Is it possible to O without fertile CM/CP

[Sihaya]

if you usually have those signs and had them at a different point in the same cycle?

My chart

Since DS was born, I've never O'd this early in my cycle and my LP has never been this long. Pregnancy is extremely unlikely because we used withdrawal when we DTD on CD12. I've taken 3 CVS brand HPTs and they were all BFNs.

CD24 is much more believable as an O date, except that I was checking my CM and CP all day (expecting AF because of the temp dip) and it was not at all fertile - low, firm, closed cervix and just the tiniest bit of creamy mucus. This doesn't make any sense to me, but it is obvious now from my temps that I O'd, I just don't know when.

Any input is greatly appreciated!

[~Shanna~]

I wanted to post this in case I get interupted before I look at your chart: DS was conceived using withdrawl. My hunch is that it doesn't even count as an attempt at birth control . Now, I'll try to check out your chart - haven't looked at one in a long time. Hugs, chica.

[~Shanna~]

I could make a case for either, depending on what happened on days 11 or 18th that might have led to them being outliers. I'm so sorry I don't have more expertise. Your stress level has been high, it and your prior experience might tip me slightly towards the later O date. I do think I've Ovulated without fertile CM - I sometimes felt like mine came directly after, but it's just a hunch.

[zoebird]

i think just about anything is possible in a cycle. but it looks to me like the actual O may have been later, like day 18 or something, rather than earlier.

[Sihaya]

Originally Posted by ~Shanna~

I wanted to post this in case I get interupted before I look at your chart: DS was conceived using withdrawl. My hunch is that it doesn't even count as an attempt at birth control .

I completely agree. I said as much on a thread here once, though, and was thoroughly reprimanded. My O date has been CD20-25, so I really did not think CD12 was in my fertile time, EW CM or not.

Originally Posted by ~Shanna~

I could make a case for either, depending on what happened on days 11 or 18th that might have led to them being outliers. I'm so sorry I don't have more expertise. Your stress level has been high, it and your prior experience might tip me slightly towards the later O date. I do think I've Ovulated without fertile CM - I sometimes felt like mine came directly after, but it's just a hunch.

If something crazy happens (cold/hot room, weird temp time, wake up with no blankets, etc.) I always make a note of it on my paper chart. No notes, so I don't know of anything that would explain CD11 or 18. The stress level thing is so true, but it hasn't seemed to mess up my cycle over the past 6 months or so and I've been just as stressed if not more for some time now

Originally Posted by zoebird

i think just about anything is possible in a cycle. but it looks to me like the actual O may have been later, like day 18 or something, rather than earlier.

Thanks for looking!

[cking]

I think I could make a case for either also (really, cd14, 18 or 24), but if it helps, i think dtd on cd12 was less risky since your ewcm didn't start until the next day.

[Sihaya]

Originally Posted by cking

I think I could make a case for either also (really, cd14, 18 or 24)

Hmm, I just don't see CD18. It doesn't follow the FAM rules because the first three temps after aren't any higher than three of the temps before.

Originally Posted by cking

but if it helps, i think dtd on cd12 was less risky since your ewcm didn't start until the next day.

I guess I need a refresher on how long sperm can live in different kinds of mucus. I figured sex at night when I had EW CM the next morning was probably pretty risky, especially since I usually only check mucus once during the day and I know I didn't check it immediately before DTD (but I should probably start )

Well, I guess all that's left to do is wait for a BFP or AF. Either way I should know about a week from now...

[Sihaya]

Update: AF is here on CD28. I've only had this short a cycle one other time since DS was born. Looks like CD14 is more likely for O given CM/CP and the fact that I don't think my LP was only 4 days long.

Thank you everyone who gave your input!