keratosis pilaris (the rough skin on his arms is actually what he said) and is one of the things I have him take supposed to help? He thinks it's getting better. First sign of any improvement in ages, so I'll take it, even if it is minor compared to the other stuff. Yay! Wish I knew exactly what was doing it, cause I have him taking CLO, a separate DHA supp and we started the mag recently (and I think that somehow related to cysteine, though at the moment I'm blanking on why/how). But whatever, yay! His whole family is prone to KP. Oh, and I'm giving him supplemental D too. Whatever, he needs it all.

[lil_miss_understood]

Okay, I was looking on Tuberose's liver detox thingie for alcohol and found out it induces phase I. So Tanya is right, as usual.
Also, I came across this about milk thistle (aka silymarin) at the end, which I'd either not read before or they just added:

One of the key mechanisms by which silymarin enhances detoxification is by preventing the depletion of glutathione. Silymarin not only prevents the depletion of glutathione induced by alcohol and other toxic chemicals, but has been shown to increase the level of glutathione of the liver by up to 35%, even in normals. Inhuman studies, silymarin has been shown to have positive effects in treating liver diseases of various kinds, including cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis, fatty infiltration of the liver, and inflammation of the bile duct. The standard dosage for silymarin is 70-210 mg three times/day.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Okay, I was looking on Tuberose's liver detox thingie for alcohol and found out it induces phase I. So Tanya is right, as usual.
Also, I came across this about milk thistle (aka silymarin) at the end, which I'd either not read before or they just added:

Wow so I just looked at my Milk Thistle. It says a dose is 2ml or 56 drops and its 2000mg. Yikes..

[tanyalynn]

Jacqueline, wow, I think I skimmed/missed that too, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'd read the page many times, it takes a while for everything to sink in.

So, if one has milk thistle seeds, and grinds them up, I was just googling a bit (I love the Internet, I really do) and it looks like 12-15 grams, probably divided, is typical. I remember a link earlier that had that in teaspoons/tablespoons, it may have been 3 teaspoons per day? And sometimes higher? I'm giving the dog 1 tsp ground each night, let's hope it's helpful for her.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by chlobo

You know, I myself have been drinking water kefir and I don't notice any difference in anything. This makes me thing about something I read about having so much bad bacteria that the good bacteria can't take hold. How do I get rid of the bad stuff so the good stuff stands a chance?

Also, I cannot get any into DS for the life of me. My daughter yes, DS no.

And my DH says it gives him diarrhea.

Probiotics do NOTHING for me, even in huge doses. That I've noticed, anyways. I've done lots of antibiotics. I'm pretending I don't hear you...

Originally Posted by chlobo

So I was reading the latest issue of the newsletter from a local health store & the owner touts the benefits of Borage Oil. She says it has a synergistic effect when taken with vit D & fish oil, enhancing all the good qualities of all 3.

Has anyone else heard this?

Borage oil is high in the antiinflammatory omega 6, which can be converted fairly easily into the inflammatory one. Fish oil is high in the omega 3 that inhibits the inflammatory omega 6. I have no idea where the vit fits in, though. more in the prostaglandin thread

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Phase I is responsible for alcohol, iirc. Glutathione is the necessary nutrient and can be "freed up" by vitamin C. Shannon will likely know more about what nutrients are necessary for actually producing glutathione, I always forget.

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

On other news, DH came to me this evening and asked about keratosis pilaris (the rough skin on his arms is actually what he said) and is one of the things I have him take supposed to help? He thinks it's getting better. First sign of any improvement in ages, so I'll take it, even if it is minor compared to the other stuff. Yay! Wish I knew exactly what was doing it, cause I have him taking CLO, a separate DHA supp and we started the mag recently (and I think that somehow related to cysteine, though at the moment I'm blanking on why/how). But whatever, yay! His whole family is prone to KP. Oh, and I'm giving him supplemental D too. Whatever, he needs it all.

I don't remember about alcohol, I'll have to look it up again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_dehydrogenase
I'm seeing zinc and niacin (B3).

For KP, I'd say mag, (cal), vit A, (vit D), taurine for calcium ion channels, and sulfate/vitamin C for skin. I wonder what the timeline is on noticing a difference... Mine seems pretty slow to change, but I might just be forgetting to check

cs, you inspired me to make ice cream too - blackberry/honey. But now dd is asleep on me and it's refusing to freeze. Maybe tomorrow...

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Jacqueline, wow, I think I skimmed/missed that too, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'd read the page many times, it takes a while for everything to sink in.

So, if one has milk thistle seeds, and grinds them up, I was just googling a bit (I love the Internet, I really do) and it looks like 12-15 grams, probably divided, is typical. I remember a link earlier that had that in teaspoons/tablespoons, it may have been 3 teaspoons per day? And sometimes higher? I'm giving the dog 1 tsp ground each night, let's hope it's helpful for her.

I've been doing about a tablespoon in pancakes each morning. Can't quite figure out how else to get it in throughout the day, though. If just one tablespoon is enough, though, that'd be awesome!

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by chlobo

It was $2.05 at the Azure I was looking at. Maybe a case is less? How do you order form them? Do you place a huge $500 order or do you belong to some sort of coop. I could never order that much at once.

You can call them and see if there's a group close to you. If you order with a group, you just have to order $50 at a time- the whole group's order has to be over $500. Then you go meet the truck when it drives through town and pick up your stuff. Or you can just order direct, but then you have to pay for UPS shipping, and I'm sure that's not cheap.

Originally Posted by chlobo

According to the website I was reading (the one someone posted on here, maybe you?), Palm sugar and coconut sugar are *not* the same thing.

And according to the package I got its 100% palm sugar. Doesn't mention a preservative. Who knows.

ETA: Found it:

"Coconut sugar is a traditional sugar made from the sap of coconut flowers. It is boiled down to create either dry sugar blocks, a soft paste, or a granulated form. I should mention that the names” palm sugar” and “coconut sugar” are used interchangeably, but the sugars are different. This can cause a little confusion. For example, the brand I got was called palm sugar, but was actually made from coconut sugar tree flowers. Since I don’t know the value of palm sugar, I just look at the ingredient list to make sure it’s made from coconut trees."

from:

http://www.thenourishinggourmet.com/...nut-sugar.html

Huh. I thought that they were the same thing. No clue. I used 100% palm sugar too. And it's delicious. Oh- and I meant that my coconut milk had the preservatives, not the sugar.

Originally Posted by dannic

So I made the choco coc. icecream, CS. It was so good--altho the texture was just a tad funky--like the coconut cream began to freeze before everything else. Did you have this happen? But, yum!

Nope- my texture was absolutely perfect- just like regular ice cream! I used about 1T. of arrowroot, not sure if that makes a big difference or not.

Originally Posted by dannic

CS--I was just thinking that that icecream would make a great "fudgesicle". (If you could get it really frozen and eat if really fast!)

Oh- it totally would!! We didn't quite finish eating our batch and threw the softened remains in the freezer, and it froze up REALLY hard.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Okay, I was looking on Tuberose's liver detox thingie for alcohol and found out it induces phase I. So Tanya is right, as usual.
Also, I came across this about milk thistle (aka silymarin) at the end, which I'd either not read before or they just added:

I keep getting distracted while typing this post, and completely forgot what the quoted quote was... but I was going to say that last time I had a cocktail, I followed it with my usual evening milk thistle tincture in some water, and felt so great in the morning. Usually after a cocktail, at the very least, my sinuses get all stuffed up and I feel dehydrated in the morning. But with the milk thistle, I couldn't even tell I had a drink!

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by whoMe

I've been doing about a tablespoon in pancakes each morning. Can't quite figure out how else to get it in throughout the day, though. If just one tablespoon is enough, though, that'd be awesome!

I remember that I scaled the dose from an assumed 150-pound adult to a 50-pound dog, if that helps.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I remember that I scaled the dose from an assumed 150-pound adult to a 50-pound dog, if that helps.

You would So 12-15 grams times three? 3 Tbsp ground seeds/day? That sounds more like what I was shooting for...

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by whoMe

You would So 12-15 grams times three? 3 Tbsp ground seeds/day? That sounds more like what I was shooting for...

I came across this and this. The first says 12-15g/day (I'm pretty sure they mean total) and the second says

In the powdered form a dosage of two to four grams three times per day is normal.

and I was assuming "powdered form" just meant seeds ground into a powder. So that's on the low-ish end of the other recommendation.

And I kept looking for another recommendation, just to see if there's any widespread agreement, and everybody uses tinctures or pills! I couldn't even find a recommendation from Susan Weed. :

Anyway, I thought I gave the dog a dose on the lower end of effective, I know I saw some recommendations that were several tablespoons per day, but I got the impression that was a lot higher than usual. But who knows.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Sorry. Not! I'll bet your gravy is fabulous. Would you adopt me? Give me the childhood I never had? lol.

I'm hoping I'm giving my children the childhood I never had! Sure, I'll adopt you. But don't get your hopes up. I have lots of clunker recipes between the good ones. Last night I didn't think I had enough drippings to make gravy since I was just roasting 2 chicken breasts (bone-in) so that I could make the broth to make the gravy and measure it! I had about 1 Tbs. of drippings. I added 1/2 Tbs. sorghum and 1/2 Tbs. sweet potato starch, and it looked like it was going to be gross. I didn't have any broth, so I just added water and kept whisking and whisking. There wasn't much of it, but it tasted great. Then I stuck my bones in the slow cooker so my broth has been going all night tonight. I'm hoping to do roast chicken with gravy on Wednesday (since that's how long it will be before my chicken thaws!

Originally Posted by deditus

Anyone have an opinion on when to take probiotics w/abx, can you please look at my Flagyl thread? So far I am not having any side effects from the Flagyl and I'd like to keep it that way. TIA.

I take my abx in the evening with dinner, and I take the probiotics in the morning, before I have breakfast. Not sure if that's right or not. I know it's supposed to be at least a few hours apart. I only take my abx once a day so that works for me.

Originally Posted by chlobo

Lalala. I"m not listening. DH won't let me buy the stuff at the asian market. He thinks everything at the asian market is tainted from China.

Anyhow, I found palm sugar, not coconut sugar. I'm going to try to use it. But it came in little bricks. How do I dissolve it?

See, I figure the China stuff is okay at the Asian market because it's for them. They're only trying to taint all the food that the Americans buy. I use palm sugar; in the little disks. If I'm using it in a liquid, then I'll just warm it in the liquid to use it. If it's going in cake or something like that, I use a knife and shave it off (almost like you were doing it to a baking chocolate bar) on a cutting board.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Oh yeah, and Kathy, I was wondering. Those oils... The butterscotch flavor- do you know if it's dairy free? I was thinking it would be great to mix with dairy free white chocolate chips to make the peanut butterscotch squares my gran used to make (except now we can't have peanuts anyway, but maybe someone else can now. ).

Do I have your email? I have the list that the lady sent me of the ingredients of all the oils. The ones I got were toffee, caramel, and cotton candy, and they were all just propylene glycol and artificial flavor. But I still have the whole list.

Originally Posted by whoMe

dd's latest movie is muppets take manhattan. I've seen it about 100 times now. I hadn't seen it before dh showed it to dd, and so I still have no idea what the first half is...

I saw that when I was a kid but I think I only saw it once. We watch the original all the time.

Originally Posted by changingseasons

I'm sure it is all tainted... And it has some kind of preservative (can't remember off the top of my head, except that it's not citric acid or guar gum.) I'm starting to think that DD's recent rash might be from the preservative...

Is it potassium metabisulfite? That's what's in mine.

[FireWithin]

Thanks everyone about the alcohol info. I'm feeling fine this morning.

My son's blisters are entirely healed, except a little redness.

[dannic]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...1060720&page=4
On other news, DH came to me this evening and asked about keratosis pilaris (the rough skin on his arms is actually what he said) and is one of the things I have him take supposed to help? He thinks it's getting better. First sign of any improvement in ages, so I'll take it, even if it is minor compared to the other stuff. Yay! Wish I knew exactly what was doing it, cause I have him taking CLO, a separate DHA supp and we started the mag recently (and I think that somehow related to cysteine, though at the moment I'm blanking on why/how). But whatever, yay! His whole family is prone to KP. Oh, and I'm giving him supplemental D too. Whatever, he needs it all.

Is your dh GF? I've heard that being GF and taking CLO (vit A) helps KP...one family actually had it flare when XCon with gluten...they used it as their indicator.

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I'm hoping I'm giving my children the childhood I never had! Sure, I'll adopt you. But don't get your hopes up. I have lots of clunker recipes between the good ones. Last night I didn't think I had enough drippings to make gravy since I was just roasting 2 chicken breasts (bone-in) so that I could make the broth to make the gravy and measure it! I had about 1 Tbs. of drippings. I added 1/2 Tbs. sorghum and 1/2 Tbs. sweet potato starch, and it looked like it was going to be gross. I didn't have any broth, so I just added water and kept whisking and whisking. There wasn't much of it, but it tasted great. Then I stuck my bones in the slow cooker so my broth has been going all night tonight. I'm hoping to do roast chicken with gravy on Wednesday (since that's how long it will be before my chicken thaws!
That sounds so good--I've got a chicken thawing too!




See, I figure the China stuff is okay at the Asian market because it's for them. They're only trying to taint all the food that the Americans buy.

: How true!

I think DD1 is experiencing a lot of anxiety lately--do any of your kiddos? If so, what do you do to help them? Last night, she was afraid of monsters gettin in and ran around the house locking all the doors--would have been humorous had she not been so serious about it.

I'm over at the garden, using IL's connection to get on MDC while I "supervise" the watering. DH didn't want to get up so did and he'll have to figure out breakfast!

[Theloose]

For anxiety, I'd look at serotonin and for paranoia, look at methyl groups to turn off dopamine. Mag made a big difference for us (did I read in another thread you're doing cal/mag? The calcium might be blocking absorption of the mag.) more on serotonin and more on methyl groups

[dannic]

I was doing both myself, plus just mag at other times. I'd been doing NAT VIT mag calm for about a yr with DD1 when she energy tested that it was hurtful to her. I quit it, but then she began having a more difficult time sleeping so I reintroduced it about two weeks ago. It was helping. Then I read Moneca's post about mercury and it kinda alarmed me, lol. I need to find a new source for her...she really liked the mag calm, darn it. Methyl groups, eh. What about adrenals? Can a child have adrenal issues?
(WhoME, I do so love your brain!)

I've got TMC, Ross. Can you do her protocal with a child? I've done it myself in the past.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by dannic

I think DD1 is experiencing a lot of anxiety lately--do any of your kiddos? If so, what do you do to help them? Last night, she was afraid of monsters gettin in and ran around the house locking all the doors--would have been humorous had she not been so serious about it.

The magnesium helps my anxiety. But going off my allergens did wonders for the overall anxiety.

[dannic]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

The magnesium helps my anxiety. But going off my allergens did wonders for the overall anxiety.

You know, I may have had an AHA moment--she may be reacting to the brown sugar I put in the icecream? Is that a possibility? AFAIK, she has never had brown sugar...

She used to be uber sensitive to all sugars but raw honey...dang, I thought we were over that! :