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post #1 of 9
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We have an almost 6 mo old boston terrier. Big problem with us is we have NO puppy kindergarten where I live (earliest the local trainers accept is 6mo and yes she is enrolled to start in August) or a dog park, and we know no one with a dog save my sis in law's 6 yr old lab. So, the only contact she has with other dogs is on walks, so I am worried especially when winter comes and she is not outside as much.

She is great with all the basic obedience commands now, doesn't display alpha behaviors with us or the kids. I am concerned about her encounters with other dogs and with what I feel are pretty limited opportunities to socialize her. We also don't have opportunities for alot of people over either.

When she meets a dog her size, there is pretty much never any sniffing butts, circling, tentativeness, approaching with the ears back, etc. Only once have I ever seen her do this, after she was totally OWNED by a pitbull/bull mastiff mix and immediately rolled onto her back on initial meeting, for which I was very glad. She needs to be knocked down a peg or two LOL! Basically, she is waaay toooo eager....jumps up on the other dog's back, and just keeps at them, even when the other dog is barking and backing off...it's like she is not getting the message. I have never seen her snarl or growl another dog, just lots of leaping, licking, etc etc. The other owner usually is uncomfortable and scared thier dog will hurt mine. On a rare occasion I can snap her out of that mindset (to use a Cesar Milan term) by a quick tug on her leash/harness or a sharp sound by me, just before she starts leaping at the dog across the street. She will on occasion go into a sit for me before getting too frisky with the other dog that is up close, but it's a very tense high strung sit.

With people like kids at the playground, I basically don't let them pet her, until she stops leaping, jumping, etc. Then one or two can approach her slowly, but if she starts freaking/jumping again I have them back off. I think (very) slowly she is learning to calm a bit in that situation. At home we always try to enforce with us she cannot just come to leap into our lap, we stop her, put her into a sit, and then she can come up when we want to. This is not translating into other people though.

Any advice? I don't want a full grown 20+ lb boston who knocks a kid over!!! Thanks!
post #2 of 9
I'm curious about responses. My Mom has a dog who does similar things with other dogs. She is constantly getting herself bitten by the other dogs & my Mom is at a loss as to how to teach her "dog manners". She keeps trying to socialize her & she has done it since puppyhood. Perhaps some dogs just don't get it?
post #3 of 9
I would just work on teaching her to sit or down for greetings.

For humans there are a several methods. One involves other people. Have a friend, or someone the pup would usually jump on work with you. Give them a bunch of treats. When they walk up to the pup, in the door, whatever have them tell your pup to sit and treat her when she does. If she jumps etc, no treat and the person walks away.

By yourself, tether the dog to a doorknob or somewhere similar. Approach the dog and treat when she greets you properly (4 feet on the floor or a sit if you prefer.

You would basically do the same thing for other dogs but I am not sure how the logistics would work if you dont have other dogs to work with? I would also work a lot of getting her attention. Start by randomly saying her name and then the second she looks at you, treat her. Start building up distractions etc. This works very well for my pup when she gets all excited. I call her name and she immediately looks at me as far as what to do next.
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My BIL was over last night with his 7 yr old very mellow lab. My dog went, well, psycho. Jumping jumping jumping, licking and bum wagging, jumping at her face and head and shoulders...like she does with other dogs. Eyes bugging out of her head and coughing from pulling on her leash/collar...it's like she was in this "red zone". (not agressive, wanting to PLAY I think). I have seen her persist at this with other dogs even when they are snarling at her. BIL's dog just kept turning away. Dh kept physically forcing our dog into a sit, so I think that aggravated her even more. We finally after a few min of her obviously not calming tied her to a 20ft cable, and she spent another 5 min leaping at this dog, who was 10 ft away. When she met this dog the first time, she was very submissive and crawled towards her with ears down (it was the first time she met a dog larger than her)

She finally calmed, but everytime the other dog so much as looked at her, she got all excited. Sigh

Looking for advice again here...I am just worried about this as we have almost no opportunity to meet other dogs say for chance meetings on the street with others on walks. Is my dog ever going to have manners? By the way she does not display alpha/dominant behaviours with us or the kids.
post #5 of 9
You could be describing my Tara.

Sometimes it takes a while. Have you tried teaching her to sit down for greetings (and removing her from the situation if she doesn't)? That's how I trained my dog. I often joke that "everybody's her long lost best friend", because that's how it was for over a year (and I was consistant!), but one day, it just clicked- sit down, and you can be friends. It's still hard for her sometimes (she's still very much a puppy), but it's coming along.
post #6 of 9
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A bit of an update here....

This is NOT going well . I think my dog is just psycho around other dogs and I don't know what to DO anymore. NO dog parks around here. Only know one other person (sis in law) with dog. Mine's only contact with other dogs is random ones on walks as I said before. Winter is coming and I know her contact will be even less.

We are in an obedience class with 5 other dogs, and have attended 4 classes so far. The other dogs have calmed down mostly, but she has not. I have even seen her go beserk at the Newfoundland who towers over her, despite him basically sitting on her and rolling her onto her back...she's just right up and at him with the jumping and licking and being obnoxious and wanting to play. She would not back down even if another dog was snarling...I have seen that happen. Her eyes are red and glazed and bugged out of her head and she is in this "zone" she won't listen to me. The instructor watched her last night and said she looked possessed, like an obsession to get at the other dogs. As soon as she sees the building she starts right up. It took me 15 min to get her to the door. (I would stop when she was lunging and pulling). In class she is partly behind a door with me so she can't see the others so much. After about a half hour she calms somewhat and will follow some commands we practice. I was so frustrated last night I gave her to the instructor and left the room and took some deep breaths to calm down...the first I have had to do that.

I have seen her follow those SAME commands in the yard, house, playground with other kids, etc NO problem. Before class last night, we walked for 45 min before class, she was not lunging at bikes or kids at all and let them pass, went on a totally different route, and literally walked right into the car to go to class, with her falling asleep on the way there. Well, that didn't wear her out at all. . After class, we took the calmest dog in the class, and mine, and let them both off the leash with no one else there. (instructor said some dogs are better when they are not restricted by leash and she thought she might not be so obsessive about getting at the others, so we thought we would try this). They chased each other for half and hour. You could see she would leave him, go get a drink etc, do the play body language, etc. Both of them did various dominant/submissive moves like exposing the belly. it took her another half hour at home to calm (her breathing, etc) She has a playdate with the instructor's dog (mine's father, incidentally, this instructor owns the mother too and both are calm) privately on Fri to see how it goes.

The only suggestion I have been given by everyone is to get her around other dogs but that is a huge problem for me due to various circumstances. The only approach I can see is to try to get her into a sit, but like I said, she gets into a zone if I can't get her to sit soon enough. It's how to handle her in this situation I am not sure of. She would be in such a state she would be beyond even focusing on me, which I can get her to do by voice command in other circumstances.

By the way, we were at the playground a few times last week, and she does start to jump at kids that approach her, and I gave them all some hot dog, telling them to turn away, I got her into a sit, and they slowly approached, and if she started they backed away again. She does get to the point she will sit nicely for the treat for them, so maybe there is hope...

just wondering if anyone else could help.
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by canuckgal View Post
After class, we took the calmest dog in the class, and mine, and let them both off the leash with no one else there. (instructor said some dogs are better when they are not restricted by leash and she thought she might not be so obsessive about getting at the others, so we thought we would try this). They chased each other for half and hour. You could see she would leave him, go get a drink etc, do the play body language, etc. Both of them did various dominant/submissive moves like exposing the belly. it took her another half hour at home to calm (her breathing, etc) She has a playdate with the instructor's dog (mine's father, incidentally, this instructor owns the mother too and both are calm) privately on Fri to see how it goes.
I think this is great socialization for her and I'm glad she did well. Honestly it sounds like she needs a lot more dog socialization. My dog was similar when we first got her - when she saw another dog she was so focused, could not think or hear me until she reached them. We spent so much time around other dogs that they pretty much became boring.

Since you have access to people with trained dogs like those taking classes and your instructors, I would keep setting up meet-ups. Off leash time is great, as is going for side-by-side walks. It doesn't have to be a long meeting each time. Maybe see if there is a park/walking trail where some of the owners take their dogs and go for excursions there. What does your trainer say about all this?
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by canuckgal View Post
The only suggestion I have been given by everyone is to get her around other dogs but that is a huge problem for me due to various circumstances. The only approach I can see is to try to get her into a sit, but like I said, she gets into a zone if I can't get her to sit soon enough. It's how to handle her in this situation I am not sure of. She would be in such a state she would be beyond even focusing on me, which I can get her to do by voice command in other circumstances.
Figure out at what distance the dogs have to be for her to "lose it". Is it 100' away? If so, work on doing some training work (sits are fine) 120' away. Then the next time do it 110' away. Very gradually decrease the distance.

BTW have you looked into clicker training? I highly recommend it, very positive, fun, effective way to train your dog.
post #9 of 9
having leashes involved makes socializing more challenging-some dogs feel aggressive or threatened on them-the ideal situation is on neutral turf (where one isn't defending its territory) and one on one (dog parks aren't always the best-filled with owners who don't know how to handle their dogs!) If you are able to provide that type of scenario and the two dogs aren't vicious, you can pretty much leave them to it to figure it out on their own. If the other dog is balanced in temperament, they will give your dog a warning that will teach her appropriate behavior and you can reinforce it. If that's not happening, step in and tell your dog how to behave with the basic obedience commands. I know it sounds easier than it actually is, but the key is to do a little every day if you can. If you aren't able to do something like that regularly and the socializing takes place on the leash, work on the basic obedience and keep her on sits and downs.

We just brought a Bouvier puppy in to our house with our 11 year old Jack Russell terrier. The puppy was being a puppy-wanting to play of course, and the Jack showed signs of aggression toward her that scared me. So we brought in a behavioralist. She assured me our Jack wasn't going to rip the puppy apart and the best thing was just to let them sort it out on their own (off the leash.) She was right! She recommended keeping a broom or long pole handy if I needed to push one dog (the Jack, if the puppy is being "attacked" she would run and hide) off the other (so your hands don't get bitten) just in case. Never needed it! Now our puppy gives the Jack a wide berth and the Jack isn't aggressive toward the puppy at all.
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