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Poll Results: are your children in conflict...

Poll expired: Aug 21, 2009 This is a multiple choice poll
  • 0% (0)
    never
  • 6% (4)
    rarely
  • 20% (12)
    sometimes
  • 37% (22)
    mostly at home, not so much elsewhere
  • 20% (12)
    very often
  • 3% (2)
    most of the time
  • 8% (5)
    most of the time, at home and everywhere else
  • 3% (2)
    ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE
  • 0% (0)
    I wish they would :-)
59 Total Votes  
post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
... drives us truly crazy.

My kids deeply love each other, and lately it shows more by them sometimes spontaneously hugging/kissing each other or saying they like/missed each other. BUT sibling conflict hasn't been ANY less. It's been going on for a pretty long time already that they've been what seems to us like fighting at least half of the day, sometimes more. I know in general sibling conflict and rivalry are normal, and healthy. But here it is so frequent, continuous even, and our constant concerns of someone getting (really) hurt have been come true countless times (and occasionally with visible marks). Whatver we try, whatever we do, they are these two personalities that seem to (need to?) fight most of the time... I find myself HAVING to intervene all day long, trying to have them concentrate on separate activities, in seperate rooms, or quiet activities together, but it seems like any type of activity and any type of object seems to end in conflict, if not at the start, or the middle, then for sure in the end. I/we go shopping with them, they fight (physically, too); at home, they fight; on the playground/in the park it's often a parental nightmare, again there they are SO wild/active and/or in conflict that it gets reckless, often chasing each other that leads from one to the other; at other people's homes, the same; in the car: so far so good, trips have been no longer than 30 min. (but then again on the road it's often been ds2 having serious, crazy, dangerous meltdowns :-(), so I do fear for our road trip to come (see other thread).
Also, I sure know how to distinguish normal 'wild play' and rough play, and where it is getting, or most likely will get, out of hand/violent. Often though it happens in just a few seconds and it's too late to intervenve.
They just seem too absorbed in the wild(er)ness/issues between themselves to have ears for someone else trying to provide outside help to get out of conflict zone. Frustration buildup with parent as a result which also doesn't help but after x times TRYING ypour very best and no change, that's pretty normal I guess. I give myself and dh much credit for that, as did many ppl in our environment when they see how it's been going on so often between our children (I notice most ppl seem to finally understand what we were talking about when they'd experienced it a couple of times with our kids, otherwise we mostly feel being judged as parents/children/family by attitude and looks :-( ). It's plain frustrating, exhausting, and saddening too. I try to do many fun activities, at home, often enough outdoors, sometimes away (but that's often the worst...) and it doesn't seem to change any of the energy. Often wondering why I put all this energy in all of this for just the very same 'result'.
Does at least someone recognise this with his/her children? I do not see it anywhere around us! Yes, hyperactive child hee and there, but not TWO and then two that are in conflict all of the time. We feel like a pretty abnormal kids-always-in-conflict- parents-not-having-control (I mean, judged by others, I personally do not wish the control-all type of parent :-).
It seems like ENDless some days/weeks, and we are just (literally, and figuratively speaking) tired of having them hurt each other, or have new scratches and other (mostly considerably small) injuries...and them seemingly not caring much about having hurt each other and it happening again the next day, and the next, ...

The only way to have them in two seperate rooms actually, by now, would mean locking them in, seriously, they always keep on looking for each other with the known consequence(s)! And of course (for clarity!!!), NO WAY we're gonna do that, ever!

Fyi: please don't talk to me about the book on the subject :-(, I do not have it right now (hard to get my hands on it here), do not have a library where I can get it either.
What I need NOW is some clever adice/tips (not a(nother) book recommendation.)
HELP.
And thx.
post #2 of 11
Thread Starter 
Btw, I filled in 'most of the time, at home and everywhere else' because they do not fight the full 100 percent of their awake time. But I must admit it's pretty close, and I was slightly tempred to choose 'always' because it feels like it is
post #3 of 11
My older DSs were like this when they were younger. They were a bit older than yours, I think, my kids' conflict seemed to peek around school age. But yes, pretty much all the time, and everywhere. I was a single mom and there were 3 of them and man, it was tough. I limited car trip because they'd fight so bad in the car. I never took all of them to a store at the same time. I remember one time on the way to the portrait studio the oldest hit the youngest in the back seat of the car and gave him a nose bleed all over his dress shirt and we had to turn around and go back home. So yeah, you are not alone!

The good news is, now they are 17, 15, & 13 and they do get along very well with each other now- for the most part, a few words back and forth here and there but not often and I can't remember the last time it turned physical.

When they were little I found the best was to keep them busy. They always fought more when they were bored. Do they like making crafts and such projects?

I tried to have them do activities apart from each other, I know yours are kind of young for sports, but are there any activities they could do seperate? Sunday school classes, swimming lessons, even just you taking one to the park for a couple hours while DH does something else with the other one. Give them a chance to miss each other.

When they do fight, the only thing I know to do is to seperate them. Do they have seperate rooms? The second they started fighting I would make them go into seperate rooms and tell them they are welcome to come out anytime they want to, but if they fight, they will have to go back in there.

How about rewarding them on the few occasions you do catch them getting along well? I'm not sure exactly how or with what, but with very young kids, that seems like it could help.

I hope you'll get plenty of good advice here, and just hang in there! It will get better over time!

ETA- I didn't vote on the pole because right now the answer would be rarely, but a while back, it sure would have been most of the time, everywhere!
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
Well, ds1 goes 5 mornings/week to preschool, and now still 3mornings/week to Summer pre-school activities.
One thing that is that ds1 has never napped after 15months of age, then ds2 gave up regular afternoon nap between 2-2,5 (that being pretty normal I think) so that made that ds1 and I have not had the one on one time as we had when ds2 was younger. But I try to do activities with him still when ds2 is also around, or evenings, or sometimes in the we. But mostly, it's the 3 or 4of us together indeed.
Ds1 is very creative and actually takes initiative by himself with self-invented craft projects.
Ds2 can hardly sit still unless watching a movie he likes or reading a book he loves, likes to help/follow me around the house too (in contrast to ds1 :-). So I try to take my chance there and it may work once in a while but fact is that they just keep on looking for each other when they're both home/together. They seem to have this love-hate thing like they can't be without and they can't be with eachj other :-).
But to have this going on as a parent, is very very very exhausting and very very very upsetting. Not only to me, dh experiences the same as soon as he gets home and he gets exhausted from it WITHIN THE HOUR lol.

AT LEAST one thing is good: after 9 we finally have peace and quiet for ourselves, but the other side is that many times it happened that I just fell asleep together with the kids after another 'heavy with conflict/energy' day, so that we didn't even have a proper adult conversation some days, lol.

I do hope they'll grow out of it. It's just... crazy!
post #5 of 11
we have a similar unit here ds 1 and 2 fight often. it actually has gotten better in the past year. at the end of last summer i thought somone might not make it thru the summer. it helped when they both started school in the fall and actually this christmas we got a wii and a lego batman game that they both ended up enjoyi ng and now they are both in love with legos. well finding an activity that they both liked has definately helped. before that ds 1 was only into sports and ds 2 has no real interest in sports. they do still fight and have been more recently probably based on being summer both home most of the time and the weather being so awful this summer. i am sure that ds #2 will really miss ds #1 this fall when he starts first grade for a full day and ds #2 will only be in pre k three mornings.
it is funny b/c so far they both love ds #3 but he is only 15 monthsm and hasn't really bugged them too much yet we shall see
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by swiesz View Post
we have a similar unit here ds 1 and 2 fight often. it actually has gotten better in the past year. at the end of last summer i thought somone might not make it thru the summer.
This last sentence says it all! That's EXACTLY how we feel about the constant physically turning conflict here... pushing, pulling, hitting, the number of times they made each other fall (with the head) against something hard has been countless, theyve been pretty 'lucky' so far, fingers crossed.
post #7 of 11
Yes, yes and more yes. I have 5 but 4 who really interact with each other and it's constant. I feel like I spend most days playing referee. They all antagonize each other, get irritated when they're on the receiving end of it and it's highly likely that I'll end up in a mental institution by the end of the summer My 12 yr old and 6 yr old brought the Wii downstairs so I could watch them play this morning. Cool right? Wrong. They spent about 20 minutes arguing over every single thing so I finally disconnected the darn thing and put it in my bedroom. However, they would fight over a blank wall if given the chance.
post #8 of 11
My kids are 2.5 and 5.5 and I am amazed how well they play together. They rarely clash in any serious way, and usually when there is a conflict, it's pretty easily resolved. At least for the moment. My 5.5 yr old is a great kid, but really really likes to control things. My 2.5 yr old is very easy going, mostly, so he usually agrees to whatever the 5.5 yr old persuasively suggests. I am not sure how long this will last, but for now it's working for them.
post #9 of 11
very often

My children are far apart in age and are boy/girl but they still argue. I sometimes let them work it out on their own and other times I have to separate them or just get on to them. Usually my oldest is the one I have to get on to because he gets down to his little sister's level too often and he needs to be the bigger person. They have more time that they get along.
post #10 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazajo View Post
I think, my kids' conflict seemed to peek around school age.
That's when it got worse with mine. Once my youngest was old enough to understand more things and realized she wasn't always getting her way, around age 4/5 they started arguing more often. It was easy when my youngest was younger because she simply did everything her older brother was doing.
post #11 of 11
We are having big conflict issues at our house. Now granted, we have a slightly different situation because we are in a two-home family so there is some added stress for the kids switching homes, issues between DH and the kids' mom, their mom is about to have another baby, etc. However there are some things that I have noticed can make a HUGE difference with my DSC. Oh and we are in family therapy to deal with the physical and verbal sparing that happens constantly in our home so some of this has come from the therapist.

-PLENTY of rest. I noticed you say two key things: your DS2 doesn't nap any longer and it's quiet after 9 PM in your house. What time do your boys go to sleep? I would gently suggest that you start pushing bedtimes back. I know I have a short fuse when I am tired and in some kids, it's amplified. My DSC have gotten to the point where they can acknowledge that if they are tired, then there is a bigger chance that they will react violently to each other.

-change diet. Try to pay attention to what they are eating and see if there are any triggers. For DSD 11, sugar and sweets tend to put her on edge and she starts lashing out. Make sure they eat enough protein and aren't having blood sugar issues.

-one on one time. This one is from our therapist. He suggested trying to make it so each child has some one on one time with either me or DH and we have been doing that for a few weeks and it has really helped! It doesn't have to be a long time but our therapist noted that if there is conflict between the kids, then DH and I will step in to help resolve it or make sure no one gets hurt. So if the kids feel like they need more attention from us, all they need to do is get some conflict going and we swoop in. So his suggestion is give them that time without it being associated with conflict and that may help things out.

-take care of you. I noticed this last week w/my DSC. If I was cranky or on edge because I was tired, stressed, hungry, etc. then I responded in a sharp manner which seemed to get the fights stirred up between them. All of a sudden they were arguing over who would get to do a chore . I took a couple of minutes and regrouped, changed my tone of voice and in a little while, they had come back down.

Hope this helps mama. There have been many activities that we have had to leave in the middle of because the physical violence could not be tolerated. I know how bad it can get.
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