Swine Flu Vax to Be Cleared After Only a 5 Day Trial in UK - Page 2

[dinahx]

They have decided this. The majority of doses ordered will contain adjuavant. I will look for the link . . . Or anyone else is welcome to post one.

[Sileree]

I'd like to see a link for that please.

All recent news reports I have read have indicated only that they might use an adjuvant.

[dinahx]

Here's a link but FTR, IMO the onus is on the person doubting to look for info, not the person with more current info to provide the link, kwim?

The U.S. has ordered $979 million worth of bulk vaccine and Novartis' adjuvant.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5216217.shtml

Don't mean to sound snarky, but of course this is a touchy issue, we should all try to support each other and not question and doubt each other.

[Sileree]

We should all try to support each other and not question and doubt each other.

I'm sorry you took this as doubting YOU personally. I'm not. I don't even know you, I asked for a link because you offered and because I assumed you DID know what you were talking about.

Don't mean to sound snarky, but of course this is a touchy issue...

Why is it a touchy issue? I'm confused. I had no intention of offending.

As for the article (which I had read before, BTW):

"The U.S. has ordered $979 million worth of bulk vaccine and Novartis' adjuvant."

I guess you could argue 'if they bought it, they'll want to use it', which I admit is a possibility, but I still don't see:
a) any testing done in the U.S. with the new adjuvants bought (because of course it could be rapidly ushered in with the new laws) or
b) any government/public health announcements that it WILL be used, and for all doses and all brands, to stretch the antigen. I was hoping you had found an article that stated any of this was going on. All I see is a lot of 'this is an option' and 'Europe does this'.

Thanks anyway.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

I may have missed it but I havnt seen any studies in the USA completed yet showing there will be no issues with pg woman or babies getting this vax. I am very worried about the outcome for the most vulnerable people in the population.

http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=H1N1+ this shows studies to be done and ones asking for volunteers but no completed ones.

[carriebft]

I would also note that clinicaltrials.gov isn't going to show all the trials for all brands and it is not updated as regularly as we might like- for example, the large rotavirus trial that came out recently wasn't updated with results until 2 months after you could already read the results in the AAP newsletter. So I would not totally trust the status as written there.

Also- you have to note that prelim results are going to be released in sept and oct for many of these but full results won't be until march because they will continue to monitor for 180 days post last vaccination. All the articles I am reading say we can see prelim results in mid sept, which is right where clinicaltrials seems to say we are as well. Undoubtedly there are some very early results out there seeing as though many trials are probably through the first dose.

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by carriebft

Also- you have to note that prelim results are going to be released in sept and oct for many of these but full results won't be until march because they will continue to monitor for 180 days post last vaccination. All the articles I am reading say we can see prelim results in mid sept, which is right where clinicaltrials seems to say we are as well. Undoubtedly there are some very early results out there seeing as though many trials are probably through the first dose.

Indeed. In fact the true "full results" won't be known for years, as there are some auto-immune diseases linked to vaccines that do not even begin to show up for months or years after the vax! The reality is we won't know the real implications of this new vaccine until at least several years have passed (and millions of people were used as guinea pigs) The clinical trials are a laugh because we all know that they are not using squalene in these trials and there is a real good possibility it will be used in the real program come fall. The vaccine you end up getting may likely be entirely different than the one tested in these 'clinical trials.' They know exactly what squalene does to the body and the fact it is even up for consideration should be raising red flags for everyone, there is obviously some evil intent at play here. Mercury (another poison) will also be a part of many of the vaccines, there is no law forbidding its use and its been shown to be a potent neurotoxin as well. They don't care about us. If they did, they would outlaw these poisons and hold the vaccine manufacturers liable for any damages that occur as a result of their products. Instead they have 0% liability so any product they create that maims or kills people isn't their problem, they won't be held accountable, and will never have to pay a cent in damages. Isn't that lovely.

[carmel23]

I just wanted to supply this information, that it will be tested on pregnant women who volunteer:
http://health.usnews.com/blogs/on-wo...ne-trials.html

And that adjuvants cannot be used without a declaration of a state of emergency by the Health Secretary and a EUA.

They spend miney every year on flu vaccinations that go unused. so spending this money that on stuff that may never be used is no biggie. Welcome to arena of public heath.

[laohaire]

Originally Posted by Blu Razzberri

And what's more is that Massachusetts now has laws to support fines and jail time to those who refuse the Swine Flu Vaccine!!

I've read through the actual bill (http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sena...df/st02028.pdf) and want to correct a few things. I've said this on another thread, but the other thread is closed down due to MDC's request to keep H1N1 discussions together.

I'm completely freaked out by the PROPOSED amendments that Massachusetts is trying to pass, but I want to keep things accurate.

* The bill is NOT passed. Yet. They tried to push it through but fortunately it failed, but they will try again.

* The fine and jail time is for people who disregard official orders. What an order constitutes is not limited (except that it would of course have to pertain to public health). Arrests can be made with no warrants. And officals are totally protected; even if they issue an erroneous order, anyone resisting is still subject to the fine and/or jail time. This is all very, very, very bad and I'm ready to move to Russia on this alone.

* However, it specically states after this section that individuals who refuse vaccination do NOT need to submit, but they may be subject to quarantine. At the same time, since officials don't need to be RIGHT to give you an order, I can easily see an official ordering you to submit to a vaccination, and they are covered. While it says individuals can refuse the vaccine, it doesn't clearly state that this right overrides the previous section where they can order you to do anything and are not liable for anything they order you to do.

* Furthermore, even if they don't fine and jail you, individuals refusing vaccination may be required to be quarantined per an existing law. The quarantine would mean being moved to a hospital equipped for this process. I would be every bit as scared of being locked into a hospital as submitting to a nearly untested vaccine. I don't want my family seperated (I have a 4 year old!!) and locked into a hospital for refusing to submit to an untested vaccination for a flu that looks at this point no more severe than any other flu.

Another point I thought of is that it's comforting to think that these measures are all "just in case" things but they aren't REALLY planning to do anything outrageous. But Massachusetts has been passing these increasingly dictatorial - really, unconstitutional - laws, granting the state enormous amounts of power, and the people zero options for justice if that power is abused. I have to think that somebody in this state has some plans, or they wouldn't be going through all this effort.

DH and I are trying to figure out our options but we feel really lost. It would be a very serious choice if we left the house and the state - how long? The winter? Could we afford to keep making the mortgage payments? Heck, will our pipes freeze and burst when we're gone? Who will drain the boiler if we leave it on? (We have no friends in the area). What about my job? Yet at the same time, if I knew that we were really going to be forced to submit to vaccination, I'd leave while I still have the opportunity. It's just such a huge gamble either way.

Do 'they" KNOW that I'm seriously planning to emigrate to another country over this???

[Juvysen]

Laohaire, that is truly frightening.

[amnesiac]

Just a reminder to please stay on topic regarding trials/testing. Please also keep in mind that we do not wish to host discussions on conspiracy theories or such speculation.

[PiesandAbrosmama]

following and learning. . .

[evergreenmom]

learning and following as well

[greenmomhappymom]

If you are pregnant you need to read/watch this...

Hi Mamas,

I am a subscriber to Mercola.com (if you are not yet I highly recommend it) and he just sent this out:

"Swine Flu -- One of the Most Massive Cover-ups in American History"

http://products.mercola.com/swine-flu/20091103.htm

Very interesting.

Take a look at the other articles he has published on H1N1 as well. All good stuff.

[Sileree]

Hmm this is an old thread. Reminds me: I guess they didn't "decide this" after all did they?

Originally Posted by dinahx

They have decided this. The majority of doses ordered will contain adjuavant.