ISO raw feeding website I saw

[Melaniee]

presumably from a link on here but I cannot find it. It has photos of the prep, talked about grinding or food processing things and freezing them in muffin pans.

Does this sound familiar? I know I read it but I cannot find it! We're looking to switch over to a raw diet made by us, as right now Dpuppy is getting 1/2 natural wellness grain-free kibble and 1/2 green tripe.

TIA!

[Ola_]

Can I give a piece of advice? Don't grind or process - whole food is much better for the dog and much easier for you.

Especially for a puppy since ground BARF-style diets often have a lot of bone. Unlike adults, puppies can't regulate their calcium intake so this is bad for them.

[greenmagick]

I totally wouldnt mess with grinding etc. Whats the point?

[Melaniee]

Interesting, thanks. Honestly it was more for the veggie intake and prep that I am looking for the site. If we get the meat elsewhere I hadn't considered yet what to do with it. As a vegetarian I'm not overly fond of meat-handling anyhow.

[greenmagick]

I dont give any veggies or grains...they dont need them. I just give meat, bones, occasional eggs and green tripe. Now, that is not saying they never eat veggies or grains, I mean I have two young children...they get lots of "treats" but I wouldnt purposely feed them

[Melaniee]

Raw eggs? Is salmonella not a worry with dogs? Or did you mean, cooked?

Long-term, financially, we cannot do a 100% green tripe diet. And since canines, in the wild (haha, imagining our modern-day pampered pooches) go for intestines first, I was thinking we should have SOME vegetation in the diet if we did go with other meats. No?

[greenmagick]

yes, raw eggs. salmonella is not a concern.....I mean their staple diet is raw chicken. I eat raw eggs sometimes too like in caesar salad. (and I did forget to mention organs in a pp) I am not looking for balance at everymeal, but over long term.

I only give green tripe every once in a while. And, from what I remember wild canids usually shake the innards out pretty well first. People do both versions of raw with grains and veggies or without but to me, it makes more sense to do without. Like I said before, scaveging around the house and yard they get some veggies etc.

[Ola_]

No veggies. The vegetable matter in a herbivore's stomach is partially digested grass, etc. How exactly are pulverized carrots and zucchini a good immitation of that?

Yes to raw eggs. And raw meat, and raw bones. How do you figure your dog will eat raw chicken if they're that susceptible to salmonella?

[Melaniee]

Originally Posted by Ola_

No veggies. The vegetable matter in a herbivore's stomach is partially digested grass, etc. How exactly are pulverized carrots and zucchini a good immitation of that?

Yes to raw eggs. And raw meat, and raw bones. How do you figure your dog will eat raw chicken if they're that susceptible to salmonella?

This is why I am asking those who know more than I do about a raw canine diet, you don't need to be snarky.

And my dog hasn't eaten raw chicken at this point.

[mistymama]

Melaniee, I know it's hard at first to get used to it - but dogs digest differently than we do and are not prone to getting salmonella.

So yes, you can safely feed raw chicken, eggs, etc.

Like the others have said, I don't feed any veggies on purpose. He does get little scraps when I'm chopping veggies for dinner - but I even keep that to a minimum because they come out not digested well. Dogs really don't need veggies.

We feed meaty bones (staple of his diet is chicken thighs & pork neck bones), chicken and turkey hearts (add these in with a boney meal, llike pork neck bones), chicken livers - several times a week I also feed fish (usually sardines or canned salmon, whole fish with bones) and about every other week he'll get a raw egg.

I think it's easiest to start with raw chicken (whole, no need to grind - your dog actually gets a great teeth cleaning from eating and chewing bones) and stick with that for a week or two. Then slowly start adding in other meats, organ meats, liver, etc.

[Ola_]

Originally Posted by Melaniee

This is why I am asking those who know more than I do about a raw canine diet, you don't need to be snarky.

And my dog hasn't eaten raw chicken at this point.

I'm sorry if I sounded snarky. I guess I was confused that you were planning to feed raw (which normally includes raw chicken as well as other raw meats) but then you were worried about salmonella in eggs.

Do you have questions about raw we can answer for you? Yes, eggs are fine to feed. I usually use them when I've forgotten to thaw something - a couple of eggs and a few chicken feet make for a nice light meal, and then I feed a bigger meal the next day. One of the key theories behind raw is to feed "balance over time" so you don't need to do the same food every day, or the same amount.

[greenmagick]

Ok ,the issue about feeding veggies came up on another group I am on, and they had a lot of examples and research posted. David Mech is very well known in the field of wolves. He spent a lot of time up close and personal. Apparently, wolves do not eat the intestines first, it just appeared that way from a distance. If they do eat them, they shake them out first.

L David Mech "The Wolf: Ecology and Behaviour of an Endangered Species" pp

185-186.

"The rump of the prey animal, which is the usual point of attack, is often

the first part eaten......The next part of the carcass to be eaten are the

heart, lungs, liver and all other viscera EXCEPT THE STOMACH CONTENTS."

There were many more quotes and sources, but that is a starting point anyways.

Also, many of the members who are whole prey model feeders say that in very small animals there dogs will sometimes eat the whole animal, but often even then will leave the stomach contents.

[mommy2abigail]

Can I jump in here and ask a ? I don't want to derail the thread, so if needed I'll start a new one...


I have two dogs, about the same size a husky and a samoyed. We also have a kitty. I'd like to start them on raw food, but have no clue as to how much/what per day. I know it's balance over time, but I need a sample weekly plan or something just to get me started. Is there something like that? All the sites I have found so far don't give out the details, just mainly talking about how great raw feeding is.

So, for a 60ish pound dog, what would you give? How much carcass, how much organ meat, how much chicken vs. fish vs. beef. vs. other meats?


Also, where do you get your food from? I suppose I could ask at my grocery store...but what would I ask for? I don't know of a butcher, but I'm sure there is one around, I would just have to locate one. THanks!

[mistymama]

You want to feed aprox 2-3% of the animals ideal body weight. This varies due to activity - but is easy to adjust if your dog is looking chunky or a little too thin. And remember it's not that you have to have each portion exactly the right size - I often feed my guy a bigger meal one day, smaller the next. It's over a longer period of time that you want everything to balance out.

You will also need to feed organ meat - some of that being liver. It's easiest for us to find chicken and turkey liver, so that's what we use.

I find everything at our local grocery store. Sometimes going to more ethnic stores will help you find more variety. But staples of our dog's diet are: bone in chicken & turkey thighs, wings, pork neck bones, chicken & turkey hearts, canned salmon, sardines, raw egg & occasionally green tripe.

I know it's kinda scary to start at first, but you can really adjust the diet as you learn what you are doing and what your dog needs. I'm feeding fish a little more often now as I find it is helping his coat. If his stools get soft, I feed a meal with more bone like a chicken wing.

[Ola_]

A good way to start is chicken leg quarters - inexpensive and you can get them at most grocery stores. For a dog that size I would probably feed two per day or so, depending on their metabolism. Feed that for a week or so to let them adjust and then you can start adding other meats gradually. In the meantime you can figure out what to do next.

I feed any part of chicken, turkey, pork, most lamb cuts (not as often cause they're expensive) and mostly boneless beef (because I find the bones too dense). Some fish also but one of my dogs is not fond of it at all so mostly we just use fish oil capsules.