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post #1 of 69
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my beautiful ella rose was born almost 21 months ago by c-section after a blissful, healthy pregnancy. i did not get to hold her (read:bf her) for 4.5 hours after she was born, so im guessing her poor gut flora never had a chance. i received 1 dose of antibiotics after the cord was cut in the DR and 2 doses of rhogam, once before and once after she was born (rhogam is given to moms who are negative bloodtype if their babies are/could be positive blood type).
i noticed her reflux immediately, as in the first day of her miraculous and pain-filled life. i could hear it coming up her throat, but the nurses told me it wasnt possible for her to have developed reflux so early. i bf her constantly, but she had a very weak latch and looked jaundiced so i caved and gave her formula via sns, 2 ounces per day the first week. the last time i gave it to her during that time frame, she projectile vomited it onto the floor.
i took that as a sign to remove all dairy and soy from my diet and continued ebf her. her horrible sleep and colic continued and worsened while i kept removing things that i thought might be triggers. the blood specks in her poop showed up around 2 months and stayed until roughly 4 months. her poops were daily, soft and bright yellow. she was still gaining weight, but had to be held and walked by me all the time. we barely slept, despite cosleeping.
i made bad choices regarding her care, which i would sacrifice limbs if i could to take them back. i allowed her to be vaccinated until 6 months and i introduced solids at 6 months, after literally fighting with my family, dh and ella's ped GI(s), ped allergist and pediatrician (s). things got obviously worse, but even when i pulled the solids and went back to ebf, the damage had been done. she alternated between constipation and loose, clumpy poops. i even tried giving her elemental formulas and drinking them myself, in hopes of calming her torturous nights filled with constant waking and hysterical crying (sometimes i think she's having night terrors also, definately bad dreams, sometimes leg pain, sometimes reflux). i tried neocate, elecare, alimentum, progestamil and eo28 splash - grape.
in december, we treated yeast with fluconazole and it was hell. she woke all the time, sitting up in her sleep with the reflux and was so irritable. we both started low dose naltrexone 3 months ago to try to offset the immune response to allergens. we have also both tried gastrocrom.
i had never noticed any food allergies or intols in myself until after ella's birth. i now have ana allergies to some detergents, hemp seeds, pecans and whatever publix uses on their fruits and veggies. my first reaction was to detergent 5 weeks after ella was born and my face and throat swelled so horribly i was unrecognizable. since that time, i have noticed intolerances to more and more foods with symptoms of bloating, discomfort, loose stools, acute depression and anger and itchy/stinging throat and mouth.
last october-january, my eosinophil count sored to 5221 (normal range 40-400) and this resolved on its own possibly after i removed cod liver oil from my daily supp regimine. we were never really positive what caused that. lately too i have reacted to b12 injections with severe migraines, depression and anger issues. whome provided me with links discussing the connection between negative reactions to synthetic b12 and metal toxicity (some metals like mercury bind with the methyl groups from b12 and create more toxic, more mobile metals).
recently, ella's urine organic acids testing came back pretty rotten, with 2 markers for celiac, 5 for yeast and multiple for clostridia and vit/min defs.
ill include the results in the next post. we also have our urine porphyrins test back, which shows lead poisoning unless im mistaken. the test results are a bit confusing and i have my appt with my ped to have it all explained on wednesday. feel free to offer any input on these.
we've done gut healing measures as much as possible, but there is a lot that ella doesnt tolerate or i dont ( like clo, bone broths, liver, coconut oil, many many nutrient-dense foods). i have tons of supps and have just stopped taking a lot of them in the past two weeks since the b12 reactions. right now i am taking sodium ascorbate, coq10, biotin, molybdenum, vit d, gelatin, nac and l-glutathione. we both take epsoms baths nightly. i drink a bunch of water kefir, i have roughly a tsp of raw honey and eat fermented fennel daily. i sometimes have a glass of organic, sulfite free, vegan red wine with dinner.
i basically eat broc, caulif, sweet pots, pumpkin seeds, walnuts, evoo, sea salt and bananas daily. i randomly rotate in grassfed chicken, beef and eggs, wild salmon and tilapia, avocados, red bell peppers and asparagus.
ella is currently eating sweet pots, bananas, puffed brown rice, white potatoes (all organic) and wild salmon. she has dark circles and 2 hives right now. yesterday she had diarrhea 6 times from some asparagus that i gave her. ill pull the salmon next, but you can see my problem.
we have, i believe, lost all safe foods. she is sleeping for a few hours here and there, divided by hours of thrashing around in my arms or hyperactivity. she always wakes screaming. her poops are undigested, soft and not brown.
she is happy a lot and she is brilliant! she can almost count to 20, she can say the alphabet and recognizes numbers 1-10, some letters and some words. she speaks in sentences most of the time. she is social and loving, with great eye contact and interaction. she is like my little shattered heart walking around outside of my body.
i dont even know what im asking of you, just anything you can think of i guess. i love you all and will always remember your kindness to me during this time.
post #2 of 69
Thread Starter 
organic acids test - it gives the normal range and hers is next
citramalic 0.0 - 2 .0 2.28 H
5-hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 0.0 - 80 .0 157.03 H
3-oxoglutaric 0.0 - 0 .5 2.97 H
furan-2,5-dicarboxylic 0.0 - 50 .0 64.44 H
furancarbonylglycine 0.0 - 60 .0 0.25
tartaric 0.0 - 16 .0 1.34
arabinose 0.0 - 47 .0 69.22 H
carboxycitric 0.0 - 46 .0 0.85
Bacterial
2-hydroxyphenylacetic 0.0 - 10 .0 0.65
4-hydroxyphenylacetic 0.0 - 50 .0 69.20 H
HPHPA 0.0 - 150 .0 603.43 H
VMA analog 0.0 - 31 .0 5.45
Oxalate Related
glyceric 0.0 - 10 .0 5.86
glycolic 0.0 - 100 .0 15.07
oxalic 0.0 - 37 .0 109.29 H
Glycolysis
lactic 0.0 - 100 .0 63.41
pyruvic 0.0 - 50 .0 53.44 H
2-hydroxybutyric 0.0 - 2 .0 1.51
Krebs Cycle
succinic 0.0 - 20 .0 88.83 H
fumaric 0.0 - 10 .0 37.27 H
2-oxo-glutaric 15.0 - 200 .0 180.96
aconitic 0.0 - 25 .0 80.94 H
citric 180.0 - 560 .0 2165.29 H
Neurotransmitters
HVA 0.0 - 28 .6 10.98
VMA 0.0 - 12 .7 9.96
5-hydroxyindoleacetic 0.0 - 20 .0 0.47
Pyrimidines
uracil 0.0 - 22 .0 7.02
thymine 0.0 - 2 .0 0.64
3-hydroxybutyric 0.0 - 10 .0 83.28 H
acetoacetic 0.0 - 10 .0 70.41 H
ethylmalonic 0.0 - 10 .0 9.96
methylsuccinic 0.0 - 5 .0 4.97
adipic 0.0 - 12 .0 22.45 H
suberic 0.0 - 2 .0 5.84 H
sebacic 0.0 - 2 .0 0.65
Toxic Indicators
pyroglutamic 20.0 - 115 .0 34.56
orotic 0.0 - 3 .5 0.91
hydroxyhippuric 0.0 - 20 .0 0.76
Vitamin Indicators
methylmalonic 0.0 - 5 .0 6.52 H
ascorbic 10.0 - 200 .0 4.60 L
kynurenic 0.0 - 2 .0 0.56
methylcitric 0.0 - 12 .0 0.37
pyridoxic 2.0 - 26 .0 3.08
pantothenic 1.0 - 4 .0 8.08 H
Amino Acid Metabolites
2-hydroxyisovaleric 0.0 - 2 .0 1.09
2-oxoisovaleric 0.0 - 2 .0 0.52
3-methyl-2-oxovaleric 0.0 - 2 .0 1.52
hydroxyisocaproic 0.0 - 2 .0 0.72
2-oxoisocaproic 0.0 - 2 .0 1.11
2-oxo-4-methiolbutyric 0.0 - 2 .0 0.75
mandelic 0.0 - 5 .0 0.00
phenyllactic 0.0 - 2 .0 1.66
phenylpyruvic 0.0 - 5 .0 1.88
homogentisic 0.0 - 2 .0 1.69
4-hydroxyphenyllactic 0.0 - 50 .0 8.41
3-indoleacetic 0.0 - 10 .0 2.15
Miscellaneous
glutaric 0.0 - 2 .0 6.00 H
N-acetyl aspartic 0.0 - 100 .0 3.18
3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaric 0.0 - 36 .0 42.28 H
malonic 0.0 - 10 .0 2.46
methylglutaric 0.0 - 10 .0 1.56
hippuric 10.0 - 400 .0 2381.13 H
4-hydroxybutyric 0.0 - 5 .0 1.52
phenylcarboxylic 0.0 - 15 .0 0.18
indole-like compound 0.0 - 60 .0 8.26
Interpretation
Elevated yeast/fungal metabolites, indicating a yeast/fungal overgrowth of the gastrointestinal tract. Prescription or natural
(botanical) anti-fungals, along with supplementation of high potency multi-strain probiotics (20-50 billion cfu’s), may reduce
yeast/fungal levels. *
Increased 4-hydroxyphenylacetic acid, a tyrosine product of GI bacteria, is associated with bacterial overgrowth and small
bowel disease (Chalmers et al, Clin Chem 25:1791,1979). Elevated values may be associated with celiac disease. Suggest
supplementation with 20-30 billion cells per day of probiotics and evaluation for celiac disease.*
Increase in HPHPA [3-(3-hydroxyphenyl) 3-hydroxypropionic acid], an abnormal tyrosine metabolite produced by gastrointestinal
bacteria of Clostridia species, including C. difficile (organisms that cause diarrhea). This compound may have behavioral and/or
neurological effects. In most cases, Clostridia overgrowth can be controlled by supplementation, with 30 billion cells per day of
Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG (Culturelle) and/or 2-6 billion cfu’s of Saccharomyces boulardii. *
Elevated succinic acid may indicate a relative deficiency of riboflavin and/or coenzyme Q10 that are needed to supply cofactors for
succinic dehydrogenase in the Krebs cycle. Suggest supplementation with a minimum of 20mg riboflavin (which could be provided
through a high quality multivitamin) and/or 50mg per day of coenzyme Q10.
Elevated fumaric acid may be due to impaired Krebs cycle function or a defect of the enzyme fumarase.
Increased citric and aconitic acids. High citric and aconitic acids may be due to increased intake of citric acid-containing foods, or
as a result of intestinal yeast that either produce citric acid or perhaps inhibit the human citric acid cycle. Increased citric acid may
also indicate depletion of glutathione, which is required for the enzyme aconitase to metabolizes both aconitic and citric acids. If
pyroglutamic acid is also low, consider supplements of glutathione, n-acetylcysteine, or lipoic acid.
Low ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), indicating a dietary deficiency and/or increased utilization of antioxidants. Suggest supplementation
with 1000mg per day of buffered Vitamin C, divided into 2-3 doses. *
Pantothenic acid is one of the essential B vitamins. High pantothenic acid indicates high recent intake of pantothenic acid. Since
some individuals may require very high doses of pantothenic acid, high values do not necessarily indicate the need to reduce
pantothenic acid intake.
Increased acetoacetic and/or 3-hydroxybutyric acids. These ketones indicate increased metabolic utilization of fatty acids
associated with diabetes mellitus, fasting, dieting (ketogenic or SCD diet), or illness such as nausea or flu, among many other causes.
Increases in ethylmalonic, methylsuccinic, adipic, suberic, or sebacic acids may be due to fatty acid oxidation disorders, carnitine
deficiency, fasting, or to increased intake of the medium chain triglycerides found in coconut oil, MCT oil, and some infant formulas.
The fatty acid oxidation defects are associated with hypoglycemia, apnea episodes, lethargy, and coma. [The acyl carnitine profile
(Duke University Biochemical Genetics Laboratory 919-549-0445) can rule out fatty acid oxidation defects.] Regardless of cause,
supplementation with L-carnitine (500-1000mg per day) may be beneficial. *
Increased glutaric acid. This compound may be elevated in about 10% of children with autism. Causes can include glutaric
acidemias, fatty acid oxidation defects, riboflavin deficiency, ingestion of medium chain triglycerides, metabolic effects of valproic
acid (Depakene), and celiac disease. Glutaric academia type II, also called acyl-CoA dehydrogenase deficiency, caused by a defect
in one of the electron transport proteins, is associated with dysmorphic features, seizures, hypoglycemia, and developmental delay.
The probability of genetic disease is higher when values exceed 25mmol/mol creatinine. Regardless of the cause, supplementation of
riboflavin (20-50mg) and coenzyme Q10 (50mg per day) may be helpful. *
High oxalic acid and/or its conjugate base form oxalate may be found in the genetic hyperoxalurias, in autism, in women with vulvar
pain, in fibromyalgia, and may also be due to vitamin C overuse. However, kidney stones were not correlated with vitamin C intake in a
very large study. It is also a byproduct of molds such as Aspergillus and Penicillium and probably Candida. If yeast or fungal markers
are elevated, antifungal therapy may reduce excess oxalates. High oxalates may cause anemia that is difficult to treat, skin ulcers,
muscles pains, and heart abnormalities. Elevated oxalic acid is also found in anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) poisoning.
Oxalate values greater than 90 mmol/mol creatinine may be associated with concomitant increases in glyceric acid (values greater than
150 mmol/mol creatinine in hyperoxaluria type II) or glycolic acid (values greater than 100 mmoml/mol creatinine in hyperoxaluria
type I). Normal values of these other metabolites rule out these genetic causes of elevated oxalates.
Regardless of its source, high oxalic acid may cause kidney stones and may also reduce ionized calcium. Oxalic acid absorption from
the gastrointestinal tract may be reduced by supplementation with calcium citrate before meals. Vitamin B-6, arginine, vitamin E,
chondroitin sulfate, taurine, selenium, omega-3 fatty acids and N-acetyl glucosamine supplements may also be useful to reduce oxalates
and/or their toxicity. Excessive fats in the diet may cause elevated oxalate if the fatty acids are poorly absorbed because of bile salt
deficiency. Nonabsorbed free fatty acids bind calcium to form insoluble soaps, reducing calcium's ability to bind oxalate and increase
its absorption. If taurine is low in plasma amino acid profile, supplementation with taurine may help stimulate bile salt production
(taurocholic acid), leading to better fatty acid absorption and diminished oxalate absorption.
Bone tends to be the major repository of excess oxalate in patients with primary hyperoxaluria. Bone oxalate levels are negligible in
healthy subjects. Oxalate deposition in the skeleton tends to increase bone resorption and decrease osteoblast activity.
Oxalates may also be deposited in the kidneys, joints, eyes, muscles, blood vessels, brain, and heart and may contribute to muscle
pain in fibromyalgia. Oxalate crystal formation in the eyes may be a source of severe eye pain in individuals with autism who may
have eye-poking behaviors. High oxalates in the gastrointestinal tract also may significantly reduce absorption of essential metals
such as calcium, magnesium, zinc, and others.
A low oxalate diet may also be useful in the reduction of body oxalates even when dysbiosis is the major source of oxalates. Foods
especially high in oxalates include spinach, beets, chocolate, peanuts, wheat bran, tea, cashews, pecans, almonds, berries, and many
others. A complete list of high oxalate foods is available on the Internet at http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/eng/oxalates.asp.
Please Note: A new oxalate range based on the mean ± 2 standard deviations of normal individuals began August 22 ,2006. The
previous range was based on cutoff values for the diagnosis of genetic forms of hyperoxalurias. No change in the method
(GC/MS) has occurred.
Elevated hippuric acid. Hippuric acid is a conjugate of glycine and benzoic acid formed in the liver. Benzoic acid is derived from
byproducts of gastrointestinal bacteria and from the chemical solvent toluene. High values are most often due to dysbiosis
(abnormal microbial overgrowth). Benzoic acid is also a food preservative and present in high amounts in cranberry juice. The
workplace is the most common source of toluene exposure, but toluene may be absorbed from outgassing of new carpets and other
building materials or absorbed during recreational abuse of solvents such as glue-sniffing. Bacterial overgrowth can be treated with
natural anti-bacterial agents and/or 30-50 billion cfu’s of probiotics that include Lactobacillus rhamnosus. *
3-Hydroxy-3-methylglutaric acid is elevated in the genetic disease 3-hydroxy 3-methylglutaric aciduria. Typical values observed in
the genetic disease are 200-11,000mmol/mol creatinine. The cause of less significant increases in this compound is unknown.
Because yeast also produce this compound and yeast metabolites are frequently elevated with this compound, slight increases may be
yeast related.
Increased pyruvic acid. Pyruvic acid may be increased to this concentration by a number of nonspecific factors such as vigorous
exercise, bacterial overgrowth of the gastrointestinal tract, shock, poor perfusion, anemia and many other causes.
Methylmalonic acid is elevated in Vitamin B-12 deficiency, in defective absorption or transport of Vitamin B-12, and in the genetic
disease methylmalonic acidemia. Values greater than 100mmol/mol creatinine are more consistent with the genetic disease, while
lower values are more commonly associated with nutritional deficiencies. Supplementation with Vitamin B-12 may be beneficial.*
post #3 of 69
Thread Starter 
i cant copy and paste any of the urine porphyrins, but i will happily pm any of you interested in it. it is confusing because there are 2 different reference ranges for the porphyrin that ella is highest in. one calls 200 the max acceptable range and the next says that 400 is. her value pointing to lead poisoning is 440. i dont really understand the discrepancy.

im sorry, i realize this is way too much info!
post #4 of 69
Awww, bella Ella! You two have had such a rough go. I'm excited you started your thread. I'd love to see the porphyrin results. And hear what your doc says about them. Hugs!
post #5 of 69
Gotta say that labwork was 100% above my head.

Got a question--what's your situation like re: healthcare providers? You've got the DAN! pedi, is he also functioning as your doc? Who else have you got, and what other approaches can they take?

It seems like the two of you (please don't forget to take care of yourself, I can't imagine how stressful the past couple years have been, but taking care of yourself as you two heal together is really important, eh?)... lost my train of thought. But on a practical level, Ella's main input is you, between you being her primary caregiver and her main nutrition source. Obviously you're worth care and healing in your own regard, but for if you feel like taking the backseat.

Seems like you're going to need to combine the three sides of the health pyramid, with nutrition, structural work, and energy work. In terms of nutrition, I'm assuming your pedi will have ideas on nutritional supplements. For structural work, I was thinking CST and/or chiropractic, do you have someone? I think there are different varieties of structural work, I'm not really sure on all the possibilities.

If not, these are the two places we've got in the sticky for looking for CST practitioners....
http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/index.php
http://www.cranialacademy.com/

And for energy stuff, the things that spring to mind are homeopathy and acupuncture. Even at your daughter's age, my son sat still for some fairly brief acupuncture. And for this, I really wouldn't forget you, it seems like it's going to be the two of you really in this together.

I know I'm asking questions like money is a bottomless pit, and I know it's not, but just to have ideas out there. Do you feel like you've got the group of healthcare professionals you need, or are you still adding to the group? And do you have a way to find new HCPs? It can be hard to hook up with good ones, do you have any local yahoo groups, Holistic Moms network, maybe a local WAPF list? Even if you can't eat their food, they may know good HCPs.

Gotta be scary, scary to have concrete results saying hey, got some serious issues to work on. Better to know than not, but scary. How are you dealing with this? Your doc sounds like a good guy, who should be helpful with the results.

Now, do you and/or your HCP (I guess you'll talk with him soon) need urine porphyrine results separate for you? If it looks for more than just metals (I really don't know just how much info is in the results), then maybe addressing subtle differences between the two of you is really important.
post #6 of 69
Hugs Mama. You girls have been through so much. You are such a wonderful and loving mother.

I am going to second Tanya's recommendation that you take care of yourself in whatever way you are able. Sending some love your way. :::
post #7 of 69
margo,

wow! i had pieced together most of your story, but i missed some here and there. you are on a journey, my friend, that is certain.

a lot of that is way over my head, but i imagine it's helpful to have some of these reference numbers. i agree with tanya that perhaps a knowledgeable HCP - who knows what these numbers mean and what to do with them - would be useful.

i pray for you to find the answers soon.
post #8 of 69
Wow - you are a great mama for continuing to push through all of the difficulties you guys are experiencing- it must be very hard.

I found the last part of the test results very informative - describing what the elevated/low levels mean and what supp's would help, and how it would affect other functions. hopefully you HCP will be helpful for you, in deciding what steps to take next.

Sending you healing.
post #9 of 69
Hug, hugs, hugs, hugs sweet Ella and loving Margo.
Thank you for starting a thread.
post #10 of 69
Thread Starter 
ty girls for all the support and healing vibes! i cant even explain to you all what you mean to me, but i think you know .
tanya, i have just added a new alternative doc to my list and he has ordered a BUTT LOAD of labwork on me ( to the tune of 16 tubes of blood and 1 saliva test for cortisol levels - AF!- and 2 urine tests). i will be taking a urine porphyrins with him as well, but he had to order the kit and it is not in yet. all the labwork, which includes regular stuff like cbcs, thyroid, lfts, etc also includes allergy testing and oddball stuff that i havent heard of but am excited about like neurotransmitter analysis. ill fill you all in on that when its all done, but itll be a couple more weeks at least. he seems really great in that he listens completely and is taking me very seriously (especially when i brought up all the crap about my eosinophils last year). im hoping ill at least get some sort of answers here. he is also on very good terms with my ped, so there wont be the threat of too many cooks in one messed up kitchen! he was rec'd to me by a lovely mom i know who is very crunchy and also goes to my ped and my waldorff school.
i also still have my nd, who does homeopathy and acupunture. i havent utilized her for the acupuncture yet, but her chinese herbs have been invaluable to us. the homeopathic remedy she prescribed to ella really helped a lot until we had to stop it (it interferes with the absorbtion of the ldn).
then of course i still have my oncologist/hematologist who thinks im a walking science experiment, but i only see him once in a while now.
lastly, there is my holistic dan! ped who i love, but am a little upset with right now over the whole b12 possibly poisoning me with methylmercury thing. he is really all we have and i could never take ella to anyone else so ill just have to get over it.
in terms of cst, i went to the 1 person in my whole area that does it and she really scared me. i was already dizzy when i left her office after the one and only adjustment and i spent the whole night and next day with the room spinning. i was so afraid i would drop ella (dh was away on business and i was alone). i never went back. i def still need it though!
lisa and tanya, ill pm you the urine porphyrins just for giggles
eta:i cant attach a file to the pm here, so if you want to see it tanya , pm me your email. lisa i emailed it to you.
post #11 of 69
to you both. I don't have anything to add, but I just wanted you to know that I read every word (well, not of the lab results because they were kind of over my head), but you are an amazing mom. Thanks for putting your situation out there. I still have to think that your elevated eosophils play a part in all of this. I wish your doctors had some more ideas on that front...
post #12 of 69
You are an amazing mama. And you beat yourself up wayyyyyyy to much. Ella is blessed.

I so don't want to be creating any more worries than you already have, but I wanted to ask if Ella has been evaluated for mito (mitochondrial disease). It can have a ridiculous array of symptoms, depending on what systems are most affected, but GI and systemic reactions are not uncommon. A few things that jumped out at me that I associate with a couple of other kids I know with mito: 1) early reflux, 2) wonky urine organic acid, particularly kreb's cycle intermediaries (particularly fumaric acid), and 3) highly disturbed sleep. Adults can also have mito, so it's possible your issues are related? Anyhow, I know most people dealing with mito issues chase a diagnosis for a LONG time, so I wanted to at least mention it as a possibility. There's a mama I know on the SN board (sbgrace, she sometimes pops over here) who has a little guy with mito, and she would probably be really helpful as a resource if you wanted to learn more about this.
post #13 of 69
Just wanted to sub really quick before I head to bed. Too sleepy to read the test results, but I will come back at some point in between all my craziness and catch up.

Glad you found a good doc for yourself, and can't wait to hear how your test results go!

Sorry you are having to pull more foods.

Wish you guys didn't live at the completely opposite corner of the U.S. than us... we could hang out all the time and brainstorm things to trial for our crazy babes.
post #14 of 69
Did your daughter have a newborn metabolic screening? If so, in what state?
Her urine labs have markers in them that my son's did as well. Those markers indicate possible issues with fatty acid oxidation which is metabolic. The labs you had run are not formal metabolic labs. However, in our case, they had the same findings (issues with fatty acid oxidation, energy metabolism/Kreb's cycle, and carnitine issues) that my son's formal labs also found.

This is serious enough that, if it seems possible she's suffering from something metabolic when you look over the information, I think you should pursue at least some initial formal metabolic testing for her and perhaps for yourself as well. Things such as blood carnitine levels, acyl carnitine levels, coq10 levels, formal urine organic acids for sure and I'd likely run all the initial metabolic labs on your daughter. Do you have a doctor who might do that?
How are energy levels? How about her physical milestones? Growth?
Any other health issues beyond the gastro system?

Did you have any testing yourself? I would be happy to share our story. My son was quite sick compared to your daughter when we discovered this but he was a little older when he "fell apart" and I don't want that to be you/your daughter.

My son has a mitochondrial disorder. However, he has a secondary condition as well that was affecting fat metabolism. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=734501 My point is that a person may have one of many conditions. If she's had an expanded newborn screen many of them have already been initially screened. However mito and some other more rare fatty acid disorders have not. She's healthy though and that is very good/reassuring. Does she go all night without eating or does she still nurse at night? If she's still eating at night keep that up until you know more.

Given your allergies and findings this is something else I think you want to read about for both of you perhaps. http://www.apfed.org/ee.htm There is some possible link between this and allergies and mitochondrial disorder in some individuals.

Have you ever seen a pediatric gastro? Was testing done?
post #15 of 69
Just back from camping, exhausted, and about to go to texas, but I'll come back when I get a chance!
post #16 of 69
Thread Starter 
im sorry it took me so long to respond, it has been a really horrible 3 days. saturday, ella had so much diarrhea i just cried all day. i was so exhausted saturday night that i fell asleep with her in the glider and she fell onto the floor. it was such a nightmare i still feel sick over it. i cried all day yesterday because of it. she didnt have a mark on her, but im so terrified of her falling again now. im usually such a light sleeper that i wake with any little movement, but our sleep has been so horrific lately that i just totally passed out. poor ella. nothing like that has ever happened before.
her poop situation is so bad i pulled all solids today and just bf her and used up my pitiful freezer stash. i didnt know what else to do. i think it was the right thing at least for today and tomorrow because she didnt have any more poop except for a very large one this morning which was totally undigested still.
thank you mamas for the mito info and the EE link also. i read through your thread about the mito, sbgrace, and i can definitely see some similarities with the mito myopathy desciptions. i think, however, it is very likely that ella has the EE. i have been following a yahoo group for that for the better part of a year now and i know in my heart that she probably has that (and me too i guess). my ped and i have talked about that a lot and his feeling has been that we dont want to intentionally feed her things that will hurt her so that we can see on a scope that we shouldnt feed her those things, kwim? we're already treating the situation like she has EE and working really hard to heal our way out of it, which obv isnt working. we dont really have any other recourse though, since all the formulas typically geared to kids with EGIDs have triggers for ella.
we've been to 2 ped gastros. the first called me a "poop detective" (im laughing on the inside and told me to find something better to do with my time than to go through ella's poops looking for blood. he also rec'd that i stop bf and feed ella the neocate that she reacts to because it's "impossible" to react to neocate. the second didnt know what to do with her and wanted us to start pushing the solids at 6 months. the more i told hime that it was making things worse, the more he wanted me to give them to her.
im glad that your ds is feeling better, sbgrace! it sounds like you've been through the mill and you and your family deserve healthy and happiness!! that "falling apart" scenario that you mentioned strikes fear into every inch of my being! not a day goes by that i dont worry about something like that happening to ella.
cs, if you were closer to me, i would hug you and we could drink water and have a spoonful of honey (with a shot of rum?). id also invite you over with your trusty chisel.
cp and mamafish, thank you for the !
post #17 of 69
Oh Margo, I'm so sad to read your post. What a horrible time you're having, and then to drop Ella too. I'm so glad she is okay. Please go easy on yourself and accept that you're doing everything you can and that sometimes shit happens.

Have you considered going to see Dr. Wood, or another specialist who focuses on EGIDs?
post #18 of 69
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Oh Margo, I'm so sad to read your post. What a horrible time you're having, and then to drop Ella too. I'm so glad she is okay. Please go easy on yourself and accept that you're doing everything you can and that sometimes shit happens.
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Be easy on yourself. You're an awesome mama, and Ella is a beautiful thriving girl!! Things will get better. They have to.

eta: I really do wish you guys lived closer.
post #19 of 69
Hugs, Margo. You are such an awesome mother. Please go easy on yourself. Ella is lucky to have you. And things will improve.
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Oh Margo, I'm so sad to read your post. What a horrible time you're having, and then to drop Ella too. I'm so glad she is okay. Please go easy on yourself and accept that you're doing everything you can and that sometimes shit happens.

Have you considered going to see Dr. Wood, or another specialist who focuses on EGIDs?
i was considering taking her to CHOP. we have to travel to philly in about a month.
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