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Are any of you struggling with a sin you cant seem to get away from? I am a christian and when I give in to my particular vice it sends me on a mini downward spiral. Kind of like, well, now that I've F'd that up who cares if I do xyz. Eventually I manage to come back and manage to be strong for a while.

Anyway, any ideas on accountability when I am not able to bring this up within my church.
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yep, Not saying it bc Im proud but the fact that God loves me doesnt depend on who I am or what I do but is based SOLELY on WHO God is. ykwim? There is something I struggle with a temptation that I keep slipping with, its in my face all the time and for years I stayed away from it, but something rather traumatic occurred about two years ago that sent me reeling and I slipped big time and I used to really beat myself up about it, but I dont so much anymore. If you wanna pm me, I dont mind chatting and going into details but not here. Mind you I have to admit that there are many MANY sins I slip up in every single day. I dont know how to get over this particular thing but in a strange way... God keeps taking me to Roman's ch 8. There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, for those called according to His purposes. It goes on to explain that God knows who His children are and they were predestined (not the right word tbh but thats what scripture says) to be conformed into Christ's likeness. Now, my stumbling block has had a funny way of bringing me closer to God. Its made me realise how powerless I am to the flesh and how I need to rely on God all the more, reminds me that I need him. Now when I was being a 'good lil girl' I actually had an air of self righteousness which God hates more then almost any thing. I think its one of the main sins Jesus preached against, so I think in a wierd way I needed to slip up, its humbled me, I have compassion on people who have addictions and I understand them better having gone thru what Ive gone thru. Keep walking in the Spirit, let it drive you to Christ all the more!

thanks for starting this thread.
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Thanks, I will PM you. The part I struggle with is the deliberate sin. I know what Im doing when I do it. Its just I get it in my mind and suddenly my conscience goes numb and my warning bells turn off. Then, later, I feel like crap. Does god forgive deliberate sin, I mean, that seems a stretch.
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Thanks, I will PM you. The part I struggle with is the deliberate sin. I know what Im doing when I do it. Its just I get it in my mind and suddenly my conscience goes numb and my warning bells turn off. Then, later, I feel like crap. Does god forgive deliberate sin, I mean, that seems a stretch.
Been there!

I think as humans we fall prey to deliberate sin and that when we really are broken hearted He knows it.
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Originally Posted by AlmostAPpropriate View Post
Are any of you struggling with a sin you cant seem to get away from? I am a christian and when I give in to my particular vice it sends me on a mini downward spiral. Kind of like, well, now that I've F'd that up who cares if I do xyz. Eventually I manage to come back and manage to be strong for a while.

Anyway, any ideas on accountability when I am not able to bring this up within my church.

I just want to say, that you are not alone, i'm struggling with the same problem, curious what others have to say.
My only thought is that the LORD is ever-forgiving, merciful and if we ask for forgiveness SINCERELY, He is willing to give us a chance over and over again.
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Well, what did Jesus tell His disciples when they asked 'How many times am I to forgive my brother when he sins against me?' What did Jesus tell them? He said to forgive them 70 x 70 times (depending on which translation you read) basically meaning that you keep forgiving them. Do we think God expects more from us then he is willing to do for us?

Yes, it is forgivable to keep stumbling into even deliberate sin. Its tough, humbling. In fact, Im kind of in the same boat and I know Im forgiven. I know God wants me to grow up and move on from this stumbling and truth be told He could very well make it really easy for me by removing the person who keeps aiding my my stumbling, or allowing me to move on, but he's not called me to do that. He's called me to grow thru it. And truth be told, even if I do keep stumbling I know my heart is for Him, I know, He knows I love Him more then anything, Ive given up so much to follow Him, so I know my place in heaven is secure, bc He is faithful. Like I said, His love for me isnt dependant on anything I do but solely on who He is. Im a weak and feable, fallible human being. Im NOT strong, Im NOT better then ANYone. In fact Im nothing, but Im amazed at how much he cares and loves me, and at how much he's forgiven me. So, yes, I KNOW God forgives even deliberate sin, when there is a repentant heart behind it. A heart that is heartbroken bc of this crappy sinful nature we have. I hate it. Hang on what does romans say?



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1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
That applies to me. God reassured me by calling me to read that entire chapter over and over and eat it up, meditate on that single chapter for months... bc he knew I was about to stumble!

Ch 7 is just as good if not better...

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Struggling With Sin

7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." 8But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.

11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Now, Im in the middle of the stumbling bit. Ive not fully overcome this yet. But in the Power of Christ, I will. And Ill be changed thru it. This sin that I keep stumbling in is a besetting sin, something from my youth and I have the same problem as you AlmostAPpropriate. I know that before I partake, I know I shouldnt be doing it. Its like Im numbed to the 'concience' I used to have. But I still KNOW. I wanna stop. I will. Thats the thing. By not wanting to do it I prove that the Law is right and I am sinful.
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I have a couple issues of deliberate willful sin. it is perhaps the most painful of my sins because I know I am choosing. and it kills me yet I want it soooooo bad. but to choose sin over God.... ouch

it helps that my church practices confession. there have been times where I have asked myself "do I really want to say this out loud in front of Fr. S? " and thought no, I would rather skip it than have to say these words out loud. again. real accountability is a huge thing. I think it is why were commanded to confess our sins to one another. (and not just God because saying them out loud to another person does something to you.) but more often than not I just barrel ahead into stupidity and temptation. but just as saying it out loud (or the thought of saying it out loud) can help me resist (if not this time maybe next time I face it) hearing my priest, my spiritual father, tell me out loud that I am covered in Gods grace (and the literally drape their stole over you which is a very concrete expression) and to say out loud that I am forgiven and am to have no more care for those things, that they are gone. it also does something powerful. And then for some things Father will councel us in some more specific ways to resist certain temptations or avoid certain sins, ask how we are growing in certain areas or things we can do to generally build a hedge of protection around us or draw closer to God (pushing sin out). its good. I won't lie. i hate confession but it is certainly helping me grow and gradually draw closer to the life God would have for me. and I love the part where he talks about Gods forgiveness. that always makes me cry regardless of how much I hate going to confession. (oh and we don't do "pennance" or anything like that. you are expected to fix as much as you can, restore etc seek forgiveness from those you have wronged, make it right whatever before you come to confession. and while there may be consewuences it is for your spiritual growth and not any sort of punishment or earning forgiveness. )

perhaps it might help if you do bring this up with someone in church. someone who of course will not blab to anyone. but can instead remind you that God forgives all, still loves you , that you are not evil and yet can hold you accountable and maybe help you see where your strengths and weaknesses are.

here is a breif article including the prayers said during confession.
http://www.fatheralexander.org/bookl...penance.htm#n5


here are some pictures of confession. You can see the love. :
http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com...retensky-2.jpg
http://www.iecclesia.com/archives/ep...confession.jpg
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I too struggle with this.
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