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IF you don't have a philosophical exemption how do you selectively vax?

post #1 of 27
7/7/09 at 11:30am
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Hey! I'm in a state where I would have to claim religious exemption. I don't honestly know when this will even come up as DS will be homeschooled but I plan on selectively vaccinating him and am wondering how you explain a "religious" exemption for some but not all vaccinations?

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post #2 of 27
7/7/09 at 2:42pm
Your state sounds like mine. I just lie. I get my exemption on file then get my kids the shots I've selected. They don't have to know about them and I have no qualms with it.
post #3 of 27
7/9/09 at 5:46pm
From what I understand you have to be careful about getting vaxes after you file/declare your religious exemption. Make sure you're not in the vax registries (you cannot opt out in some states).
post #4 of 27
7/9/09 at 5:59pm
We don't selectively vax, but my kids have religious exemptions and just new for this year, they have the option to mark which ones you are opposed to. It may be only in NM, I dunno, but I was a bit surprised.

Here is what it looks like.

What state are you in?

eta: and actually, I guess we were selectively vaxers since my first two had some shots before I began researching. I just say they haven't had any, b/c it's easier for me and they haven't finished the entire series anyway. I'm not the least bit worried about them being excluded in the event of an outbreak so I figure it's not the school's business to know.
post #5 of 27
7/9/09 at 8:26pm
i came to post this exact thing, i'm in tn
post #6 of 27
7/9/09 at 8:29pm
I checked the box stating that I was opposed and just signed off when I registered DS for school. He has been selectively vaxed but I figured it was easier than getting into it all. He hasn't been vaxed for the things the school will care about, measles, chicken pox et al.
post #7 of 27
7/14/09 at 5:55pm
In NJ, we cannot opt out of the state immunization registry (I don't think...). In such a case, what could a parent do to vaccinate selectively? Has anyone done so?
post #8 of 27
7/16/09 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by Shoxie View Post
In NJ, we cannot opt out of the state immunization registry (I don't think...). In such a case, what could a parent do to vaccinate selectively? Has anyone done so?
I live in NJ too and you can get a religious exemption.
post #9 of 27
7/17/09 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by Shoxie View Post
In NJ, we cannot opt out of the state immunization registry (I don't think...). In such a case, what could a parent do to vaccinate selectively? Has anyone done so?
Yes you can opt out in NJ

Any child born after 1998 is automatically enrolled UNLESS you sign a Declination of Newborn Automatic Enrollment form. Also any child that is already enrolled can be disenrolled by filling out a registrant withdrawl form.

Interestingly enough it gives a link on their website to download this form, but if you click on it, the form is not there! I called the registry and the lady is going to find out about the form and call me back. I will post again when she does and update.
post #10 of 27
7/20/09 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
Yes you can opt out in NJ

Any child born after 1998 is automatically enrolled UNLESS you sign a Declination of Newborn Automatic Enrollment form. Also any child that is already enrolled can be disenrolled by filling out a registrant withdrawl form.

Interestingly enough it gives a link on their website to download this form, but if you click on it, the form is not there! I called the registry and the lady is going to find out about the form and call me back. I will post again when she does and update.
Thx, Marnica. I do now remember getting something to sign at one of my peds' offices; however, it seemed to state that I was required to participate in the registry in order to be a patient of the practice. Is that possible? Yikes. In any case, we are with another ped now, but I'd LOVE to find out how to disenroll my DCs. Please let me know if you hear back. If not, I'll try calling as well. TIA!
post #11 of 27
7/20/09 at 1:38am
It is my understanding that you only need the exemption for school so if you homeschool why would you need it?
post #12 of 27
7/20/09 at 1:41am
Marnica - I found the form...

http://web.doh.state.nj.us/apps2/doc...m47_091508.dot

It's IMM-47. It's a word doc, but it doesn't appear on the website, just off of this link I found in google. I'll play around with it more tomorrow if I get a minute. Does this look to be the correct form?
post #13 of 27
7/20/09 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Shoxie View Post
Marnica - I found the form...

http://web.doh.state.nj.us/apps2/doc...m47_091508.dot

It's IMM-47. It's a word doc, but it doesn't appear on the website, just off of this link I found in google. I'll play around with it more tomorrow if I get a minute. Does this look to be the correct form?
yes that's it...glad you found it. I think it's ridiculous that it is not right there on the website. I'm sure they don't even want people to know it's an option. The lady from the registry never called me back...big surprise!!! Good luck!
post #14 of 27
7/22/09 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
yes that's it...glad you found it. I think it's ridiculous that it is not right there on the website. I'm sure they don't even want people to know it's an option. The lady from the registry never called me back...big surprise!!! Good luck!
Ok, thx, again. I'm going to try and get both kiddos off the registry - I just wonder if they actually stop collecting the data or if they collect and just don't release it. Ugh, this is frustrating!
post #15 of 27
7/22/09 at 4:46pm
Is there a vaccine registry in Illinois? Just curious. Never heard of such a thing. Does anyone know? And if there is one, how does one get off of it?
post #16 of 27
7/15/10 at 2:42am
bumping b/c I came searching with the same question, and am curious about this and also in Illinois. My son has had some of his vaxes, and I'm OK with saying gee we changed our conviction. He is 5 and has had most vaxes we care to get. Hep B and chicken pox will come way later, and I don't think we will do mmr. But I'm not 100% sure about that. Basically I'm not comfortable with turning in a blank form and then getting a vax, should we end up doing so. I don't even know yet if my dr. will allow it...I've never heard of these registries?
post #17 of 27
7/17/10 at 4:45pm
IIRC, in TN you still have to submit a vaccination form if you homeschool, so that may also be true in other states.

Looks like there is an Immunization Registry in TN, it records all vaccines given in health departments and participating doctor's offices. So I guess you'd have to ask at your office to find out if you were on there. It is accessible to school nurses, so I guess if they wanted they could check on you. Still, they'd have to single your records out to check, most people probably wouldn't bother. So far I can't find info about opting out, grrr...

Another note for TN people - they are now requiring TWO doses of chicken pox for kindergarten entry, and in 2011 they're going to require HepA. :P
post #18 of 27
7/17/10 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by Hazelnut View Post
bumping b/c I came searching with the same question, and am curious about this and also in Illinois. My son has had some of his vaxes, and I'm OK with saying gee we changed our conviction. He is 5 and has had most vaxes we care to get. Hep B and chicken pox will come way later, and I don't think we will do mmr. But I'm not 100% sure about that. Basically I'm not comfortable with turning in a blank form and then getting a vax, should we end up doing so. I don't even know yet if my dr. will allow it...I've never heard of these registries?
I believe that all 50 states have a government database of every child in order to track their vaccinations. Living in Illinois, you are lucky; your state requires that parents give their consent for their children to be included. From the URL:
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A patient, or a child’s parent or guardian, must give consent to be included in the statewide registry. If consent is not given, the patient can still be included in your I-CARE clinic. However, this patient’s information will NOT be shared outside your clinic.
In a lot of other states, children are automatically enrolled, usually without the consent or even knowledge of their parents. There's usually an opt-out process for parents who don't want their children in it, but doctors and public health officials aren't exactly proclaiming that little secret from the rooftops. Here on MDC, a number of people have posted something along the lines of, "Hey! I didn't know my children were in a database....!" Not terribly ethical, IMHO.

ETA: I've heard of selectively vaxing parents crossing state lines to avoid registry issues. Not sure how well that works, though.
post #19 of 27
7/17/10 at 9:10pm
One thing you can do is base your selective/delayed schedule around your state's laws on what they actually need for school, as well as how often you need to submit exemptions. For example, the only ones I am considering at this point are MMR and Varicella, but not until adolescence. Since my state only requires a new exemption be filed when a student changes schools (even if its within the district), I plan on having them done after we file an exemption for high school (that is... if we send our kids to public school and we're still in NY).
post #20 of 27
7/20/10 at 4:43pm
When you do a religious exemption, you are saying that you do not believe in ANY vaccines entering your childs body. With that, my 4th is selectively vax'd, yet we are doing religious exempt as well, if we dont end up homeschooling her (she's not even 1 yet) because my Pediatrician said that he keeps track of the shots she gets in the office on his records, but when we need state forms filled out, he just doesnt fill in any of the vaccine info and just signs off on the paperwork and I attach the religious exemption form to the paper.
I had to do this when applying to be a foster home, and DCFS accepted it. So you need to just not fill out any of the shot info on the paperwork, but have the Dr keep track in his office.

ETA: so in the end, on the DCFS paperwork it looks as if she's had no vaccines, where she has really had Dtap, PC and Hib.
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