Vaccines cause Autism: Myth Busted

[mama1803]

This morning a pedi was on the news giving the "truth" regarding the safety of vaccines, the safety of artificial sweetners, and a couple of other things. What really made my blood boil was when she said something to the effect of "pediatricians give vaccines everyday-we'd know if they caused autism". After watching this little gem I didn't even need my morning jolt of caffeine to wake up.


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...om/foxfriends/

[tayndrewsmama]

Well that was just rather ridiculous. Who ever said that artficial sweetners were a poison? I believe they will contribute to health problems and deteriorating conditions, but not that you'll die right now from them. They are taking the extreme on all of this. Talk about fancy wording with the organic one too. The foods themselves aren't making people sick, but the pestcide applications are.

I think tooooooooooo many people are going in extreme directions with the vax/autism connection. Some want to say all autism is caused by vaccines. Not true. The reverse is saying that no autism is caused by vaccines. Same old baloney, different day.

[1littlebit]

i don't think people comprehend the concept of that it doesn't have to be immediate and extreme for one thing to be a contributing factor in another. i think we would agree that adding yeast to bread makes it rise but it doesn't blow up like a ballon right away, sometimes something is not quite right and it doesn't work at all, and some kinds of bread do not require adding yeast... so why is it so hard to believe that some things we eat cause certain things to happen over time and have different effects on different people? and why is it hard to believe that two things that look similar (or even two of the same thing) could happen two compltely different ways?

it seems like people expect vaccine reactions and ill effects from food chemicals to happen instantaneously and be compltely predictable. when you pop a couple morphein most if not all people get high as a kite..ok well..not everything works like that. i think a big part of the problem is that they really are not able to pinpoint why certain things happen and so they are not willing to consider that these things could contribute to it.

i think another problem may be the way we study things.. it can be a bit crude. vaccines for instnace, lets say you study 30000 babies and inject 15000 with the vaccine. none of them seem to suffer major problems right away. by the age of ten 100 of the fifteen vaxed babies are on the autism spectrum and only 40 of the non vaxxed. i think this can be looked at a couple of different ways but i imagine most people would see that and think that it wasn't the vax b/c kids who weren't vaxxed still got it. this only works if you are assuming there is only one way in which certain things can happen. another way you could look at it is to say that 100 kids were on the autism spectrum but they are all over the spectrum and if vaccines were the cause they would all have the same diagnosis on the spectrum. neither of these really make sense and to be honest with you i think most doctors and scientists know that. I think pharmaceutical companies are hoping the general public will just accept it because if you don't think about it to hard it looks like it could make sense.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama

Well that was just rather ridiculous. Who ever said that artficial sweetners were a poison? I believe they will contribute to health problems and deteriorating conditions, but not that you'll die right now from them. They are taking the extreme on all of this. Talk about fancy wording with the organic one too. The foods themselves aren't making people sick, but the pestcide applications are.

I think tooooooooooo many people are going in extreme directions with the vax/autism connection. Some want to say all autism is caused by vaccines. Not true. The reverse is saying that no autism is caused by vaccines. Same old baloney, different day.

: And also to the post above.

Whenever I bring up things that hurt our health I get the same reaction from family and friends "well I did it and I'm still alive" as if only death (and widespread no less) is the issue here. What about quality of life?

[1littlebit]

the other thing i have noticed is that people are really turned off by the idea that pharm companies are spreading diseases through vaccines..now i don't know a lot about that but i was reading something the other day and people were making comments about how stupid and paranoid it is not to vax and there were some snarky comments about the gov. giving everyone chicken pox through vaccines... now i don't know if they think the idea of pharmaceutical companies or the gov spreading an illness is so absurd they would never believe it or they don't think there is any difference between the chicken pox and swine flu or something... i see a difference.. i wouldn't believe someone had engineered chicken pox to give to anyone either... well i might ... but it would take a lot .. it is not as hard for me to believe that the flu is spread that way.. i think they are two totally different things.

[benj]

i think people when they look at anything to do with vaccines and autism, have the misconception that people who want safer vaccines think that vaccines inherently cause autism. we vaxed and our son is on the spectrum.

[ZoeyZoo]

Originally Posted by 1littlebit

the other thing i have noticed is that people are really turned off by the idea that pharm companies are spreading diseases through vaccines..now i don't know a lot about that but i was reading something the other day and people were making comments about how stupid and paranoid it is not to vax and there were some snarky comments about the gov. giving everyone chicken pox through vaccines... now i don't know if they think the idea of pharmaceutical companies or the gov spreading an illness is so absurd they would never believe it or they don't think there is any difference between the chicken pox and swine flu or something... i see a difference.. i wouldn't believe someone had engineered chicken pox to give to anyone either... well i might ... but it would take a lot .. it is not as hard for me to believe that the flu is spread that way.. i think they are two totally different things.

Actually this is true and can be verified on the CDC website. In the OPV vax the monkeys they they cultured the vax on had a virus called SV40 which causes cancer in humans. Thus the vaxes had SV40 in them. This is part of the risk you get when you inject foreign DNA/RNA/proteins - you can be injected with stuff the animal had that were not screened for. This particular instance is known and happened for 10 years without the manufacturer, CDC, etc doing anything about it.

[honeybunch2k8]

Originally Posted by 1littlebit

the other thing i have noticed is that people are really turned off by the idea that pharm companies are spreading diseases through vaccines..now i don't know a lot about that but i was reading something the other day and people were making comments about how stupid and paranoid it is not to vax and there were some snarky comments about the gov. giving everyone chicken pox through vaccines... now i don't know if they think the idea of pharmaceutical companies or the gov spreading an illness is so absurd they would never believe it or they don't think there is any difference between the chicken pox and swine flu or something... i see a difference.. i wouldn't believe someone had engineered chicken pox to give to anyone either... well i might ... but it would take a lot .. it is not as hard for me to believe that the flu is spread that way.. i think they are two totally different things.

I suggest these people read a book and fast!!!
They give people all kinds of viruses thru vaccines, like sv40 and ,heck, AIDS. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the govt and SSMerck were injecting people with mutant chx pox. The truth is giving inoculations is a wonderful way to experiment on people b/c people will willfully line up for jabs, parts of Africa like Uganda where they give vaxes by gunpoint-cuz they know something up with the usaid and others are giving vaccines for generally benign diseases like measles.


Also keep in mind that George Merck worked under Roosevelt making bioweapons. Knowing that I know longer am surprised that people drop dead from Merck products.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by ZoeyZoo

Actually this is true and can be verified on the CDC website. In the OPV vax the monkeys they they cultured the vax on had a virus called SV40 which causes cancer in humans. Thus the vaxes had SV40 in them. This is part of the risk you get when you inject foreign DNA/RNA/proteins - you can be injected with stuff the animal had that were not screened for. This particular instance is known and happened for 10 years without the manufacturer, CDC, etc doing anything about it.

yup to that!

What gets me is that anyone thinks viruses and other pathogens are filtered out of the vaccines...only a tiny minute amount of crap that is in there is filtered out because they only filter out particles that are bigger than viruses...vaccines contain viruses (some do anyway) on purpose so they can't filter out anything smaller than a virus or it defeats the purpose...this is why IMO most vaccines are contaminated. The ones that use cell cultures of monkeys, cheicken eggs, other animals or human cloned cells are definitely contaminated with viruses and DNA and RNA and what manufacturers call "degredation products" AKA parts of decayed viruses or cells. Also there could be hundreds of pathogens in there....they only test for those that have been identified. There are hundreds of pathogens that are unknown and unstudied.

Janine Roberst talks about this in her book. She gives a link to a manufacturer that stated in 2000 about their mmr vax

"Measles vaccine bulk is an unpurified product whose potency is measured through a biological assay for the active substance rather than through the evaluation of integrity of physical form. Degredation products are neither identified nor quantified"

Ok dokey...so they admit they only check the vaccine for obvious contaminants.

Also the method that manufacturers use to check for pathogens is the PCR test. This test identifies small DNA fragments but they cannot be identified unless they are found to be identical to a fragment that has PROVED to be unique to a pathogen. PCR cannot prove a vaccine is pure.

A negative PCR signal could be obtained when the total batch (of 10 litres) still contained 106 undetected viral particals

I checked the references that she provided in her book for both of these statements and it says that they have "been removed".....

[tessie]

Originally Posted by honeybunch2k8

I suggest these people read a book and fast!!!
They give people all kinds of viruses thru vaccines, like sv40 and ,heck, AIDS. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the govt and SSMerck were injecting people with mutant chx pox. The truth is giving inoculations is a wonderful way to experiment on people b/c people will willfully line up for jabs, parts of Africa like Uganda where they give vaxes by gunpoint-cuz they know something up with the usaid and others are giving vaccines for generally benign diseases like measles.

You really believe that the Government is giving people AIDS via vaccinations? Really?

[faerierose]

Originally Posted by tessie

You really believe that the Government is giving people AIDS via vaccinations? Really?

I think she was referring to the theory that the HIV virus was able to jump from chimpanzees too humans via a polio vaccine developed in central Africa using chimpanzee tissue.

[tayndrewsmama]

Originally Posted by faerierose

I think she was referring to the theory that the HIV virus was able to jump from chimpanzees too humans via a polio vaccine developed in central Africa using chimpanzee tissue.

And really.....how hard would that be to believe anyway? If people got sick from the bird flu by having contact with them, you'd have to be able to figure out that injecting parts of that same bird into your body would lead to illness as well.

[caro113]

I totally agree with all your responses. Autism isn't the only reason we don't vax. And btw - it took several court cases and many many years for them to finally say that cigarettes caused cancer, before they would admit that they knew it all along.

You have to look at the article, though. Fox? Seriously? Now you should know better than to trust anything that comes from there

Here's an interesting question though: If vaccines didn't help cause autism, then why is there a government fund set up to help victims injured by DTP? (I think they have DTaP now? so they don't actually use that one anymore, but that's really not my point.)

But I will say this: We didn't have all these cancers and neurological disorders before we started eating unhealthy food and taking any medicine the dr ordered, before drugs were used routinely during child birth, before vaccines were considered normal, before we started using harsh chemicals in ever cleaning product, before breastfeeding was seen as something odd and unnecessary thanks to the wonders of formula, before processed foods full of unnecessary starch, sugars, dyes for both adults and children (jarred baby food, those gerber graduate things). These problems hardly existed - if at all - before we started manipulating every aspect of our environment. So do I think vaccines cause autism? Yes, to an extent. Obviously there is something sex linked with autism and I believe vaccines help trigger that light to come on, so to speak. Help They are just a contributing factor, just like harsh chemicals, drugs in general, too many artificial food dyes, flavors, sugars.

[claddaghmom]

I think this whole sensitivity surrounding the autism/vaccine connection is smoke and distraction.

Everyone who freaks at the idea of Autism being a factor can easily understand that smoking 'causes' cancer despite there being plenty of people who smoked their entire life without getting cancer.

I don't believe anyone for a second when they say they don't understand this concept. If smoking can be condemned as 'bad' and 'toxic' despite not causing every single smoker to drop dead of cancer, then the same can be said for vaccines.


What a hypocritical two-faced culture we are.

[carriebft]

some links to beat back HIV/ Polio myth- I have more if anyone else wants to read them:

http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAb...102243766.html

Applying these methods to both the gag and env trees, we estimated the time of origin of the HIV-1 Main (M) group to be near 1930, with 95% CIs essentially spanning the period from 1910 to 1950.

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmart.../Worobey04.pdf

This ‘OPV/AIDS theory’ claims that chimpanzees
from the vicinity of Stanleyville —
now Kisangani in the Democratic Republic
of Congo — were the source of a simian
immunodeficiency virus (SIVcpz) that was
transmitted to humans when chimpanzee
tissues were allegedly used in the preparation
of OPV6,7. Here we show that SIVcpz
is indeed endemic in wild chimpanzees of
this region but that the circulating virus is
phylogenetically distinct from all strains of
HIV-1, providing direct evidence that these
chimpanzees were not the source of the
human AIDS pandemic.
(much more in that one)

[tayndrewsmama]

eh...nevermind.