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post #1 of 23
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A surprising number of books and movies aimed at children and teenage girls portray abusive relationships as normal, acceptable, even desirable. Twilight for example. He's mean and nice at random intervals, regardless of her behavior. He watches her sleep. He's controlling. Sex in the later books is tantamount to rape, with her covered in bruises afterwards. There are continual reminders that he could hurt or kill her at any time. Definitely not a healthy relationship. Beauty and the Beast is another example. He treats her like total crap, even physically threatening her, but she remains loving and patient and eventually he realizes he loves her and repents of his abusive ways.

What other books or movies portray this kind of relationship as good?
post #2 of 23
What version of Beauty and the Beast? Because while I could see that story being about how how a brutal beast can become a good man if the woman just loves him enough, the versions I've seen have been about looking past a beastly exterior and an awkward first impression to find the generally decent man beneath.

ETA: Specifically, in the versions I've read the Beast goes out of his way to not be physically intimidating.
post #3 of 23
I agree with you on Twilight. Those books (the whole genre) remind me of that S&M-style 'erotic literature.' Bleh.
post #4 of 23
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What version of Beauty and the Beast? Because while I could see that story being about how how a brutal beast can become a good man if the woman just loves him enough, the versions I've seen have been about looking past a beastly exterior and an awkward first impression to find the generally decent man beneath.

ETA: Specifically, in the versions I've read the Beast goes out of his way to not be physically intimidating.
I was talking about the Disney version. He screams at her (at least once right in her face, when she put the cloth on his arm), knocks things around when she upsets him, denies her food if she won't eat with him, restricts her movement, etc. All very abusive behavior. But she just continues to be sweet and patient and suddenly he stops being abusive and then YAY! They're in love.
post #5 of 23
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I was talking about the Disney version. He screams at her (at least once right in her face, when she put the cloth on his arm), knocks things around when she upsets him, denies her food if she won't eat with him, restricts her movement, etc. All very abusive behavior. But she just continues to be sweet and patient and suddenly he stops being abusive and then YAY! They're in love.
Yells in pain and is actually physically an animal. The thing that gets me about "oh well, Edward's a vampire, so it's okay" is that Edward will never be human. Whereas Belle doesn't marry the Beast until he's human again.

I don't remember if Belle was present when he threw things around.

If she'd asked for food in her room, my guess is she would've gotten it. I suspect she wasn't hungry what with being homesick and all.

Restricting her movement? That one's a little hard to call in the time the story's set. Castle in the middle of a woods, in an era where it's a huge deal to go to a village 5 miles away, it's not like being kept in a house and not being allowed to go to the neighbors. Only visiting distant family once a year isn't that unusual and never seeing them again when wolf-filled forest separates you is pretty common. Plus, I think she could've ridden her horse off the grounds any time. It just wouldn't have been a good idea because of the terrain. But he didn't build the castle there to keep women in, the castle was there, then the surrounding area became unsafe.

Belle isn't changing how she acts because of his actions. She doesn't start walking on eggshells to avoid his temper. She's being patient and sweet because that's how she is not because she's scared she'll get hurt if she isn't patient and sweet.

Now, the Disney version does have Disney's typical problem of having the girl be goodness personified. If there was a bit more of Belle telling Beast "shape up, resist what your beast body is telling you" it would be better. OTOH, having the control all come from Beast with no expectation that Belle will love him if he does so makes it more likely that there was a true change from resisting the impulses of the beast form to not having the impulses.

Or not, it's been awhile since I've seen the Disney version. And Twilight is just so very very abusive that I may just be seeing other relationships as normal in contrast.

Oh, and finally, I don't think the relationship is portrayed as something to be desired. More, "isn't it nice for them?" Lots of little girls want to be Belle, but very few want to marry the prince Beast becomes.
post #6 of 23
And they are named Belle and Bella. Hmmm.

(I enjoy Twilight, but I am definitely Team Jacob.)
post #7 of 23
Sex in the Twilight books is absolutely not remotely close to rape.

If you read the books - they are hugely attracted to each other and desperately in love. Bella wants to have sex with him. She tries to get him to have sex with her many, many times.

She is bruised because he is is practically made of stone. They knew this was a risk and they decided together to take that risk. She made that choice. She was not raped.

To equate the Twilight books with rape is so over the top. It's not even close to a rape situation.
post #8 of 23
Belle hauls off and yells at the Beast several times. She is scared of him -- he's scary! -- but she doesn't let that intimidate her into accepting bad treatment.

She is the one who ultimately has the power in the relationship, to change him and set him free, or to kill him. Whether THAT is a realistic message to send kids is another story, but it is definitely the message of the original fairy-tale itself.
post #9 of 23
Sookie Stackhouse in yet another vampire story.
post #10 of 23
I don't think the sex in Twilight was anywhere near rape either. She practically had to force him to have sex with her because he knew that he would hurt her. As someone else said he was made of stone and he is like 100xs stronger than her without even trying. I do agree that their relationship is messed up, but I don't think it is abusive, they seem pretty co-dependant, but they are both madly in love with each other. He seems cruel at times, but I think that he feels that he is doing what he has to do to keep her safe.
post #11 of 23
Wuthering Heights, definitely.

Jane Eyre, almost.
post #12 of 23
Well, this probably isn't a teen novelist - but my partner's niece reads her. I think this author is actually a romance novelist - for adults. Christine Feehan - I read one of the books my partner's niece was reading. OMG!!!! Direct quote from the man to the woman he loves: "If you ever do that again, I'll beat you within an inch of your life." Said twice to her. When she tried to leave the house without him.

Actually, I notice a lot of romance novels have this element: controlling/abusive man. There are exceptions, but not many.

I agree on Twilight. If any man acted like Edward towards me, I'd get a restraining order. Conversely, if I were like Bella, I'd hope my parents would get me some counseling.

Agree on Beauty and the Beast - Stockholm syndrome! At least, the Disney movie version had that element.

I can't think of more on the spot .... but, I know there are tons more. I see them in YA section a lot when shopping for books for my nieces. It's so hard to find good, strong, independent female characters with respectful males. Or a book without that whole element of "she's a girl, we need to protect her."
post #13 of 23
Ron/Hermione in Harry Potter. The constant mockery, jealousy, fighting, violence, abandonment - their relationship makes me ill.
post #14 of 23
Belle didn't "remain loving and patient" to an abusive Beast. She didn't start loving him until he showed that despite being embittered and lacking in self-control (to say the least), he could change to be a good guy.

I agree their relationship is not unproblematic - could you really love someone who'd imprisoned you, not to mention your father, without shades of Stockholm? - but it wasn't like that. One could argue that Belle demonstrated an admirable ability to remain gracious in adverse circumstances.

I was wondering about Their Eyes Were Watching God, which is one of my favourite books. At one point Tea Cake beats Janie up, not for anything she's done but because he's jealous that another woman is trying to marry Janie off to her brother. The way it's written, it seems like Zora Neale Hurston approves of it, and goes at length to describe how it was only a couple of face slaps, how both the men and the women around them were jealous of how lovingly he beat her up and how lovingly she responded to it... it's kinda disturbing. From the wider context of the book it's clear Janie and Tea Cake did have a good - or more importantly, fulfilling - relationship, and Hurston seems more anxious that their life together be vital and riotous than gentle and PC. I can only assume she put the wife-beating part in there to draw a parallel between Tea Cake, who loved her but beat her, and Janie's previous husband who never struck her but killed her soul inch by inch through disrespect and lack of passion. And of course, elsewhere she writes about Janie trying to beat up Tea Cake, and Janie eventually does the supreme thing by shooting him to save her own life. And the book is generally considered pretty feminist and empowered and so on; and when reading the whole thing, I do get that sense. But still. He beats her up for no good reason, and Hurston seems to think that's OK.

There's also Spike and Buffy, or Angel and Buffy, or heck, Riley and Buffy; with various parties contributing their own dysfunction to the relationships at various times. That said, the show does portray the abuse as bad: not just the big stuff, like when Spike tries to rape Buffy, but the minor-but-cumulative stuff like Buffy treating Riley badly.
post #15 of 23
Funny that all modern examples feature NONHuman males. Not many girls are at risk of dating a vampire and the acceptability of the behavior doesnt translate well to men of the human variety.
post #16 of 23
Outlander.

1/2 the romances "she'll lo-uh-hate that rogue so strong and virile, but you can tell it's love right from first rape!"

Waaay too much manga.
post #17 of 23
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I can't think of more on the spot .... but, I know there are tons more. I see them in YA section a lot when shopping for books for my nieces. It's so hard to find good, strong, independent female characters with respectful males. Or a book without that whole element of "she's a girl, we need to protect her."
The Kate and Cecelia books by Wrede and Stevermer have that. Of course, after the first book they're married to the respectful males in question, so that might have a lot to do with it.
post #18 of 23
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Sex in the Twilight books is absolutely not remotely close to rape.

If you read the books - they are hugely attracted to each other and desperately in love. Bella wants to have sex with him. She tries to get him to have sex with her many, many times.

She is bruised because he is is practically made of stone. They knew this was a risk and they decided together to take that risk. She made that choice. She was not raped.

To equate the Twilight books with rape is so over the top. It's not even close to a rape situation.
I've just finished reading all of the Twilight "Saga". (I've learned I'm what is known as an "lolfan") Anyway...while I agree that the relationship between Bella and Edward is not healthy at ALL...I do agree with the above post. No where in the books did he force her to have sex. Actually Bella was the aggressor in that sense. If anything I found myself rather annoyed at his puritanical attitude about it. He seemed to almost sneer at Bella for desiring to have sex with him. I thought he kinda dismissed her feelings and was kind of mean to her about it. I understand he didn't want to hurt her, but he didn't have to be so assy to her about it (rolling his eyes when she was upset he wouldn't make love to her...)
post #19 of 23
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Funny that all modern examples feature NONHuman males. Not many girls are at risk of dating a vampire and the acceptability of the behavior doesnt translate well to men of the human variety.
I think that's why it's so accepted/considered romantic in stories such as Twilight. There's supposed to be an element of 'danger' in their relationship that wouldn't be present if she were dating say...the captain of the football team. I mean, Vampires are immortal and have supernatural powers...compared to that...Bella does seem very fragile. (as if we didn't get that point already...myers constantly reminds of it )

For some reason if Edward Cullen were just a rich, good looking regular human, I think the reaction to him might be different. Personally he would drive me insane. I find his character to be insufferable.
post #20 of 23
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Sookie Stackhouse in yet another vampire story.

definately I am thinking of Club Dead and how she makes excuses in the next two books.
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