WHAT?? You want me to vax, why? - Page 2

[2boyzmama]

Originally Posted by Romana

Hib cases are pretty much gone where vaccination has been done, but at this point NTHi (and to a lesser degree, Hia) have just filled the niche and the total number of cases is about the same as it was pre-Hib vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.PDF

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17516405

My son was one of those who had invasive NTHi last year, and after 5 rounds of oral abx didn't kick it (after doing lab sensitivities several times even), he had to have a PICC line put in and 4 weeks of IV abx before he was finally testing negative. The change in his overall health was AMAZING when he finally kicked that infection, we think he must have had it much longer than any of us realized.

Anyway...his geneticist, who is very pro-vaccine (even though the research pertaining to my son's specific genetic syndrome supports that vaccines should be given "with caution" and that live virus vaccines should be avoided) really urged me to vaccinate him against HiB. I said "why? B strain doesn't circulate like it used to, and instead NTHi is much more common, hence my son's infection." He just kept saying over and over how it used to make so many babies sick... I get that, I do, but the fact is that it's rare, and has been replaced with the strain my son had.

My son sees an Infectious Disease specialist because of his primary immune deficiency, and he also is very pro-vaccine, but has admitted to me that he's seeing MANY more HTHi infections than he ever did before, and that many of them are becoming invasive and difficult to treat. But he's still quick to say that he still recommends HiB because "that strain was particularly virulent, and we don't want it coming back."

[Amandala]

Originally Posted by tammyswanson

Pretty soon they'll be saying how many babies they see die from a common cold, the flu, etc. What about car accidents? Do they have a vaccine for that?

I know!! Something like three or four pedestrians have been hit and killed by cars, in CROSSWALKS, in my town in the last half year or so! That's more than most of these diseases combined for my whole state at least! So what are they doing about that?

Nothing, because there's no big money to be made, no product they can sell - no, better, REQUIRE you to buy - to keep you from getting hit by a driver who isn't even looking.

[SunshineJ]

When we very temporarily changed ped's to one closer, she of course asked about vaxxing. I explained DD's reactions to the last one, and she agreed that she was not a good candidate for further vaxxing right now - then strenously urged us to at least consider the cp vax. Because our dd will DIE if she gets it and our son will DIE if he gets it as well. I'm generally very polite, but I couldn't help it. I burst out laughing and said "well I guess it's a absolute God given miracle that my entire graduating class survived to adulthood since we all had it and were fine!". Don't get me wrong, I have infinite sympathy to anyone who's child perishes from any illness, but that doesn't mean the vast majority is in mortal danger either!

[Amandala]

Any time a doctor told me my child WILL or WOULD DIE if this, that, the other thing, I WILL and WOULD immediately decide that doctor is not for me (or for anyone, really) and change doctors. Yes, I would fire that doctor right then and there. Scare tactics, sensationalism, blanket policies and one-size-fits all thinking have no place in health care at all, especially not for babies.

So many times people have posted to these forums that a doctor has said to them "Your child could/may/will/would die" if he doesn't get this or that vaccine, if he sleeps on his tummy, if this, if that. Fired, fired, fired! They should not be doctors, they should be pencil-pushing bureaucrats making policy about guard rails and stripes on highways or something.

When a doctor tells you you're right, your kid should not be vaccinated due to health issues, then immediately tells you you should have him vaccinated against Chicken Pox, though, because your child WILL DIE ... that's a clear and obvious case of a doctor who is making decisions under the influence of a pharmaceutical company, and not concern for your child's health.

That doctor should have official complaints filed against him or her. I don't think that person should have a licence to practice medicine.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by Amandala

Any time a doctor told me my child WILL or WOULD DIE if this, that, the other thing, I WILL and WOULD immediately decide that doctor is not for me (or for anyone, really) and change doctors. Yes, I would fire that doctor right then and there. Scare tactics, sensationalism, blanket policies and one-size-fits all thinking have no place in health care at all, especially not for babies.

So many times people have posted to these forums that a doctor has said to them "Your child could/may/will/would die" if he doesn't get this or that vaccine, if he sleeps on his tummy, if this, if that. Fired, fired, fired! They should not be doctors, they should be pencil-pushing bureaucrats making policy about guard rails and stripes on highways or something.

When a doctor tells you you're right, your kid should not be vaccinated due to health issues, then immediately tells you you should have him vaccinated against Chicken Pox, though, because your child WILL DIE ... that's a clear and obvious case of a doctor who is making decisions under the influence of a pharmaceutical company, and not concern for your child's health.

That doctor should have official complaints filed against him or her. I don't think that person should have a licence to practice medicine.

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[honeybunch2k8]

Originally Posted by mommysarah5

interesting. When I had my youngest my oldest 2 were fully vaccinated with DTaP but I had stopped vaxxing at that point. everyone in the house got pertussis that year, except my newborn.

YEP, I've read a story like that only the baby didn't die *gasp.* Most in the house were sick including a fully vaxed child. The only person who didn't get it had pertussis as a child. Hmmm....

[SunshineJ]

Originally Posted by Amandala

That doctor should have official complaints filed against him or her. I don't think that person should have a licence to practice medicine.

Yeah, before that DH and I were noticing all the anti-co-sleeping propaganda and such on the walls as well. I'd pretty well already determined this might not be the right fit for us, but gosh, it was a 5 min drive vs. 35 and the wait was so much less - and she came very highly recommended. That was the last time we were there and won't be back! I could complain, but seriously everyone you ask for a reccomendation for a "great" pediatrician comes back with her name. I doubt it would get very far.

ETA: I'm sure I've mentioned it on here before, but about the time she started predicting the untimely demise of our children from a normal childhood illness is when DH got sick of it and accused her of getting kickbacks from vax administration and we left.