Health Care Bill Will Fund State Vaccine Teams to Conduct ‘Interventions’ in Private Homes - Page 3

[honeybunch2k8]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

It's pretty sad when your product is so bad that people refuse to come get it, so you decide in your distorted reality that you are going to bring it to them. Desperation.

[tbone_kneegrabber]

ok i didn't read the article posted and just skimmed the reponses, but the Health Department has already come to my house (2x for my kids high lead count, and 2x for being "behind" on vaxing). I live in PA (i am on medical assistance and so is ds) so don't get all upset about some "new" bill, they already do this.

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by tbone_kneegrabber

ok i didn't read the article posted and just skimmed the reponses, but the Health Department has already come to my house (2x for my kids high lead count, and 2x for being "behind" on vaxing). I live in PA (i am on medical assistance and so is ds) so don't get all upset about some "new" bill, they already do this.

You're kidding. At what age? They've never done that for me but I live on the opposite side of the state. Mine was not high on lead count, but I have not been harrassed at all about vax status. Did they show up unexpected?

[Britishmum]

I see this as part of the scare tactic. Like the "The government should not come between me and my doctor" line that the conservatives are taking, to scare people about a public health service.

I am as anti-vacc as can be, but don't believe that this is a case of sending the vacc squad out for those who do not want vaccinations. Looking at it from the pov of the bill being drafted by those who genuinely believe that vaccs are life-saving and should be available to every parent equally, this is intended, I believe, as a positive thing. The intention imo is to offer what is available to the priviliged classes, to all. Now, I question the value of what is offered, but I don't question the intention of giving more equal rights to everyone.

As for the govt getting involved in your life, I think this is scaremongering and feeding on misconceptions of what a national health service really provides. I envy my friends in the UK who had home visits from midwives and health visitors when they had new babies. I had to pay for a lactation consultant to come to help me with my firstborn. I had to pay for a doula to help me fend off the doctors at my birth. My friend in the UK, on the other hand, had a midwife attend her non-interventionist birth, then come day after day after day to help her with breastfeeding, for free. Was this the government interfering in her life? I hardly think that the midwife or subsequent health visitor were reporting details about my friend's nipples to the Prime Minister.

In the UK, the midwife, then a health visitor, will come to your home and as part of the many aspects of her visit, will talk about vaccs. All you do is say thanks, but no thanks. Like it or not, vaccs are a part of generally accepted 'good' healthcare. It is up to parents to make the decisions and choices for themselves. Any system that offers people healthcare is going to include vaccinations, just as any insurance company will expect you to take them up on this 'service' when you go to well-baby visits. But I see great value in offering services for children that include being willing to come to their homes. The intention, however, of the conservative press, is to scare people with the notion that somehow if you provide healthcare from taxpayers money instead of profit-making insurance companies, their privacy is at risk. As if the insurance company does not hold masses of information about each and every individual, with the sole intention of making money from them.

[medusaatemydog]

these government health officials will not be welcomed at my door... and the day that happens bags will be packed and the next flight out will be booked.. and i will never come back.. this country is turning into a freak show... i cannot believe what is happening. Has everyone in the government gone mad?The thing that gets me is that most people i talk to that do vaccinate have never read or researched a thing about vaccines... people whom don't vaccinate have done a ton of research... then there are people who vax partially, but why vax at all... the risks are never worth it.. .these diseases are rarely ever harmful and only to a small percentage of the pop... when you go beyond vaxs and start studing the politics and lobbyists, the laws and all that it's not just about disease.. it's clearly severe corruption and conflict of interest.. our politicians are prepaid and set up... there is no such thing as a peoples politician... lobbyists and corporations are in full control, our health is of little consequence as they have now nearly absolved themselves of liability.. this is only going to get worse..
:"The earth is my religion and i pray to her everyday"

[MoonWillow]

I'm returning the thread. I've removed a few posts that were either UAVs or quoting one.
Please keep it respectful or the thread will have to go permanently.
Thanks

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by readytobedone

i disagree.

i'd bet my butt that the majority of kids who are "behind" on vaccines are NOT the children of parents who've made a deliberate decision. their parents simply got off schedule, didn't have the $, or didn't have the time to take their kids to the doctor.

well my butt made the deliberate decision to protect my child from the harm it caused him , the potential risk of death from vaccines, and his immunological neurological integrity... i have insurance... it's certainly not about money... i am an at home mom so it's not about time... but after experiencing one reaction and spending countless hours in research ... i will never allow any child of mine to be vaccinated again as long as i am alive ... the majority of people are not vaccinating because thier children have been made sick at some point and have seen or experienced the damage that is occuring.. there are literally hundreds of thousands of us and we are growing... this is not about lack of time education or money, this is about our experiences, our children and our right to have control over our bodies.. what kind of future will the following generations have if there is no natural immunity???? There will be no biological defense/immune and the future generations may not have a say in thier medical treatment and may not be able to function as healthy human beings and quite possibly, with the mentality of mod med we/future generations will have no recourse or choice should the government feel the need to push experimental and potentially dangerous therapies on the poeple.
How many pedis have said the have seen a child die of measles or chicken pox?? how did all those thousands of doctors fit in so few of these childrens rooms to witness this extremely rare death??? vaccinations are causing so many health issues... and mandating vaxs is a purely profit motivated ordeal... if that was not the case there would be no reason to mandate injections... noone should be forced or coerced to become a pin cushion.. why should we slam our childrens' immune systems before they have a chance to develop , especially at a time when the nerves in the body have not even had a chance to develop and are exposed... this idea that it's about laziness or time or money makes absolutely no sense.

[carriebft]

I believe she was just referring to the fact, which is backed up by research, that most kids who are under and unvaccinated are not that way because of philosophical/religious exemption but because of other factors that she listed. This is, like I said, backed up by research, which I will post if you want to see it.

That is not to say that there are not obviously people who don't do them for other reasons, just that the majority are not for the reasons of religion/philosophy, etc.

[SunshineJ]

Well, I don't think the entire bill is bad. Providing reminder calls to families, particularly those who have expressed an interest in or desire to vax in the past could be of perceived benefit to those families. For those families who do choose to vax, and that is certainly their right, providing lower cost options is also a tangible benefit. However, I don't care for anyone to come to my home, particularly someone from a government organization.

I think a lot of people here are so upset about the home visit part that another key element that could directly affect many MDC members has been overlooked.

(D) carrying out immunization-promoting strategies for participants or clients of public programs, including assessments of immunization status, referrals to health care providers, education, provision of on-site immunizations, or incentives for immunization

Often I've seen questions about elgibility, etc. for public programs and immunization status, and generally the answer is that your child's immunization status is irrelevant to your ability to qualify for assistance. This section right here opens the door to change all of that. It could be something as simple as giving the parent a $25 grocery card when they vax their child to the more life impacting of not qualifying for certain programs that are now designated as "incentive programs" if your child isn't vaxxed. This seems to me to be a far more realistic and frightening probability than people showing up at my door with prepared shots.

Oh and just a comment about shots not being traumatizing, I recall several real and traumatizing incidences as a child surrounding injections - from being held down in the office by 4 nurses and 2 dr's at the age of 5, having excruciating pain from one of the shots my mom was required to hold me down for, to being in 5th grade and watching them administer the "air gun" shots and seeing kids squirming away with blood streaming everywhere. None of those are fun memories of me!

[momo7]

Originally Posted by k9sarchik

But, like another poster said, I wouldn't open the door and invite anyone in. Would they break the door down to jab every single person with the vaccine? Not only do I doubt it, but it sounds ridiculous.

Of course it's ridiculous. Besides, they won't have to break down doors or force anybody to vax. People will gradually just accept one thing at a time....one little exeption at a time untill the deal is done....no one will fight, no one will question because it will already have been accepted and agreed with. No one will even wake up one morning and say, "How did this happen?"

Any gov't can get it's populace to agree to do something, especially if it happens gradually, and especially if the people don't realize what is taking place, and it's for their safety or the greater good.

[caned & able]

The culture in the US would allow for forced vaccinations and forced health care.

It is the American way.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by caned & able

The culture in the US would allow for forced vaccinations and forced health care.

It is the American way.

Sadly very true...

ya know i have noticed something.. about the average americans education... in all reality, pubic and private education has dangerously sad statistics of health education... people are not taught much about thier health, nutrition and what role nutrients play in the biological process and chemical pathways of the body... it is not focused on and the average person has very little idea of how disease and sickness come about except from the perspective of taking pills and injections.. most people know very little about how thier body works... this sets the stage for some very dangerous coercion by those who can profit off of this cultural ignorance and compliance/complacency

[amnesiac]

Home visits are a really inefficient use of resources. Health departments generally try to avoid them if at all possible for existing programs. I can't see widespread implementation happening.