vaccine in daycare

[zachattack]

I would like to know some advice about the vax that you'd recommend for a 3 month old in daycare. It makes me sick that we have to send our baby to daycare 3x a week but we live in the most expensive part of the country and can not survive on one salary.
Anyway, our child is mostly breast-fed and so far healthy.
I would not vax at all if he were staying home all week but bec. of the daycare situation we are leaning towards giving the
Dtap shot.

Is that shot worth the risk?
Are there any others worth the risk for a child in daycare.

I believe that vax have significantly damaged an entire generation. We do not want our son to become a vaccine casualty.....thanks

[EdnaMarie]

The day-care will most likely have requiremennts and recommendations. I would ask them- they can tell you what is / has been going around. My kids and all their cousins were on schedule and we've not had so much as a fever. I think they are all worth the risk.

[zachattack]

really?

hep b? and chicken pox? worth the risk?

[Gitti]

I believe none are worth the risk, especially not DTaP which is the most reactive of all the vaccines out there and is linked to SIDS.

Just take your time and do your research. Look every vaccine up in the archives before making up your mind.

My three grandchildren, although not day care, but they were in all sort of baby, toddler classes and were in close contact with many kids and grownups from the day they were born. The were never vaccinated and are very healthy. We rely on the natural, unaltered immune system and it seems to be a smart choice.

[ammiga]

Well, odds of catching diphtheria are pretty much zero, tetanus shouldn't be a concern, and the pertussis portion of the vax is so ineffective that I don't consider it to be worth the risk. I know 3 people who were fully UTD vaxed and still got WC (bad cases).

I wouldn't vax at all. The risk isn't any more at daycare than going to the mall.

[Marnica]

My 14.5 month old son started daycare at 3 months old...no vaxes here. I researched each one carefully and found none of them worth the rsik...the DTaP most of all! The only 1 I considered was HIB, but because I am breastfeeding now, I pass. When my son weans (which I hope will not be anytime soon) I will reevaluate this one.

[bobandjess99]

We don't believe any of them are worth the risk ether. Especially not at 3 months.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by bobandjess99

We don't believe any of them are worth the risk ether. Especially not at 3 months.

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I wouldn't be comfortable vaxing a 3 mo old.

-Angela

[peaceful_mama]

Pertussis vax is one of the more reactive, and it's only 80% effective.

Personally, if I were going to be thinking about ANYONE being vaxed in that situation, I'd rather it be my child's daycare worker than my baby.

Why? Well, for one *I* contracted WC as a preschool teacher and transmitted it to my entire family, including my then 5 week old daughter! The only one who did NOT get sick? my ds, who had shots on schedule until 6 months--when I researched and switched docs.


They DO make an adult pertussis vax.

The thing with vaccines is the same dosage goes into the person whether they are an infant or an adult. So....*IF* I were going to say anyone should be vaxed in this situation, it would be the 100 pound plus ADULTS with fully-developed immune system and blood-brain barrier. NOT the 12 pound (approximately) infant whose blood-brain barrier is not at all developed.

Personally, I think the daycares have it backward---if you're going to *require* a vaccination, make it the ADULT one. Even if I DID vax, my daughter at 5 weeks was too young to have received it. Pertussis is a 2 month vax, on schedule. Infants can start daycare in my state as young as 4 weeks.

Even then, you've got a 15-20% chance the vax won't work.....

[alegna]

Originally Posted by peaceful_mama

Pertussis vax is one of the more reactive, and it's only 80% effective.

Personally, if I were going to be thinking about ANYONE being vaxed in that situation, I'd rather it be my child's daycare worker than my baby.

Why? Well, for one *I* contracted WC as a preschool teacher and transmitted it to my entire family, including my then 5 week old daughter! The only one who did NOT get sick? my ds, who had shots on schedule until 6 months--when I researched and switched docs.


They DO make an adult pertussis vax.

The thing with vaccines is the same dosage goes into the person whether they are an infant or an adult. So....*IF* I were going to say anyone should be vaxed in this situation, it would be the 100 pound plus ADULTS with fully-developed immune system and blood-brain barrier. NOT the 12 pound (approximately) infant whose blood-brain barrier is not at all developed.

Personally, I think the daycares have it backward---if you're going to *require* a vaccination, make it the ADULT one. Even if I DID vax, my daughter at 5 weeks was too young to have received it. Pertussis is a 2 month vax, on schedule. Infants can start daycare in my state as young as 4 weeks.

Even then, you've got a 15-20% chance the vax won't work.....

The pertussis vaccine doesn't prevent carriage and transmission, just the worst of the symptoms.

Vaccinated people can still get it- not know they have it- and pass it on.

-Angela

[dinahx]

Hib and Hep B are the two I would consider 'because of daycare'. Unless that daycare is on a Farm, I would not necessarily get the DTaP because of daycare. Like PPs said, it is likely that your LO would get Pertussis even with DTaP. The first dose only provides 19% protection according to the pkg insert and therefore would leave your LO wide open, almost as much as with no shot at all. If you skip any shots you have to submit an exemption anyway.

Hib is strongly assoc. with daycare but is almost unheard of in BFed babies . . . Hep B just survives a long time outside the body, potentially, but in a quality daycare, this should not be a problem.

[frontierpsych]

Curious about HepB for daycare... What would be going on at the daycare that would be likely to spread Hepatitis B?

[mamakah]

Long story short, I wouldn't put the DTaP ANYWHERE near my 3 month old. Pertussis is probably your main worry since your LO will be in daycare. If you get the DTaP for your LO, they will need all 3 shots before they are "fully immune", the last shot is at 6 months, which is when the risk of death from pertussis fades anyway. Will you still be breastfeeding your lo?
I don't think any of the shots are worth the risk for my family. I can honestly say that the DTaP is probably the shot that scares me the most (well, and the MMR).
* I would also like to point out that the efficiancy of the P in the DTaP is not as high as the others. I've known 2 kids to get pertussis one was 2, the other 12 months, both fully vaccinated. My unvaxed son was around the 2 yr old when she had it, he was about 6 months, exclusively breastfed, never caught it.
My advice: Don't give any shots until you have extensively researched every shot, disease, etc. As many people have said before, you can always get the shot, you can't take it back once you give it.

[mommyto3girls]

My kids were in full time day care from 11 weeks and 16 weeks respectively. Maia had no hep B and the 2, 4, 6 month vaxes before i stopped. Sage has had nothing. I was much more concerned about vax reactions than the slight chance of contracting a "VPD"

Hep B has always been virtually unheard of in children even beore the vax ( the exception being those born to hep B + mothers who should deinatley be vax'd and receive the immunogolbulins) prior to the introduction of the Hep B vaccine the CDC reported 100 cases of Hep B per year TOTAL in kids newborn-10 years old and that included parent child transmission at birth! Babies are not at risk of HepB unless mom or a member o the household has hep b

[lanamommyphd07]

Dd has always been in daycare, no vaccines, and she contracted rotavirus (I think) a couple of times (I always wondered if she picked it up from a recently vaxed kid but haven't seen anything conclusive about shedding)...needless to say, we got through the rotavirus. I used vacation time..that's what I plan on doing for all (well, within reason) of them, if I can just get her exposed..

[MeepyCat]

We put our son in daycare at ten weeks, and because of that, chose to get the whole run of vaccinations. If I had it to do over, I would spread them out a bit - no more than two shots in a visit - but I'd still do it.

Daycare comes with a ton of unpreventable illness, even for breastfed kids. IMO, it is not like taking your kid to the mall. How many other children does your baby lick in a day at the mall? We didn't send our kid to daycare for fun, we sent him because I needed to be able to work, so we needed him to be able to attend as much as possible... which meant vaccinating him against anything that could possibly be avoided.

[amnesiac]

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[EdnaMarie]

hep b? and chicken pox? worth the risk?

Yes, definitely.

The CDC outlines the risk of complications for the diseases as well as getting the vaccines. Naturally, these vary depending on who gets the vaccines (it's not worth it if only one person gets vaccinated) but if the majority of people do, it saves lives.

I understand that some people would argue that the CDC is not acknowledging the risk of the unknown, i.e. that in theory, for example, vaccines could cause people's heads to implode and their feet to turn purple.

However, that risk is there for getting chicken pox as well, so I maintain that if we look at what has been scientifically proven, the risks are fewer if we vaccinate.

I used vacation time..that's what I plan on doing for all (well, within reason) of them, if I can just get her exposed..

See, for me this is a major negative. I'd love to spend my vacation with my children. But I'd want to spend it with them being happy, doing new and exciting things, not having them weeping on the couch because of sores. We had H1N1 and were sick for two weeks. My daughter missed the Fourth of July parade and fireworks. It sucked for her, it sucked for us, she got a secondary ear infection and we were terrified that her baby sister would get it.

Would I have taken the shot, and, say, a 1/500k risk or whatever at allergic reaction, and saved those two weeks? Especially since antibiotics, ibuprofen, tylenol, and fevers over 105 are not without their own risks.

Absolutely.

[mama1803]

Originally Posted by EdnaMarie

Yes, definitely.

The CDC outlines the risk of complications for the diseases as well as getting the vaccines. Naturally, these vary depending on who gets the vaccines (it's not worth it if only one person gets vaccinated) but if the majority of people do, it saves lives.

I understand that some people would argue that the CDC is not acknowledging the risk of the unknown, i.e. that in theory, for example, vaccines could cause people's heads to implode and their feet to turn purple.

However, that risk is there for getting chicken pox as well, so I maintain that if we look at what has been scientifically proven, the risks are fewer if we vaccinate.



See, for me this is a major negative. I'd love to spend my vacation with my children. But I'd want to spend it with them being happy, doing new and exciting things, not having them weeping on the couch because of sores. We had H1N1 and were sick for two weeks. My daughter missed the Fourth of July parade and fireworks. It sucked for her, it sucked for us, she got a secondary ear infection and we were terrified that her baby sister would get it.

Would I have taken the shot, and, say, a 1/500k risk or whatever at allergic reaction, and saved those two weeks? Especially since antibiotics, ibuprofen, tylenol, and fevers over 105 are not without their own risks.

Absolutely.

Well, for some people the 1/500k risk "or whatever" as you so inconsequentially call it, isn't worth it to save two weeks of vacation time. My children's health is far more valuable to me than that. I'd much rather miss July 4 fireworks than have my child suffer a life altering reaction.