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post #1 of 17
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Hi

Baby is 8 months old this week. I've had some strange anxiety for awhile now. I scored a low 40s on that quiz.

I'm very obviously stressed and that is part of what is going on.

Here's a list of things that have happened during my pregnancy/since DS's birth
--We moved (this is a good thing, I wanted it, same town)

--My mom now lives with us. (helpful, but has its challenges, and I really can't even discuss it with DH because mom will undoubtedly overhear. Which he and i are not comfortable with and her MO is to then not speak to me for days)

--My dad passed away in August last year after a few weeks in and out of hospital and nursing home.

--My son was born in November.

--Three weeks later, my grandmother passed away after a very brief illness. I really honestly did not expect it, and we were close.

--Not a real issue to me, but for my mom, who I'm positive is also depressed and realistically, she has been for YEARS, IMO, like my entire lifetime, is that my grandmother's sister and my mom's cousin who she grew up with like a brother both passed away in the last month.
(I mean, yes these were people I knew and had some good memories of, but from when I was little, or many years ago. Not people I was close to, who knew us now, my children, etc. These were people my mom was fairly close to, at least for a lot of her lifetime.)


If this helps anyone in advising, I took some Prolamine Iodine at the advice of my CPM....however, I think I stayed on it too long or I'm sensitive to Iodine, or something happened, because I had a major panic reaction that caused me to seek medical attention. Bloodwork showed my thyroid was off, I was told this was the cause, and told to stop taking the Iodine, which I did. Repeat bloodwork shows my thyroid as normal. Not at all borderline either.
So, I prefer to leave that alone.
This is not something my CPM necessarily agrees with, but it's ultimately MY body and MY decision. I remember her telling me this iodine was meant to be a temporary thing, that I would eventually wean off it. I remember realizing at the time the panic stuff happened that I'd been taking it for over six months. I take some responsibility in not maintaining contact with the midwife about when to wean down. That kind of got lost in the shuffle of funerals and new-baby-life. (I will also admit I read the bottle, it had different recommendations than what she was giving me, and I did not feel comfortable with the high dose, so I lowered it myself to the bottle's recommendation probably a month before this happened.)

So, we are at today. It's been nearly 3 months since the real panic attack type episodes. (There were 2.) I also had an incident about two months ago now where a friend of mine stopped speaking to me over something another person claims I said--that I did not say. Yes, this was a friend of 8 years. Yes, I was extremely upset by the fact that I was calling her just to see "what was up" a normal everyday call and I was blindsided by this accusation. Yes, I was upset that she refused to speak to me after that, answer any calls, anything, after telling me XYZ was going on and she would call me later.

But the intensity of the reaction I had was well, uncalled for. What I see it as now is during both of the deaths that happened last year, I really couldn't "lose it"--I had my children with me, I had my oldest needing an explanation of death, I HAD to keep it 'together' to do this. And I had my mom, who lost her husband and her mom and I felt like I had to keep it together for her. And I did.
The way I reacted to losing this friend, you all would have thought somebody died. It was like I could finally express all of that upset. Now, I had an excuse, something that nobody in the house but ME was upset about, nobody was needing me to keep it together. So I finally "lost it" for a couple days.

And there was the birth--my home waterbirth I wanted. I expected it to be like DD, fast. It was my longest pushing session at 2 hours. (I had TWENTY MINUTES with my other two.) I had a lip. MW's way of dealing with that was to push it out of the way of my baby's head. Which was INCREDIBLY INCREDIBLY painful. I did not have my doula who I had present at my other two births. When I told her about it, I cried. I said something like "you know me, you know I don't do birth drugs. I BEGGED BEGGED for drugs."
I had no idea what to do in this situation. I had no preparation.
(but the after-time at home made it SO WORTH IT. I'm not speaking against homebirth AT ALL.)
To top that off, I have only talked about the reality of that with a couple close friends and my doula.
Any other time I have talked about this birth, I have mentioned the lip and blown it off with "that's a part I could've done without" I'm active in a group trying to change laws for homebirth in my state, so I feel like I really have to downplay it.
And it is NOT in any way shape or form a criticism or complaint of HOMEBIRTH. but it could so easily be seen that way that I leave it alone.


SO........let's get back to today. The panic episodes were related to driving, so I now have anxiety related to the fear that it might happen again. I'm only just now beginning, if I really focus on positive-feeling, to not be anxious when I have to merge onto the interstate. (when I have screaming children with me, I avoid it sometimes)

My baby is fabulous and I adore him. He is the happiest baby I've ever had the pleasure of knowing.

I'm extremely irritated by noise....I used to be a preschool assistant, I KNOW noisy children! Only on the worst of the worst days did I really need to get away from it for my breaks.
Now, my two children fighting along with the TV being on (and my mom does put it a bit loud) is enough to make me absolutely INSANE. This is unusual for me.

My older kids unfortunately bear the brunt of Mommy's irritation. Not that I would ever in a million years hurt them, but I have little patience and I find myself snapping at them about things that I've dealt with a million times worse in the classroom and had tons of patience for. in fact, I was known for calm and patience. WHERE IS IT NOW?

The thing that has me wanting to seek answers is I keep reading all these GD type books and I WANT to be that way, I DO, I REALLY DO....and then I find myself telling my 4 year old to shut up...because I just can't handle the chatter on top of the TV on top of the baby crying and an adult trying to talk to me at the same time! I WANT to be different, I KNOW what I need to do and when it's coming down to it, I can't.

It does sometimes seem to be getting better, then I have days that are not so great again.

I've been afraid to even admit to it or talk to anyone out of fear that somebody will tell me that I should stop breastfeeding to take a medication, stop cosleeping so I can sleep, and put all the kids in daycare and go to work to get away from them.

That is NOT what I need. I've BEEN a working mom, I KNOW that life is more stressful than what I have now thank you. (for me. I'm not speaking for anyone else's choices.) And in all reality, if I didn't breastfeed and cosleep, I'd be getting a lot LESS sleep. (Done that too with my first)

I've finally found a place that will do free counseling, they will be calling me tomorrow. (I have insurance but can't afford the copay for several appointments.)

I want to know what vitamin and diet changes I could make that might help me out. Given what happened with the Iodine, I am not real comfortable with a supplement like that. I just started taking my prenatal again. (dropped it with the iodine pills, thought I should eliminate all excess iodine for a little while.)

I don't want to go a medication route if I can at all avoid it. I've also heard that many are not safe with breastfeeding, and some, even though they say they probably are, can react in some babies. I don't want to do that if I can resolve this with diet changes and something like a B vitamin maybe?
post #2 of 17
I have started taking Reliv. Not cheap, but seems to be helping. I can feel a difference when I remember to take it.

You can pm me and I can give you more info.
post #3 of 17
I second AngelBee about Reliv. Members of my family have taken it as like the results they get.

Another "fastfood" health food is Vega, a nutritional supplement that is complete with vegan protein, omega 3's (great for mood), greens, antioxidants, digestive enzymes and probiotics. It's very healthy and safe for pregnancy, nursing, even kids can take it as long as there is no allergy issue with the ingredients. It's not cheap either, but it looks like it replaces meals when taken as a shake, so it cuts out the need for the groceries for that meal anyway. The berry one tasted better than chocolate to me, if it helps

A B vitamin complex is something I do take and feel better when I do, as well as magnesium and calcium supplements (supports your nerves). Herbal tinctures and homeopathy has been helpful, too and Rescue Remedy for anxiety is so helpful for me!!!
Hope you feel better soon
post #4 of 17
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What's this Rescue Remedy? Is it the same stuff some people use with their toddlers to help them sleep? (I have heard of soemtihng in that context)

Omega 3's----so if I start taking fish oil again will that change things? cause I could/would totally.

I've really improved my diet overall but I still have some major fallbacks into sugar-land.

Will starting my prenatal again help? Should I switch? Should I simply buy some cal-mag (which I've heard before actually LOL my friend is into Shaklee, apparently her mom calls that one B---rhymes with witch, be gone ) and b12?
post #5 of 17
Hugs peaceful_mama!

I take Genesis - Calmag formula 2 at night before bedtime and take a New chapter one a day multi vitamin + Orti B Vitamin B capsule to keep my mood level up. I'm deficient in all these vitamins and if I miss one pill one day, I see big difference in my mood levels.

All these can be had while breastfeeding.
post #6 of 17
Try to get 1000 mg of EPA from fish oil. I use Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega but there are a few different brands. I also take magnesium citrate for my migraines. It helps with muscle tension and anxiety. You have gotten some recommendations for Cal-mag, but I eat so much dairy that I don't need the magnesium. Just make sure the "mag" is magnesium citrate.

You sound like you have great coping skills and you have had some very real reasons to be anxious and moody. The situation you are describing with your friend seems very upsetting. I am not sure you even over-reacted, actually. Having a family member living with you is extremely stressful. I think you should try to take care of yourself for a little while before you continue your quest to be the perfect parent I am convinced that my PPD was aggravated by my new obsession with eating perfectly whole, from-scratch food. You sound like a great mama and all those GD books and threads and forums can really make you feel inadequate! You wouldn't be searching out the material if you weren't already a great mama. I think that figuring out strategies for making your home calmer and quieter may help you be more GD. But you didn't ask for advice about that. Oops! My mood fixers: Fish oil, magnesium, cutting out the sugar and increasing protein!
post #7 of 17
Rescue Remedy is a flower essence remedy. Here is a link to learn more about it. I have used it to help my kids calm down after getting hurt or in shock (and for me when I get that high stress feeling) and I notice it helps. In some cases, it helps more noticeably than others, but it hasn't failed me yet. It's great b/c it's so natural; it is in an alcohol base, but you can put it in a little warm water and let it sit a minute and it lets *some* of the alcohol evaporate off, if that's an issue for someone.

Like pp wrote, a good multivitamin, even a prenatal, is perfect for making up for some of those nutritional gaps. I would consider that a minimum and a good first step toward feeling better and taking care of oneself. Fish oil is easy to take in capsule form, and extra B vitamin complex and calcium/mag are easy to find at most pharmacies over the counter. Like other people said I have found myself taking this during and after pregnancy, and though it is not a cure-all, I certainly feel better taking them than not taking them. Trust what your body tells ya, I say.

If going off sugar entirely is too much at this time (be kind to yourself ), maybe limit sugar to dark chocolate, which is usually very low in sugar and good for mood, and fruits and avoid the refined flour-type stuff like Ding Dongs and donuts, etc. I know allowing myself some feeling of "reward" keeps me going on the bad days (something to look forward to), and it can feel good to think that the reward I give myself has something in it that is good for me (rather than something to feel guilty about). I like chocolate for this, but you may find something else to do that for ya. Maybe experiment with non-food emotional rewards for yourself, like a bath alone or taking a quiet walk?

post #8 of 17
peaceful_mama, you are not alone, it is not your fault, you will be well. Singing this to myself was great medicine when I was first facing having PPD. You are not yourself right now, as you've stated, and I am so glad I found your post to first congratulate you for telling us and for reaching out for help.
Here's what's been most helpful for me in order of helpfulness.
1. this sounds weird, but it has been SOOOO helpful: I have been carving out little vitamin-sized chunks of my frozen placenta and swallowing about every two hours upon suggestion of my midwife. It is a bit creepy, but really since it if frozen, it is just like taking any other vitamin, just colder. I carve off bits and wrap them individually in tin foil to make frequency easy. Humans are the only mammmal that doesn't eat our placentas after birth. It contains hormones and nutrients that apparently I needed!
2. talking to a third party - counselor who has experience witgh motherhood and PPD
3. books on PPD, especially "This isn't what I expected". Many self-help ideas and just a lot of compassion.
4. homeopathic remedy - pulsatilla
5. herbs - skullcap
Feel free to ask more about any of these. I am not a doctor or professional. Just a mama on the road to wellness herself. Hugs!
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by greenthumb3 View Post
Rescue Remedy is a flower essence remedy. Here is a link to learn more about it. I have used it to help my kids calm down after getting hurt or in shock (and for me when I get that high stress feeling) and I notice it helps. In some cases, it helps more noticeably than others, but it hasn't failed me yet. It's great b/c it's so natural; it is in an alcohol base, but you can put it in a little warm water and let it sit a minute and it lets *some* of the alcohol evaporate off, if that's an issue for someone.

Like pp wrote, a good multivitamin, even a prenatal, is perfect for making up for some of those nutritional gaps. I would consider that a minimum and a good first step toward feeling better and taking care of oneself. Fish oil is easy to take in capsule form, and extra B vitamin complex and calcium/mag are easy to find at most pharmacies over the counter. Like other people said I have found myself taking this during and after pregnancy, and though it is not a cure-all, I certainly feel better taking them than not taking them. Trust what your body tells ya, I say.

If going off sugar entirely is too much at this time (be kind to yourself ), maybe limit sugar to dark chocolate, which is usually very low in sugar and good for mood, and fruits and avoid the refined flour-type stuff like Ding Dongs and donuts, etc. I know allowing myself some feeling of "reward" keeps me going on the bad days (something to look forward to), and it can feel good to think that the reward I give myself has something in it that is good for me (rather than something to feel guilty about). I like chocolate for this, but you may find something else to do that for ya. Maybe experiment with non-food emotional rewards for yourself, like a bath alone or taking a quiet walk?


you are funny.....I have a 4 1/2 year old, 2 1/2 year old and newly-mobile baby. DH works 4PM to late-night. He gets up around 10 AM. Leaves here 2:30ish for work.
Kids do NOT listen to my mom, who lives with us. In fact, mom and I argued just this afternoon because I informed her YET AGAIN that my kids *can't!* be at the little playground here by themselves. (by order of management)

Yes, it is visible from our porch--but to give you a clue how visible, my mom was mad because several neighborhood kids informed her my DD (2) was peeing on the playground. IE--you can see them, but not really what they are doing. And i'm just not cool with especially the 2 year old being that far away alone.

I have asked her several times to come in and tell me if something happens and I need to run after them or something.

tonight I was in the bath with the baby when this happened.

And THEN--SHE gets mad at ME because I said that from now on, *I* would watch them outside. Because *obviously* if several neighborhood kids have to tell her DD is peeing on the playground she's not even supposed to BE AT alone, well, there's a problem.

(she's constantly mad at me lately. that's another post.)

This is typical of everyday life at my house. Constant stress. Kids are FINALLY starting to listen to me as I have gotten more firm and consistent with discipline (in other words I am no longer nursing QUITE 24/7)

the counseling place never called back. And that's OK because I don't know when I'd go anyway. I'll have to find somewhere else to vent. So...here I am.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by peaceful_mama View Post
you are funny.....I have a 4 1/2 year old, 2 1/2 year old and newly-mobile baby. DH works 4PM to late-night. He gets up around 10 AM. Leaves here 2:30ish for work.
Kids do NOT listen to my mom, who lives with us. In fact, mom and I argued just this afternoon because I informed her YET AGAIN that my kids *can't!* be at the little playground here by themselves. (by order of management)

Yes, it is visible from our porch--but to give you a clue how visible, my mom was mad because several neighborhood kids informed her my DD (2) was peeing on the playground. IE--you can see them, but not really what they are doing. And i'm just not cool with especially the 2 year old being that far away alone.

I have asked her several times to come in and tell me if something happens and I need to run after them or something.

tonight I was in the bath with the baby when this happened.

And THEN--SHE gets mad at ME because I said that from now on, *I* would watch them outside. Because *obviously* if several neighborhood kids have to tell her DD is peeing on the playground she's not even supposed to BE AT alone, well, there's a problem.

(she's constantly mad at me lately. that's another post.)

This is typical of everyday life at my house. Constant stress. Kids are FINALLY starting to listen to me as I have gotten more firm and consistent with discipline (in other words I am no longer nursing QUITE 24/7)

the counseling place never called back. And that's OK because I don't know when I'd go anyway. I'll have to find somewhere else to vent. So...here I am.
Ugh! I understand where you are at in your life. I have a 6 yo, 4 yo, 2 yo and am 5 months along with my fourth. My DH's work schedule has gotten better, but when my third was born, he worked *all* the time. No family around then to help me, and the women I knew just weren't the kind to involve themselves in my real life and help me, well, except the one good friend I had. This must be really hard for you right now.

FWIW, I had my own meltdown moment today and that high stress feeling (like my eye balls were going to explode, like I was going to start yelling and screaming and smacking whatever was closest to me!!), and took TWO droppersful of Rescue Remedy, and within about 10 minutes, and a hot bowl of soup, I was breathing calmer, able to think again, and get my brain straight about what I needed to do next. It didn't make everything all better, but whatever works for that moment, in that moment, I go with. Do what you can to be kind to yourself, even if the bath is impossible today. You are supported and understood here. :
post #11 of 17

I want to *hug* *hug* HUG you!

I would love to hug you- since I totally recognize where you are coming from. I had a REALLY tough time after the birth of my second daughter. I suffered PPD- but it was not like the depression I experienced in college or high school where I would cry and feel sad or lethargic and lay around. It was anxious and sprinkled with bouts of rage directed often toward my children. I would also struggle with extreme guilt after screaming at my babies. I felt so out of control... I was new to owning a home, so I felt constantly overwhelmed by the responsibilities that came with it- and then I had a sickly newborn baby who would not tolerate being put down and a 2 year old who was an angel. Hubby works same evening hours as yours- so I was solo at bedtime and it did not go well.

Anyhow- I went to a naturopath and she got me eating a high protein diet, taking a b complex, fish oil and something called 5 htp. That combo helped me a great deal with the anxiety and calmed my brain down a bit.
We just welcomed baby # 3 (a boy, a sweet sweet boy!) I am starting to feel little crazy. He is 6 wks today. It is the older kids and their not listening etc. that is driving me mad... but really it is not them. It is me.

My MW said that I should meditate so that I have a calmer self to call on when it gets too noisy- (you know- baby crying, 2 year old screaming and peeing her pants 4 year old singing at the top of her lungs the same three words over and over and then my sweet hubby asks where the paper towels are and you finally freak and scream at him. whew. That has happened too many times. )

I want to use GD but I am so angry inside.
God bless us all as we figure this all out.
I love my babies and want to enjoy them. I want never to grab them in an aggressive way or scream at them. I want to be healed of all my past transgressions against them.
I am sending you hopeful thoughts.
We can be calm mama- we can be peaceful.

Good luck!
post #12 of 17

The best cure for PPD...

The best cure for PPD is a support network af mammas who are positive and happy.
I went to a MOPS (mothers of preschoolers) meeting and mad a ton of friends. They really helped me.
post #13 of 17
Check out my post here, how I used Zoloft for 5 months +, then weaned off completlely onto natural remedies. My baby is now over 9 months old....But I cannot stop taking my fish oil, ect or I am in trouble! Each one of the basics in my regime is vital to my mental health. Vitamin D, Country Life Omega 3 Mood, Magnesium, High Potency High b COmplex Multivitamin. I have tweaked the dosages, ect, but this is a very good starting point......

..http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...&postcount=582


The Country Life Omega 3 Mood is vitally important to mood health, and it is easy on the pocketbook as well as being high quality.
post #14 of 17
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I got some cal-mag (mag citrate) and Norwegian fish oil from a HFS here...WOW. What an improvement!

thought about a B vit. but am nervous about the fact that the dosages are so high on all the ones I've looked at--several thousand percent daily value. I do NOT want to overdo anything.
post #15 of 17
I was on True Hope vitamins for a long time and it really helped. Check out their site www.truehope.com

post #16 of 17
Wow, so great to come here and find other mamas who have been in a similar place. I JUST posted a question about vitamins/supplements for depression on the "I'm Pregnant" board. I've yet to experience PPD, but have really been struggling with depression the last year and understand I am more at risk for PPD this time around. I was JUST about to start on an anti-depressant when we found out I was pg again, so I decided to wait on it, not knowing if it was safe to take. (The rx was for Effexor, which IS apparently safe while pg.)

Anyhow, I'm hoping to make it to a really great natural foods store today and will pick up some vitamins/supplements. From what I've read, the following is helpful:
- Fish oil (Would this be in addition to an Omega 3?)
- Vitamin D
- Maybe a B6 or B12?

Is this right? Am I missing anything?

I've been feeling SO poorly the last couple of days ... want to lay on the couch much of the time. Not exactly conducive to getting out and exercising or even just getting some fresh air. I really hate feeling like this. And there is NO reason for it ... it just IS. Ugh.

Thanks,
Rebekah @ 14 weeks w/ LB#3
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