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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle6719696.ece

Not sure what to think of this, anyone want to take a gander at it? I don't agree with it, but it's being passed around as reliable info, so I thought it was relevant to this board.

Read. Then Discuss. Keep it civil though :

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post #2 of 19
Yawn...it's not up to the "breastfeeding lobby" to prove benefits...the onus is on formula companies to prove that formula is not HARMFUL. I'm tired of BF & formula feeding being placed on equal ground in a debate...
post #3 of 19
UGH! I will never understand the purpose of these types of articles. I don't care if b/f really doesn't fight obesity, etc. It's still the best way.

Why aren't there scandelous articles about how broccoli really isn't as great as they say? Should we stop eating it?

"We have much more research to do on brussel sprouts, so avoid them until further notice!"
post #4 of 19
I don't BF for the health aspects alone. I BF because it's essentially free, and way easier. (Oh, and I WOH FT and pump, so it's not easy and it's not free, but it's still important enough for me to do that.)

There's so much more to nursing than just the food.
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Youngfrankenstein View Post
UGH! I will never understand the purpose of these types of articles. I don't care if b/f really doesn't fight obesity, etc. It's still the best way.

Why aren't there scandelous articles about how broccoli really isn't as great as they say? Should we stop eating it?

"We have much more research to do on brussel sprouts, so avoid them until further notice!"
That's where my head went with it too LOL
post #6 of 19
One would need to know how the research defined "breastfeeding"-- Is one week of breastfeeding included in the data for breastfeeding infants or formula feeding infants? Was any distinction made between full time long term nursing and short duration nursing or part time nursing? If babies that are nursed for two weeks are included with babies that self weaned, it would be hard to draw accurate conclusions.
post #7 of 19
Doesn't matter to me either. I agree w/a pp that said that the formula co have the responsibility to prove that formula is safe, which they haven't.

No one should have to prove that BF is amazing, that's a given. Plus, studies seem to be open to so much interpretation, anyone can make the numbers say what they want.

Humans make milk for their babies=human milk is best for babies. End of story.
post #8 of 19
Here is a response a friend of mine wrote here in Britian, in her blog which i thought was excellent. A formula feeding friend of mine read it and said it actually made her see things differently than she had before

http://noblesavage.me.uk/2009/07/21/...t-just-normal/
post #9 of 19
"Try hearing the very same health care providers, lactation consultants and friends (both ‘real’ and online) who helped you in one of your most difficult times, as a new mother struggling to learn how to relate to and care for your baby, compared to a murderous, fascist regime."


post #10 of 19
My scattered thoughts, as a scientist and breastfeeding mom:

I agree that the scientific evidence on breastfeeding health benefits is overhyped. The science is just not nearly as strong as some of the rhetoric.

However, just because there is some overselling, that doesn't mean that benefits do not exist. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. And, as Red Pyjama noted, the inclusion criteria for a given study can play a major role in influencing the outcomes. Once you roll a bunch of studies (mostly observational, some experimental) into a meta-analysis, the waters get pretty muddy.

One of my personal favourite overview charts on the epidemiology of breastfeeding is this one:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...fits_bfing.jpg

It's beginning to be a little out of date at this point, but I think it nicely makes the point that there are different levels of evidence -- some statements have more weight behind them than others.

Strong scientific evidence is difficult to come by in this context partly because there are only a rare few situations in which you can run a randomized controlled trial on breastfeeding. (And you're certainly never going to get a double-blinded study. Most women can tell whether or not they are nursing. ) Even for cohort studies (prospective or retrospective), until you get significant numbers of women breastfeeding to the recommended age, it can be difficult (read: the research gets more and more expensive) to get sufficient sample size to really dig into the results of following those recommendations.

I notice when the science around breastfeeding is overhyped. Although I recognize that there may be some good reasons for this (e.g., lactivism is going up against some very powerful financial interests and discouraging social norms) my concern about the overselling is that it can lead to people rejecting the science entirely. If you make it sound like babies who are not breastfed are doomed to illness, anyone with a brain can look around and note that that is just not true. Some people respond to that by then deciding that there is no meaningful difference at all. It's really difficult to talk about small probabilities in a way that emphasizes a large relative risk (e.g., twice the chances of XYZ) but also acknowledges a small base risk/natural frequency (e.g., 2 in ten thousand vs. 1 in ten thousand.)

So I get the concern. However, I personally find even the limited 'strong' evidence fairly compelling, and because I am very aware of the limitations of science, I recognize that some systems are complex enough that they do not lend themselves well to standard methodology. Every day, we get more and more evidence that hey, when you take a complex system and start mucking around with it, you get unintended consequences. I don't think that nature is benign, but I have a healthy respect for nature, and as a mammal, that's one of the many reasons I am still nursing my 3 y.o.

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Note 1: When I say 'the science' or 'scientific evidence' I'm really talking about the epidemiology, because as far as I can tell as a non-bench scientist, the biology and microbiology on this question are pretty darn strong.

Note 2: Type 1 diabetes was mentioned in the article by Kramer as one of the things for which there isn't much evidence to suggest that breastfeeding is protective. In that case, as in many others, I imagine, there will be more data coming. It will be worth watching to see the results that come out of TRIGR, a 10 year, multicentre trial looking at the environmental triggers for type 1. They strongly encourage exclusive breastfeeding to six months, but for moms who don't breastfeed, switch to formula, or supplement, they are randomizing babies to either standard formula or a formula with the cow's milk proteins broken down. So in the end, they should be able to do a comparison of exclusively breastfed babies and both types of formula (observational), as well as comparing the two types of formula (RCT.) I am not 100% sure, but I believe that the trial is fully enrolled now and they're just waiting for all the kids to reach age 10.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Youngfrankenstein View Post

"We have much more research to do on brussel sprouts, so avoid them until further notice!"
eggs.
no one can decide if eggs are good or not. ITA babies need to breast feed. bottom line.
post #12 of 19
I wonder who paid him to say that.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Lydiah View Post
I wonder who paid him to say that.
Kramer is an well known and respected epidemiologist at McGill who has done several randomized controlled trials in the area of breastfeeding - he's one of the only researchers who has done this. His work has generated some evidence that is the 'best' we have from an epi point of view. He is very pro breastfeeding - so I doubt anyone paid him to say that.

I agree with what Pi said, and Swam3 too. I wish formula had to compare itself to breastmilk in trials before it was mass marketed - sadly it didn't.

There is a lot of evidence from poorly done studies that show protective effects of breastfeeding. As lactivists we need to acknowledge that those studies are weak and push for better studies if we feel that scientific evidence is important. That doesn't weaken the importance of breastfeeding one bit. Sure we're not certain that breastfeeding protects against type 1 diabetes - so what? We have great evidence to show it protects against ear infections, gastro, NEC, resp illnesses, helps to allow kids to reach maximum IQ potential (that was Kramer's work), and breast cancer in mom. I worry that presenting weak evidence as reasons to breastfeed will undermine our efforts in the long run. I'd rather accept that some evidence is weak and point out that there is NO evidence to show that formula is protective for any illness!
post #14 of 19
oops...just a sec...
post #15 of 19
Yes, I do think we need more and better-designed studies about how breastfed babies' health outcomes are different – and I know in my heart, better – than FF kids.
At the end of the day, however, I don't really care. The health differences may be so subtle that they're only obvious across populations and not in individual babies. (Which is why public health agencies make sometimes overstated arguments in favor of it)
But nursing has been one of the most important experiences in MY life and I see how much MY one-year-old loves to be at the breast.
I wonder if lactivists should even get drawn into this statistical debate. Would we switch if some magical formula was developed that was proven better than mother's milk?
Of course not, because breastfeeding isn't just a way of administering some healthful substance like a spoonful of cod liver oil.
It is so, so much more.
That's what I try to do out in the world as a lactivist – not spouting statistics but trying to share how much this bond means to me as a mother.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Megan73 View Post
But nursing has been one of the most important experiences in MY life and I see how much MY one-year-old loves to be at the breast.
I love this - and I agree, we need to see much more of it 'out there'!
post #17 of 19

It has no bearing

in the need to normalize breastfeeding as a society. God forbid formula is eventually deemed equal (it never can be I know); it makes absolutely no difference in the world to our wish for breastfeeding to be looked on as a completely normal act of motherhood and human-kind which in turn can and would increase the amount of breastfeeders in the world.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by _betsy_ View Post
I don't BF for the health aspects alone. I BF because it's essentially free, and way easier. (Oh, and I WOH FT and pump, so it's not easy and it's not free, but it's still important enough for me to do that.)

There's so much more to nursing than just the food.
We were discussing this at the LLL meeting this month. I said that breastfeeding for the health benefits is awesome, but there are so many more advantages as well- convenience, cost, bonding, psychological benefits, not to mention the health benefits for mom. All of those things seem to get left out when these sort of articles pop up. It's much like the vaccine debate- anyone who refuses to vaccine is doing it because of autism...which is hardly the case!
post #19 of 19
Huh. Well, I never got asthma despite mom's 2-pack a day habit (quit while pregnant both times, but for the rest of my childhood? yeah...), so it's interesting that it was her healthy lifestyle and not breastfeeding to age three that made the difference.
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