Freaking out about swine flu vaccine, can anyone make me feel better? - Page 3

[Jen78fl]

Are they planning on giving school kids the H1N1 flumist instead of the injection? I dont want my son to get either, but if they just happened to do something without my knowledge, Id rather it be the flumist.. though then my son could get our entire family sick with this..... What are the ingredients in the flumist? Just the live virus, no preservatives? I am just trying to prepare myself in case this is made mandatory. I would hope this would be an alternative to getting an injection though I hate it either way! I appreciate any info if anyone has any

Jen

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by TanyaS

That list is for the H5N1 bird flu. They incorrectly labeled it on that site.

Thanks. Do you have the ingredient list for the swine flu H1N1?

[Crazybean]

I didn't read all the posts but there will be a shortage. The first to be vaxed will be healthcare and emergency workers.. the 2nd to get it will be pregnant women, young babies and immunocompromised people. It's not mandatory at this point. There are PLENTY of people who will run to the line to get the vax so I am not worried about it turning into a forced vax program. I won't be getting it EVER and neither will my kids/family...

[A&A]

Originally Posted by Gitti

imo that will not happen. Big pHARMa learned from 1918 when people got severe side effects to the vaccine.

Do you mean 1976?

I wasn't aware of a vax in 1918.

[Juvysen]

curious to see the ingredient list. won't surprise me if it's similar to the one posted...

[TanyaS]

Originally Posted by Gitti

Thanks. Do you have the ingredient list for the swine flu H1N1?

No, I haven't had any luck finding it yet.

[Juvysen]

Dr. Mercola says there's squalene in it as an adjuvant.

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vital...t-exposed.aspx

The part about gulf war syndrome is a little... freaky...

[Mommyintraining2]

So would the flu mist be better since it doesn't go directly into the bloodstream? Does it allow the body to fight better using some of it's natural defenses (like the nose)?

[amnesiac]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

Dr. Mercola says there's squalene in it as an adjuvant.

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vital...t-exposed.aspx

The part about gulf war syndrome is a little... freaky...

That depends on the manufacturer (there are 5). Not all products contain an adjuvant & of the two that do, one contains MF59 & the other is ASO3.

[newmum35]

Found an interesting book - can read online - this one from way back in 1977!

"Swine Flu Expose

a book by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D."

I'm not sure whether to be alarmed or depressed that history seems to be repeating itself here

http://www.*********/vaccine/sf.html

Just wondering if anyone has read the entire book or who even might have a "real" copy - the paper book that is. I haven't read the whole thing yet but the chapters/ headlines etc do not surprise me.

Found this little bit interesting (from Chapter 4):

In the fall of 1921 the health of the city was unusually good, but dull for the doctors. So the Jackson Medical Society met & resolved to make an epidemic in the city.

... MOTION WAS MADE AND SECONDED THAT A RECOMMENDATION BE MADE THAT AN EPIDEMIC OF SMALLPOX BE DECLARED TO EXIST IN THE CITY AT THE PRESENT TIME.

... THAT A DAY BE SET ASIDE TO BE TERMED VACCINATION DAY... TO VACCINATE, FREE OF CHARGE. (No shots are free. The taxpayers are charged for them.)

... and urging the absolute necessity of vaccination for every man, woman and child in the city.

http://www.*********/vaccine/sf4.html

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

Dr. Mercola says there's squalene in it as an adjuvant.

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vital...t-exposed.aspx

The part about gulf war syndrome is a little... freaky...

this isn't true - yet. the FDA is ready to approve the adjuvant that is used in the anthrax vaccine (and yes, linked to gulf war syndrome) which is currently not licensed in the US for civilian use. However, if there is a vaccine shortage, they may decide to allow this substance to help 'stretch' the vaccine supply.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/...ne_flu_vaccine
from the article:

Make no mistake: Vaccines containing immune-system boosters called adjuvants are not candidates for the easier strain-change approval, the FDA said. Flu vaccine with this extra ingredient is widely sold in Europe but never has been sold here, and there's little information about their safety in young children or pregnant women. While both adjuvant-free and adjuvant-added swine flu vaccine is being tested in the U.S. and abroad, using it outside of those studies would require a completely separate government decision.

However, now that medimmune is mass producing the nasal swine flu vaccine - this step may not be necessary.

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Crazybean

I didn't read all the posts but there will be a shortage. The first to be vaxed will be healthcare and emergency workers.. the 2nd to get it will be pregnant women, young babies and immunocompromised people. It's not mandatory at this point. There are PLENTY of people who will run to the line to get the vax so I am not worried about it turning into a forced vax program. I won't be getting it EVER and neither will my kids/family...

this isn't true. MedImmune is producing 35 million bulk doses of nasal spray/month. they are talking about dropping a few drops into kids noses instead of using the spray inhalers because it takes too much time to load the dose into the inhaler. the article said dripping the live virus into the kids' noses is as effective as the spraymist. I posted a link to the article somewhere in one of these threads. good luck

ETA: actually, i do agree with you that there will not be enough for every man, woman and child. there will however be enough for all school-age children and i believe this is where they will be focusing their efforts, including required vax for school attendance. the kids will bear the burden for this.

[Jen78fl]

I am worried that youre right 13sandals. My 5 year old son (who will be starting kindergarten) has autism which I believe is caused mainly by vaccines he has had. We are now in the process of trying to undo that damage, so this vaccine really scares me. I suppose the mist will have less side effects in the long run but I think it will make us all sick, not sure how sick though!

Another thing Im worried about is my husband. He is in the military and im worried he will be forced to get this vaccine. I told him to do whatever he has to not to get it....

Just wondering, does anyone have the ingredients for the 1976 swine flu vaccine that caused so much damage? Im guessing it must have contained squalene or some similar substance...

[dessismama]

I totally agree with Romana-no need to panic but please stay informed, watch what the flu is doing and have a healthy respect for it. It has killed over 150 previously healthy people in the USA alone. And I know a lot of you are going to argue that these people did not eat a nutritious diet, etc. there is really no way to know what they did, and the fact is they were healthy one day and dead within a few days. And they were all young too!!

I am not at all worried about the vaccine being mandatory--it will not be here in time, and people will be lining up to get it when the bodies start piling up and the health care system is overburdened.

And actually the Flumist is better in terms of immunity and the lack of poisonous substances. I am not concerned about the shedding of a weakened virus in schools--the schools will be germ factories anyway, and the Flumist might actually save lives.

[southwds]

How about this?

http://www.scribd.com/full/17044769?...lm6uuy83anqjgp

AND


http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2752

[Marnica]

This just in:

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009...1551248737390/

Vaccinating elderly people against H1N1 swine flu will do little to prevent deaths, so the vaccines should be reserved for children, Italian researchers said.

um...not my child thanks very much

[littlecindy]

i don't understand why they're giving it to the elderly and children first, when those most at risk (and most of the deaths so far) have been healthy male adults under the age of 30?

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by littlecindy

i don't understand why they're giving it to the elderly and children first, when those most at risk (and most of the deaths so far) have been healthy male adults under the age of 30?

Because they are captive audiences and it will bve easier to force it on them than on adults. JMHO

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by dessismama

I totally agree with Romana-no need to panic but please stay informed, watch what the flu is doing and have a healthy respect for it. It has killed over 150 previously healthy people in the USA alone. And I know a lot of you are going to argue that these people did not eat a nutritious diet, etc. there is really no way to know what they did, and the fact is they were healthy one day and dead within a few days. And they were all young too!!

most stories i had heard that were fatal were people who had serious underlying health issues... most were obese, had diabetes or some other serious underlying condition... most cases were mild and did not require any medical intervention whatsoever

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by medusaatemydog

most stories i had heard that were fatal were people who had serious underlying health issues... most were obese, had diabetes or some other serious underlying condition... most cases were mild and did not require any medical intervention whatsoever

yes..this is true. they keep saying its hitting children and young adults more heavily than the usual flu - but this just means they are getting the virus - not dying from it.

regarding nasal spray swine flu: sure - the side effects might be less for the individual as far as adjuvants go, however, the problem with flu mist is you are purposely implanting the LIVE virus in healthy human tissue - giving it yet another opportunity to rearrange and recombine and mutate....this is the risk with the seasonal flumist as well. giving it to every child on the same day in a single school is just begging for it to create an offshoot (or give every kid in the school a case of the swine flu - the mist does shed...in fact users of seasonal flumist are supposed to avoid the immunocompromised for 3 weeks!). adding the live virus to a school of kids is just plain irresponsible. they go swine flu mist in our schools - the kids get at least a week off!