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post #61 of 67
Someone's probably already said this but it looks like a grab and pull mark where the skin got twisted. Yes, I'm sure that did hurt.

Could you go to a day care where people are trained to work with autistic children?

What that teacher did is wrong and I hope that she receives proper consequences for it. However, I don't think it's fair to expect anyone who's not trained or doesn't have an autistic child themselves to properly handle that kind of situation.
post #62 of 67
To clarify, I'm not saying that because of your son's autism therefore it was okay for them to grab him away from another child, or that only kids who have autism do that--because that's not true...it's pretty much inevitable as a toddler or young preschool teacher you will have to physically intervene to keep from someone getting their fingers slammed in a door, hair-pulling, biting, ect.

I'm just saying that since you express concern that the teachers "don't get him" after 2 years, then that's a pretty big indicator (especially if there's been no training) that they are overwhelmed or don't know the proper stategies for dealing with all things considered quite mild behavior. At every day care center I have worked at or observed, nap time is pretty much the only more than 10-15 min break that any of the caregivers get and when they eat their lunch, so they can be protective of that time almost to an unprofessional level. I am really good at putting the professional hat on, but I too have *felt* annoyed at a child who could not be quiet and who was moving around and potentially disturbing the other kids or encouraging them to do the same.

I think someone less equipped to deal with a child who isn't interested or capable of fitting into the nice usual mode might continue to feel annoyed with the kid that's doing it. Unprofessional? Yes. Unreasonable? Yes, logically, but I can understand the emotions. Do I understand YOUR frustrations as a parent that the caregivers don't get it? I can empathize, having never been in that situation myself. But none of that really helps your son or his teacher grow the way they need to. Which is why I think training might help...though I also understand the reality is that might not be a financial possibility for your center.
post #63 of 67
My son has sensory issues and will often say things like "Dad hurt me!" when his dad has been the slightest bit rough. Example, DS is about to stumble over something, DH grabs his arm and pulls him back to keep him from falling. If DS's sensory issues have been simmering, he'll flip out that his dad "hurt him" and blame his dad - not at all acknowledging that while it might have hurt when his dad grabbed his arm, it wasn't intended to hurt him.

This makes finding out what happened when I didn't see it so hard, because I don't know what's "fact" versus DS's hyper physical sensitivity versus DS's hyper emotional sensitivity or stuck thinking.

I don't know what it looks like, but would guess some kind of pinch. Either way, his care provider needs to provide a reasonable explanation.

(((hugs))) It's so hard when our little ones are hurting and we don't really have a sense of what transpired.

ETA: DS does this any time he's been hurt, not just with his dad, nor is his dad regularly hurting him! Realized my post might be misinterpreted.
post #64 of 67
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Originally Posted by Tigerchild View Post
I'm just saying that since you express concern that the teachers "don't get him" after 2 years, then that's a pretty big indicator (especially if there's been no training) that they are overwhelmed or don't know the proper stategies for dealing with all things considered quite mild behavior.
: Also, given the teacher's response to your questions, I'd be a bit worried that they're ascribing normal behaviors to his autism. And feel like they need to "fix" him.
post #65 of 67
based on the info you had i would think his arm must have gotten piched in the door of the playhouse somehow. or maybe one of the other kids, maybe the one who's fingers got pinched hurt him back before the teacher could intervene.

i wouldn't assume the teacher had done anything wrong, just maybe wasn't right there and didn't see the situation devolping in time to prevent it. though i would be upset that she didn't seem to wantto discuss it at all.

the mark looks like hinges to me though.
post #66 of 67
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They got upset with him on Monday because the other kids were trying to take a nap and he was standing in the middle of the room spinning
I know you need to work, but this doesn't sound like a good environment for a child with autism.
post #67 of 67
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Judging by where it is on your son's arm, I would say that he was grabbed and maybe quickly pulled away from something or someone. My only hope would be that maybe he was pulled away from hurting someone else or himself.
Trust me- I can understand this. If ds had been about to hurt himself or someone else and a teacher needed to quickly intervene and grabbed him to get him out of the way.... fine. It's NOT okay to leave a mark like that, but at least it explains it. I would fully expect, in that situation, to be told about it. Even a quick "Hey- your ds was about to (insert whatever) so I had to grab him away. I grabbed harder than I thought so it might have left a mark". Still- not acceptable. But at least it would explain it. I got no such explanation.

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This facility may not be the best place for your son, if the caregivers can't deal with his autism. I know that it's pretty much the only place for him right now it sounds like so that you can work there, and it's a convenience placement all around...but please realize that I think asking folks who are not trained in how to deal with special needs kids especially in the early childhood all day daycare setting to "get" your son is really asking too much in many pragmatic ways.
I talked to my boss before I was hired about ds's special needs. I made it very clear that if they didn't think they could handle it, don't hire me. I've had talks with my boss many times over the last couple years asking if ds was getting to be too much or if they didn't think they could handle him. She ALWAYS assures me that he's fine, the teachers can deal with him, no problem. The 2 teachers who were in his room yesterday have been at this daycare for about 8-10 years. They've had special needs kids in there before. They've had training on special needs, autism in particular. I'm not just throwing him in a room with a high school senior out to make a couple bucks.

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Do you guys have a requirement in your state for continuing ed for licensing?
Yes. We all take a certain number of classes every year (last year was 5, this year it's 7). We usually all take the classes together. Last year was a class on autism specifically. This year I know the majority of the workers took a class on sensory issues. While they are in NO WAY experts on autism or sensory issues, they do have *some* training. They also know they can come ask me at any time if they need help or if they just want to know how to handle something. His one teacher (the main teacher) is really good about asking me how to do something or why ds is doing something.

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Could you go to a day care where people are trained to work with autistic children?
If I could find a daycare like that, I'd be in heaven Unfortunately, no. There is one daycare/preschool that is attached to a rehab hospital here. DS has gone there for therapy for almost 2 years. I applied for a job there (at the daycare/preschool), and would have had it, but was told my ds couldn't come. Why? Not because they didn't want a mother/child pair there but because of his autism. Yup, they came right out and said they didn't think they could handle him. WTF?!? This was at a place that catered to therapy for special needs children and my son with autism wasn't welcome. I told them to kiss my a$$ when they suggested I put ds in another daycare to go work for them

As for an update.... when I went in this morning I talked to the regular teacher in his room. She said she has no idea how he got that mark. So I talked to the assistant director and she too had no idea. She said it wasn't on him, that she knew of, when she left at 3:00. The other teacher who was in there yesterday wasn't there today and won't be back until next week (she only works at the daycare 2 days a week). The assistant director said she would call and leave a message on that teachers voice mail but she was working all day at another job. The director/owner is gone until Tuesday on a trip but her husband was there today so I talked to him about it. He agreed that it is not acceptable at all to leave a mark on a child. It is completely unacceptable to do that and then not even tell the parent about it or how it happened. He was shocked to see the mark and doesn't know how it got there or why. He said they will definitely talk to the other teacher by tomorrow. If I'm not satisfied with the answer that teacher has, the owner will review the tapes with me to see if we can figure out what happened.

There are cameras everywhere in the daycare- each room, the playground, by the front door, etc. There are a few places where there is not a camera, but not many.

As I said previously- I am trying to change my schedule so that I only work when ds is at school (which starts the week after next). Then ds won't have to go to the daycare. I fully realize this is not the best environment for ds. I realize he's getting overstimulated, especially with these long days. He's frustrated. His teachers are frustrated. It's not a good situation. I'm trying my best to fix it, but I need money to pay the bills too.
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