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Originally Posted by ema-adama
 Marnica, do you have any links on squalene. I have not been able to find anything solid on it, other than that it is stronger than aluminium as an adjuvant and has been used in pandemic vaccines. Admittedly it was some months ago that I was looking into squalene. But beyond Sherri Tenpenny (whose references I could not track down) I did not find much.
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| Novartis, the second contender, also has an agreement with WHO for a pandemic vaccine. Novartis appears to have won the contract, since its vaccine is near completion. What is terrifying is that these pandemic vaccines contain ingredients, called “immune adjuvants” that a number of studies have shown cause devastating autoimmune disorders, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and lupus. Animal studies using this adjuvant have found them to be deadly. A study using 14 guinea pigs found that, when they were injected with the special adjuvant, only one animal survived. A repeat of the study found the same deadly outcome. |
| Questionable studies. I reviewed a number of studies on this adjuvant and found something quite interesting. Several studies done on human test subjects found MF-59 to be a very safe immune adjuvant. But when I checked to see who did these studies, I found—to no surprise—that they were done by the Novartis Pharmaceutical Company and Chiron Pharmaceutical Company, which have merged. They were all published in “prestigious” medical journals. Also, to no surprise, a great number of studies done by independent laboratories and research institutions all found a strong link between MF-59 and autoimmune diseases. |
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Originally Posted by Jen78fl
Does anyone have any idea if they might make this mandatory for the military? Just wondering since my husband is in the coast guard...
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| The goal of the pandemic influenza vaccination program is to vaccinate all persons in the United States who choose to be vaccinated. |
| Two regulatory options exist for H1N1 vaccines; 1) Licensure: an H1N1 vaccine manufactured using the same process as the U.S. licensed inactivated influenza vaccine, or seasonal live attenuated influenza vaccine will be licensed for use in the U.S. strain change, or 2) Emergency Use Authorization (EUA): Currently, no U.S licensed vaccine contains the adjuvants MF-59 or ASO3. It is expected that an H1N1 vaccine manufactured using the same process as U.S. licensed seasonal inactivated influenza vaccine but administered with MF-59 or ASO3 will be authorized for emergency use only. Products by statute, that are eligible for emergency use are those that “may be effective” in preventing serious or life threatening disease. If enough doses of licensed unadjuvanted vaccine can be secured and the H1N1 virus pandemic remains mild the use of a licensed product would be preferred over the use of a vaccine under an EUA. |
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Originally Posted by nia82
If you skip a mandatory shot in the military, you will show up on the commander's list. They then will force you to get it and you get some sort of reprimand.
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| Squalene is a naturally occurring oil which has been used in the development of vaccine adjuvants, such as the oil-in-water emulsion MF59. In past years, by use of noncontrolled and nonvalidated assays, a claim was made that antisqualene antibodies were detectable in the sera of individuals with the so-called Gulf War syndrome. Using a validated enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay for the quantitation of immunoglobulin G (IgG) and IgM antibodies against squalene, we demonstrated that antisqualene antibodies are frequently detectable at very low titers in the sera of subjects who were never immunized with vaccines containing squalene. More importantly, vaccination with a subunit influenza vaccine with the MF59 adjuvant neither induced antisqualene antibodies nor enhanced preexisting antisqualene antibody titers. In conclusion, antisqualene antibodies are not increased by immunization with vaccines with the MF59 adjuvant. These data extend the safety profile of the MF59 emulsion adjuvant. |
| Despite the fact that vaccines given to veterans returning with Gulf War syndrome did not contain squalene (6) and despite that fact that symptoms similar to those of the so-called Gulf War syndrome have been reported after several wars, including the American Civil War (9), we decided to undertake a study to determine whether immunization with the influenza vaccine with the MF59 adjuvant stimulated antibody responses against squalene. |
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Originally Posted by anewmama
It has nothing to do with the president I don't think. Given the way the anti-terrorists laws are written, the power of WHO and the CDC, it is ultimately up to THEM what will happen. If the president wants to change those laws, then he could instigate that. But I seriously doubt at this point that ANY president is about to re-write the anti-terrorism laws. It would be political suicide. And much of the mandatory vaccination laws are covered under anti-terrorism laws. They would not be able to split off a supposed 'natural' flu pandemic from a biological attack and apply different laws to different diseases depending on whether they were natural or man made. This is assuming they are saying THIS current 'natural' pandemic is natural. A pandemic is a pandemic is a pandemic. The affect of any pandemic on commerce is going to be the same (although you could say that this one has had minimal effect so far. Fall is yet to come) and while the economic effect of this has not been huge, there could theoretically be one come fall (like that's all we need at this point). Given the power of any kind of pandemic to disrupt commerce, trade and business, they would treat them all the same I think (manmade or natural) and respond the same with mandatory vaccination if it came to that level of disruption and death/illness.
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| An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction. |
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Originally Posted by ema-adama
Marnica, do you have any links on squalene. I have not been able to find anything solid on it, other than that it is stronger than aluminium as an adjuvant and has been used in pandemic vaccines. Admittedly it was some months ago that I was looking into squalene. But beyond Sherri Tenpenny (whose references I could not track down) I did not find much.
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| oil adjuvants can provoke toxic, allergic, ulcerative, or lethal reactions |
| The injectyed animals were left hobbled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters through the wood chips in their cages |
