Vegetarian and LDS?? Or just LDS, advice please. - Page 2

[fresh_veggie]

Originally Posted by magstphil

I wish we focused more on the DO's of the WoW than the don'ts because it seriously is such a faboulous code of health when everything is taken into account not just tea, coffee, alcohol, and smoking.

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I love that. I wish people did that more as well. I've been known to cross the Starbucks threshold occasionally, and yet I am by far healthier and more active than lots of people. It seems a bit like Mosaic Law when you just sit there and bash coffee and tea...lol there are SO MANY MORE aspects and things to be learned!! My mother and father are both (and have been) alcoholic, so I've got firsthand experience on what a devastating substance that can be when not taken in moderation. The WoW really is a wonderful piece of scripture. But when BYU takes out the caffeinated drinks and leaves the mint brownies...like one is evil and the other is not...sheesh.

At least this experience will help me never feel guilty if I don't accept a calling from now on. I'd never throw anything at you

[fresh_veggie]

Originally Posted by magstphil

Yeah don't worry I have gotten that a lot (the "just leave"). I'm sure there are those who think I am an apostate or close to it. But if it has taught me anything it is to be a lot kinder to those of us who do struggle in and more importantly with the church.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who think that about me as well. I believe that God is all-understanding and knows why each individual feels the way about every action they take, and therefore is all-forgiving. So no matter what you do, you'll get to be with him someday (summed up version). Some people, when hearing that, totally miss the point and wonder why I'm LDS at all. Why don't I leave? Haha wow, did you not hear the love and acceptance for everyone in my views? Oh well. Just because my testimony doesn't start off with "I know the church is true..." doesn't mean that I don't see truth in the religion, and with all religions. I question in life more, which always seems to get me in trouble.

I've always wished for a bit more kindness and understanding from those who are supposed to be disciples of Christ. Thank you

[Krisis]

Originally Posted by fresh_veggie

But when BYU takes out the caffeinated drinks and leaves the mint brownies...like one is evil and the other is not...sheesh.

Um, mint brownies ARE evil.

Sometimes I wish that in Conference someone would give a talk on the "new" word of wisdom - restate all the DOs and focus more on them. Including "Do not eat McDonalds 5 times a week."

I used to be vegetarian and I miss it a lot. I am wanting to be a "sometimes" vegetarian, eating meat very very very rarely. But right now we are struggling with the eating out thing.

I also have a good friend who is vegetarian and she gets a lot of the same attitude mentioned here - people feel like she is judging them for being a meat eater when really she's just doing what feels right for her. *shrug*

Veggie if you ever want to hang out, we should totally party I'm in Provo all the time, PM me if you ever want to talk

[lilyka]

ok heres the thing though. i really don't know anyone who hunts and does not eat or share the meat (there is a program here that pairs up hunters, small meat processors and food banks. the government covers any costs and thousands of dollars in food are dontated to the poor). Just because they enjoy the sport of it does not mean they are wasting the meat. and is it not better, if you must eat meat, to eat meat that has been well cared for and lived healthy happy lives, had a quick merciful end and has not ravaged the environment than to eat meat that has been factory farmed and put through the ruthlessness and gore of the kill floor of a meat packing plant, polluted the environment through stupid farming, shipped millions of miles from starting farm to finishing farm to meat packing plant to markets to home? I don't know...if you are going to eat meat at least hunting on a well kept, well managed preserve seems smarter and like being better stewards of Gods gifts.

I am a vegetarian - practically vegan (working towards it but I really love breakfast....) but if people are going to eat meat it seems a bigger virtue to treat our animals respectfully on a perserve such as this, kill them respectfully and feed our families fresh healthy natrual meats all while maintaining the integrety of the environment. I am not LDS but if they do not forbid you to eat meat I don't see the problem. I suppose everyone interprets sparingly differently too.

[TopazBlueMama]

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[Moonprysm]

Gotta side with lilyka here. I highly highly doubt these people are hunting for sport and just leaving the body on the ground to decompose. I know the hunting club my FIL is in makes sure the meat is always used, even if not by the hunter. We should get a deer this year from them and we don't even hunt. We let people who enjoy hunting do it and we get the meat or else it goes to shelters.

[lilyka]

i do however think it must be awfully confusing for the church to say one thing and then seem to support another. Do the doctrine of the LDS church change with the times? how is this established? how do members learn of the changes? how much is open to translation? who can you ask for indivual guidence in applying hteser things to your life?

[fresh_veggie]

It's not the thing. Of course I think hunting is much better than frozen burgers from costco. I was NEVER arguing that.

My concerns are from a strictly spiritual viewpoint, compassion aside (even though I'm vegetarian for ethical reasons, an abstain from eggs unless they're from a good local farm)(and lactose intolerant so i don't drink milk anyway).

i do however think it must be awfully confusing for the church to say one thing and then seem to support another. Do the doctrine of the LDS church change with the times? how is this established? how do members learn of the changes? how much is open to translation? who can you ask for indivual guidence in applying hteser things to your life?

That was more my point . Yes the doctrine of the LDS church changes through the times. We have a prophet and apostles who speak to us bi-annually through a televised conference. They speak on issues that they feel are important to the times. As far as how much is open to translation, I think most of it is meant to be taken very literally by the members, and yet most of the members pick and choose which pieces to digest, kind of like "buffet" style. For help in applying these principles to your life (usually wonderful advice and helpful in many aspects of your life, such as avoiding debt and addictions, loving your family, the importance of the family unit in society, etc.) you can talk to your bishop who leads your congregation. You can also meet with people in higher authority closer to the prophet, and even write to the prophet himself (assuming your letter gets past his secretaries). The structure is really quite remarkable.

[fresh_veggie]

Originally Posted by Moonprysm

Gotta side with lilyka here. I highly highly doubt these people are hunting for sport and just leaving the body on the ground to decompose. I know the hunting club my FIL is in makes sure the meat is always used, even if not by the hunter. We should get a deer this year from them and we don't even hunt. We let people who enjoy hunting do it and we get the meat or else it goes to shelters.

They charge less if you do antlerless hunting. Which makes it sound like very few people go out not wanting antlers to hang on their wall. Eat the meat or not, that's "sport."

I don't mind if people elsewhere hunt. That's cool. It's better than eating spent dairy cows. This is a concern strictly because LDS church members been counseled NOT to hunt for sport when we already have food, very healthful fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds that can sustain life and bring health to our bodies, and yet the "top" LDS members disregard this doctrine found in the scriptures (D&C 89 among MANY) and actually condone it and support it by calling missionaries of God to tend to it.

This was not meant to be an anti-hunting thread, sorry.