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post #1 of 21
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My dd is 5.5 (her b-day is in early December) and she did not attend preschool out of our home (my sister is a teacher and did preschool homeschool with her and my niece) and has never really been in the care of a non-family member.

She is VERY attached and has been since the day she was born; she's my shadow, my velcro kid. She is EXTREMELY sensitive, and I mean sensitive; look at her wrong and she is likely to burst into tears. She's timid around other adults but does totally fine around kids and has no problems making friends at parks or the pool or wherever.

With kindy approaching I'm so so worried she is not going to be able to hack it emotionally. All I can picture is her fighting back tears and calling for me all day long.

Has anyone had experience sending their velcro kid off into the world and had it go well?
post #2 of 21
Hm... mine wasn't that attached and had always been in at least PT care before K so for us it wasn't an issue. However, I'm wondering if you could use the next month to work toward K? Maybe find an independent class (music, art, gymnastics, ballet...) where she would be "on her own" but you would either be watching or within earshot in case it took a while for her to warm up? Is there something that she has wanted to do that might intrique her enough to try? I know that our YMCA has a preschool summer camp that is very PT. My thought would be to give her an opportunity to experience the independence part before you got to the higher-stakes school situation.
post #3 of 21
Another thing to think about would be visits to the school if you know the teacher will be there. Maybe your LO could help prepare something in the classroom, or help with a bulletin board, or just "assist" in some way that helps her feel some "ownership" of her classroom and identification with her teacher. Perhaps a new friend could join in as well?

Even playing on the playground can help ease the transition a bit. BTW, I've done this for my kids at both small and big ages!
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by Evan&Anna's_Mom View Post
Hm... mine wasn't that attached and had always been in at least PT care before K so for us it wasn't an issue. However, I'm wondering if you could use the next month to work toward K? Maybe find an independent class (music, art, gymnastics, ballet...) where she would be "on her own" but you would either be watching or within earshot in case it took a while for her to warm up? Is there something that she has wanted to do that might intrique her enough to try? I know that our YMCA has a preschool summer camp that is very PT. My thought would be to give her an opportunity to experience the independence part before you got to the higher-stakes school situation.

That actually makes me feel a little better because she has taken ballet, gymnastics, and played soccer...all relatively independently although there were some mommy-meltdowns. At least now I can think I've prepped her a little bit.

And awesome suggestion to go to the playground... I hadn't thought about taking her around the grounds but that is a great idea.

Thank you all for answering!

Amy
post #5 of 21
also, i would meet/talk with the teacher about this before school starts as well.

and if she realy cannot handle it, then i wouldn't be afraid to draw her out and wait until she demonstrates to you that she can emotionally handle it. i don't know what that might look like, but if we believe that children develop at their own rates, then that would still be true at 5 and 6 too.
post #6 of 21
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Yeah, I wasn't sure if I should mention to the teacher that I think she may have a little anxiety issue... I don't want to bias the teacher, KWIM? But at the same time I don't want Stella to be the kid the teacher doesn't like because she cries all the time. And if she cries all the time I will die.

I keep reminding myself that I can pull her out if I have to but I would rather it not come to that.

I think I'm going to try to catch parents at the open house and maybe orchestrate a little class party before the first day.
post #7 of 21
Most people find that it is a big help if your child is close to one or two other children, because then she will be looking forward to the play and interaction with her friends as well. If you know others in the class, there is still time to get her together with one or two kids at a time for the next few weeks to develop those friendships. This may be more successful than a party, as she'll get to know them in a smaller play time. Around here, many of the kids go to preschool together, so they all transition to k-garten together and this helps a lot.
post #8 of 21
You might always want to be double-sure of the unconscious message you might be sending her. After all, attachment is a two-way street and you are facing a major transition as well as she. Not to say this is you, but I've seen parents before who "fluttered" around their children during this type of transition. Sort of "Are you sure you are OK?" "I know you will miss me but it will be OK." "You be sure to tell teacher if you are lonely." And on and on... Which, of course, communicates to the child that maybe she should be missing mommy, lonely, and not OK. Be ready and accepting if she is just fine and doesn't, in fact, experience any significant anxiety. It is a positive reflection on your attachment if she can move from it into the world securely, whether or not she needs your help to start the process.
post #9 of 21
Oh yes, my oldest (now entering 4th grade) had profound separation anxiety. I had to stay with her every morning until she went into class up through the second grade! And that meant walking her right to her door, holding her hand the whole way. Kindergarten was very tough for her-there were tears every morning the entire year (it was awful!) She wasn't like your dd-she refused to do any sort of activity at that age, and she wasn't comfortable with the kids in her class. But we got through it, and in third grade everything changed. She plays sports, takes music lessons, isn't anxious about school, etc.
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Evan&Anna's_Mom View Post
You might always want to be double-sure of the unconscious message you might be sending her. After all, attachment is a two-way street and you are facing a major transition as well as she. Not to say this is you, but I've seen parents before who "fluttered" around their children during this type of transition. Sort of "Are you sure you are OK?" "I know you will miss me but it will be OK." "You be sure to tell teacher if you are lonely." And on and on... Which, of course, communicates to the child that maybe she should be missing mommy, lonely, and not OK. Be ready and accepting if she is just fine and doesn't, in fact, experience any significant anxiety. It is a positive reflection on your attachment if she can move from it into the world securely, whether or not she needs your help to start the process.

Yes, thank you! Great post, great points... I'm sure she is picking up my nervous vibes.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Carolinamidwife View Post
Has anyone had experience sending their velcro kid off into the world and had it go well?
I have an only, so that might make a difference. However, my velcro dd, who is 7 now and STILL velcro (even throughout the night) did have a good experience going off to school. She really enjoys school and has found some very good friends that she rarely sees outside of school (which makes it special). Now, dd is not a super sensitive kid. She's very resilient, actually. She has never had a tantrum, doesn't cry very often (but does pout), and is reasonable about dealing with situations that are beyond her control. Still, she is "glue" to me. When she is home it is hundreds of hugs and I-Love-Yous and she still co-sleeps and clings to me at night. At school she is as happy as can be and would be devastated if she couldn't go, but she equally loves being with me. She would not give up school to be home with me. She's ready to go back to school with 2 weeks of summer break to go. Me... not so much.

I think it's all about attitude. We didn't make school to be something horrible, but a wonderful experience of growing up. Keep it on a positive note and hopefully you'll have as good an experience as we did.
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thank you, Velochic! Your post was exactly what I was hoping to see here.

Stella is sensitive but she is also fairly rational; I have been able to reason with her since she was only 2 or 3 so that gives me hope that she won't just panic and go off the deep end. We have kept school on a super positive note, talking about all of the friends she will make, etc. and she seems to feel positive about it. Ds likes school and does really well so she's only been around positive school vibes.

I think there is a 50% chance I'm the one panicking and going off the deep end, lol. My son was a completely different experience; he has always been super independent and professes to not really miss me when he's at school or any time he is having fun which is music to my ears. I always tell my kids that if they don't miss me while they're having fun then I'm having fun too.

So there is a Kindy celebration at our local museum where she can meet the teachers, other kids, and they have set up some school-type activities (like going through a lunch line, etc.) and she is very psyched about that.
post #13 of 21
We actualy chose not to send DD to kinder and the seperation issue was a part of that. She was in co-op preschool and we found out that even after 6 months it was still VERY stressful for her to be left (with people she knew well for 2 hours doing things she loved).

We homeschooled for kinder and 1st and she decided she wanted to go to "real school" for 2nd grade. It was a very hard transition for her, but she did it. She, at that point, had worked up to being able to stay in two one hour classes in a row through the homeschool group. So, she was comfortable with the idea of being away from us for 2-3 hours. DP ended up going to lunch with her every day for several weeks (because it was about 3 hours of school before lunch and 3 after, so we convinced her she could do that long). Within a month he didn't have to go daily, but it was a few months before she was truly comfortable. By 4th grade she wasn't concerned about the long day/being away and now, going into 6th it simply isn't on her radar anymore.

I'm really glad we let her come to it on her own time. I can't imagine how difficult it would have been to send her to kinder when we "should" have.
post #14 of 21
DD is like you describe..even though she ADORES her gramma and LOVES to spend every waking minute with her, she still wont go to grammas house by herself, i have to go with her,.she really can't be away from me for even a second. She still sleeps in a family bed at home, etc. She went to school last year and it went really well. Yes, she had gone to classes, like gymnastics, soccer, dance, etc, but always the kind where I was there with her..we signed up for one once, and found out the first day of class parents were NOt allowed to stay, and she FREAKED....I stayed out in the hallway, and she would run out of class many times to check on me, lol! This was the spring before she atarted school. but, she did fine. the teachers were really caring, and i think helped make the students feel at home. Also, even though I was EXTREMELY upset by the policy at first, i think it was actually really for the best...parents drop their kids off outside the school, teachers walk them inside....no classroom farewells, just a nice, clean break on the sidewalk. Also, no parents visiting classes for the first month of school, to give the kids time to get used to it and not expect mommy to show up all the time. After October, classroom observation coudl be scheduled anytime.

We did have one nasty scene where dd refused to get out of the car....I was perplexed, but not about to have the teacher drag her off screaming, so we drove away. turns out, she was runnign a fever, and had an abcessed tooth causing her a lot of pain. that wa sthe ONLY time she ever refused to go to school or had a hard time leaving me.
post #15 of 21
My DS1 is very attached to me. I often say that his "infancy" lasted 4 years. He's going into 3rd grade now. We visit the school playground during the summer, and on the day before school starts, I walk him around inside the school, show him his classroom, etc. It really helps to get a photo of him w/his new teacher before the new school year starts. Also on the day before school starts, we visit the local apple farm/cider mill for some special mommy time, and we buy a big bag of apples for his class. I make sure that he gets plenty of love from me right before he goes to school every morning, and I welcome him into my arms as soon as school lets out. You may want to read the book "The Kissing Hand" with your DD before school starts.
post #16 of 21
My dd was the same way and thought she would never make it through the first day of kindy. I had planned on homeschooling if she could not handle it. Our solution was to have dad drop her off in the mornings not me.. She seems to be more attched to me and wouldn't let me leave her anywhere, but with dad she walked into school no problem.

I didn't even get to take her to school the first day because Iknew it would be too hard for both of us. I was pretty attached too...LOL She had one meltdown in school about 3 weeks in, but overall it was wonderful for her.. She went from us thinking she had selective mutism because she would not speak in public to her reading in front of the whole class and all their parents on the last ay of Kindy. I was tearing up the whole time I was of proud of her progress. She also had a wonderful understanding teacher, that helps alot. I did warn her teacher, but she didn't "label her" or anything, she just helped her transition no problem.. It was great.
post #17 of 21
I think I'm an expert on sep anxiety at this point. I'm on my second kid. I've never met another kid who has had as much sep anxiety as my dd1. Dd2 (who will be going to K this fall, too) has it to some degree, but nowhere near as much as dd1. They're actually in a small private school primarily because is was so much the better fit for dd1. Last year in the 2nd grade was her first really good year as far as sep anxiety and she did still have issues, but not crying every morning any more. She had many more mornings where it was a quick easy drop off. I think it might be college before she's really ready to go for it on her own every time .

You are almost certain to hear that you should just leave her even if she's crying and she'll stop in a few minutes. This is actually true for many kids and might be true for yours, too. It comes closer to working for my dd2, but is a recipe for disaster for my dd1. I've seen it work great for a lot of kids because I'm the mom that always has to stay.

The Kissing Hand also works well for a lot of kids, but not my dd1. I haven't even tried it with my dd2.

A picture of the family that your child can keep with her helps a lot of kids, but again the very idea of it made my dd1 tear up. She didn't want to think about me while she was at school because she knew she would start missing me too much. This is a really great strategy for many kids, though, so think about whether it would work for your child or not.

Dad dropping off is another good strategy. We tried that one, too. It really wasn't better for us, but I know it works wonders for some kids.

Because we've been in a small private school/preschools we have had a lot of flexibility that may not be available in other settings. In the end the thing that I think worked the best for us with dd1 and Kindy was just the real real real long slooooooooooooooowwwwww goodbye. Like over the course of the year slow. Many people advocate yanking the bandaid off and it really does work well for a lot of kids and parents, but it just didn't for us. You know your child best! I stayed a long time in the beginning of the year. I got a lot of pressure from the teachers to just go ahead and go and I did try that some, but with my particular kid that wasn't a great idea. It worked better to ease myself (and dd2) away. We would go out on the playground and play while dd1 was in her morning meeting (45 minutes after arrival) and then come back to say good bye, etc.

With dd2 she needed a goodbye routine in preschool. Again there was a lot of pressure from the teachers to just let her cry it out for a few minutes and I did try that some, but it didn't feel right to me. It ended up what worked for us was for me to stay through their morning meeting (it started about 15 minutes after arrival and lasted about 20-30 minutes). Then when she picked an activity and showed it to me I could go to the door and she would have to run over and give me a last kiss and a hug. I didn't join in on the morning meeting (sitting in a circle on the rug), but hung behind and tried to fade into the background. I wanted her to find her own way and she did and thoroughly enjoyed it, but she didn't want me to leave and made it clear. It wasn't worth disrupting her day or the whole classroom to push it (she's a VERY LOUD crier).

Anyway, my advice would be to listen to your heart and to your child. You know your child best. The teachers know how the average child is, but my kids aren't average and I know them best. Use the teacher's advice as a guide rather than a rule. See what you think will work best for your kid.

Good luck!
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hmm... it's too bad we haven't met because our kids sound exactly alike, lol.

Your dd1 sounds exactly like Stella. Thank you soooo much for writing all of that out, I think it will be super helpful.

And this:

Quote:
My dd was the same way and thought she would never make it through the first day of kindy. I had planned on homeschooling if she could not handle it. Our solution was to have dad drop her off in the mornings not me.. She seems to be more attched to me and wouldn't let me leave her anywhere, but with dad she walked into school no problem.

I didn't even get to take her to school the first day because Iknew it would be too hard for both of us. I was pretty attached too...LOL
is exactly where we are at! Dh will be taking her; I know she will pick up my anxiety vibes.

She is very excited about going and we have been doing a lot of activities about kindy but I just wish I could see into the future, just a glimpse, because I have no feel at all for how this will really be.
post #19 of 21
I was just starting to read this - and think of my own Velcro kid who is 6, and actually 1st grade age....but will head off to kindergarten this year.

Something came to me...I pictured us visiting the teacher alone in her/his classroom and my child standing behind me the whole time and saying "I'm not going to school." : and me feeling helpless.

So here is what just popped into my head:

I am going to call the teacher for a visit before school starts (several maybe) and ask him/her to set up something for ds and I to DO to help get class set up.


What do you think?


ok, now I can read the rest of the thread....

eta: I have this velcro kid but I am not as nurturing as I could be due to just being burnt out by having 2 younger ones at home also now. I am a true introvert and being around people drains me after like an hour so you can imagine what 3 kids all day every day does. LOL. I dont just throw him to the sharks but I am truly not as understanding as I could be and I really want to work on that. THANKFULLY I will have someone to watch the younger 2 while I take him to school but the key in my case will be not to panic once he is resisting to let me leave. I tend to do that and I think he picks up on it. Like a dog. LMAO.
post #20 of 21
I have a sweet story from a 1st grade teacher's perspective about this-

One of my students, a girl, had mega-anxiety issues about leaving her mother. Her parents were going through a messy divorce, you see. So the best way to get her in, was for her to be dropped off by someone else like her grandfather. But when mom dropped her off, the tears would start. And not stop!

While she was hollering in the office and I was trying to coax her down to the class room, one of the sixth grade students came late and had to come to the office to sign in. He saw her crying and offered to take her hand and walk her down. Of course she was very flattered, and went.

Perhaps an older child, particularly a neighbor or someone you know, can greet your child each morning and take her to the class him/herself, so it's a novel, but reassuring experience. School won't seem so scary if an older child handles it with ease, and is supportive. Kids often trust other kids more than they do adults. It would be a great way for older kids to learn kindness, and younger kids to learn independence.
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