Vaccine "War"

[runes]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_med_vaccine_fight

So far, swine flu remains a relatively mild disease, and most people don't need medical treatment to get better. But experts fear the virus could mutate into a more dangerous form. And during the flu season, when the virus spreads more easily, more people will probably fall sick and die.

Public health officials are aware that so-called "vaccine wars" might break out if the swine flu outbreak worsens, but are loathe to even discuss the topic.

Besides the continued fearmongering of the political ramifications of the vaccine, I found it interesting that they actually admit that it is a mild disease.

[Turquesa]

So.....if it could mutate into a more dangerous form.....what's the point of pushing the vax NOW? Or at all if the virus is capable of mutating?

[anewmama]

Why push it? Here is why. Someone has to make money when this will further bring about the total economic collapse of the financial systems worldwide.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...mR1i51b1Vpgq1Q

[Gitti]

I have a feeling that the swine flu vaccine will kill many people who would otherwise survive easily. Death may be a delayed reaction and be blamed on swine flu. Then the uptake of the vaccine will be even greater and kill more....

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by Gitti

I have a feeling that the swine flu vaccine will kill many people who would otherwise survive easily. Death may be a delayed reaction and be blamed on swine flu. Then the uptake of the vaccine will be even greater and kill more....

I agree here... most people won't die instantly from the vaccine, of course, because then those last in line would simply step out! Toxic effects including death could even be months or years in the making! (and by then,, NOBody will be blaming it on the vax!)

Don't make the mistake of thinking that if one survives the vax, then it must be safe! Granted, your health will be much better off without ever having this vax!! Once you get it, it will be too late to take it back. You will have to live with the chronic health conditions it may create in you for years to come (and be a good customer of Big Pharma for a long time!)

No thank you, I'll take my chances with swine flu, just like I do every season when flu goes around, and has been for my 37+ years. I haven't gotten a flu vax yet, and I'm still around..

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by newmum35

No thank you, I'll take my chances with swine flu, just like I do every season when flu goes around, and has been for my 37+ years. I haven't gotten a flu vax yet, and I'm still around..

Same here. I am 62 and have never gotten any flu vaccine. As a matter of fact, I have only gotten two vaccines in my entire life and both of those have been taken off the market in mean time. My grandmother lived to be 96 without any vaccines ever and my mother is now 86 and still doing well. I will take a chance with my own immune system.

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by runes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_med_vaccine_fight
Besides the continued fearmongering of the political ramifications of the vaccine, I found it interesting that they actually admit that it is a mild disease.

even so, our government is being advised by the National Biodefense Safety Board to approve the vaccine without preliminary safety trials: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/706132?src=rss

Why deploy a vaccine that hasn't completed safety and efficacy testing? Because we already have a lot of experience with similar vaccines, concluded the NBSB flu vaccine working group...

Voting members of the NBSB include experts from universities, the pharmaceutical industry, and medical groups.

If our government actually stands up to this and demands safety trials before administering the vaccine - I'll donate that $1 to re-election funds on my next tax return...but I imagine I'll get to keep my dollar! And remember, I believe the government knows adult uptake on this vax will be slow - that's why they are preparing our schools to get ready early. Mom and Dad may not want the vax, but if they are told that Junior has to be kept out of school during 'flu season' (newly redefined as Oct-May) - junior is probably going to get the shot, safety trials or not.

So they are really gearing up for this so called 'mild illness'.

[Marnica]

If there are limited swine flu shots during a pandemic that turns more serious, experts are not sure people will be as willing to skip getting a vaccine.

I wouldn't be too sure about that....Ship my dose anywhere you want cause I don't want it!!

[mommysarah5]

Originally Posted by Turquesa

So.....if it could mutate into a more dangerous form.....what's the point of pushing the vax NOW? Or at all if the virus is capable of mutating?

well, to prove themselves right. They say it will mutate, that create a vax (which will be imperfect and the CAUSE of the strain mutating into something worse) and then they will say "see we told you it would mutate."

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by Gitti

My grandmother lived to be 96 without any vaccines ever and my mother is now 86 and still doing well. I will take a chance with my own immune system.

Awesome If your grandmother could survive the dreaded 1918 flu pandemic (as well as my grandfather, born 1901, and my other grandfather and grandmother as well- all born before 1918!) way back when there were NO antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections, surely we are not all doomed to early deaths as they would have us believe. Today we have IV to treat for dehydration caused by vomiting and diarrhea (a big killer in 3rd world countries, even today) & antibiotics, and modern medical care is a world different than it was in 1918! They do like to make comparisons though, to have us all jumping in fear.

I found this line interesting:

The new pandemic strain is believed to have infected millions of people.

taken from: http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...56J3X120090720


So let's see... out of MILLIONS of people infected by swine flu thus far, how many have actually died from it? (429 at last count, July 6, 2009)

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_07_06/en/index.html

Now, it is not clear how MANY millions of people have actually had swine flu (granted, most people with mild symptoms are just not going to go running to the drs for testing, you know?) but let's just suppose that only 1 million people had it. One would still only have a .042% chance of dying ! And if they meant more like 5 or 10 million had it? Well, that would be .0085% and .0042% chance.

Now I'm not sure about anyone else, but I've kind of lost all faith in the World Health Organization at this point. If they want us to jump in fear over this flu bug that is going around which the reality is that these deaths are incredibly rare yet they have declared this the highest level 6 pandemic that there is, what is going to happen if a more serious contagious disease comes along that people really do start succumbing to? By that point nobody will believe a word of the WHO, it will be the story of Chicken Little crying the sky is falling and nobody even looks up anymore.

Keep in mind how many billions of people are on this earth... and how many or what percentage of those are dying from this flu, and you'll know how concerned you should be.

My only concern at this point is what they have up their sleeve, because something just doesn't add up.

One has to wonder if they expect significantly MORE than the usual # of deaths per year, this winter? (and if so, will it be caused by the vaccine push or the vaccine itself?)

Between 5 percent and 20 percent of the U.S. population develops influenza each year. More than 200,000 are hospitalized from its complications and about 36,000 people die -- with 250,000 to 500,000 deaths globally.

(from the link above)

[Gitti]

I sent this thread to my dd and here was her response -

Good thread. I wonder if these moms know that if their child has to stay home because they did NOT receive the flu vaccine, then the school has to send a certified teacher to their house? It's in the "No child left behind" act.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by newmum35

Awesome If your grandmother could survive the dreaded 1918 flu pandemic (as well as my grandfather, born 1901...

You realize of course that most who died of the 1918 flu were in the military and vaccinated.

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by Gitti

You realize of course that most who died of the 1918 flu were in the military and vaccinated.

Yes I did and thought maybe that's why they were not affected- they escaped the perils of the military! However, My grandfathers younger brother died shortly after serving his time in WWII, so he was back home again but it was some illness I have no idea what. He would have been in his 20's I think. I got the idea it was kind of a mystery to everyone because he made it back home safely only to have that happen.

Good tip about the No Child left Behind Act - had no idea. mine is too young for school, but will pass on the info. is there a link that describes this in more detail.

[tessie]

Originally Posted by Gitti

You realize of course that most who died of the 1918 flu were in the military and vaccinated.

What, all of the estimated 50 to 100 million who died were in the military?

[maxwill129]

Originally Posted by Gitti

I sent this thread to my dd and here was her response -

Good thread. I wonder if these moms know that if their child has to stay home because they did NOT receive the flu vaccine, then the school has to send a certified teacher to their house? It's in the "No child left behind" act.

Can you find out exactly where this is in the No Child Left Behind Act? I can't find it and would like to copy it off and have it on hand.

[Minarai]

Originally Posted by mommysarah5

well, to prove themselves right. They say it will mutate, that create a vax (which will be imperfect and the CAUSE of the strain mutating into something worse) and then they will say "see we told you it would mutate."

And Lord knows what this "mutation" really entails...
They could just make a stronger version of the virus and release it amongst the people and call it a "mutation."

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by tessie

What, all of the estimated 50 to 100 million who died were in the military?

50 to 100 million is an awful big gap. Not very good follow through on who died of what. Other official numbers go down to 20 million. How is anyone supposed to have any faith in these numbers when there is such a huge variation. They could just say 5 million or 600 gazillion and many people would run around repeating those numbers as if they were actually accurate or real.

Like the "Swine Flu" of the 70's, the "Spanish Flu" began on a military base. It spread amongst the youngest, strongest and healthiest of them all and interestingly they had all been vaccinated with typhoid and smallpox shots. At first it was aknowledged that the shots were killing off healthy soldiers, but then that morphed into the "Spanish flu." Of course the soldiers were carriers of the deadly typhus so spouses got the shots and low and behold they too died from the "Spanish Flu."

It's all very interesting since the 1st flu virus wasn't isolated until the early 30's, but somehow they knew it was the flu killing people. Also interesting is that this flu had completely different symptoms then all other flus, and as a matter of fact many symptoms mimicked the types of diseases the soldiers had just been vaccinated for.

[amnesiac]

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