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post #41 of 100
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Originally Posted by greenmama View Post
I "allowed" my flat 9yo dd to get a training bra because she had a loose jumper she wore that exposed her nipples often and I though she should put something on and she picked the bra over a tank top because some of her equally flat friends own "bras". I started wearing a "bra" before I was developed enough to warrant one because you would get teased in the gym locker room in Jr. High if you didn't wear them yet, but that was at 12 not 9.
My oldest daughter who's 9 now still is flat chested.Instead of having my daughter wear a training bra, I have her wear clothes that don't expose her nipples when going outside.Whereas she wears loose clothes including jumpers around the house and outside in our 10 acre fenced yard.
post #42 of 100
Target has two packs of the thin kind for five bucks. I was so worried about the whole ordeal but my daughter was pretty nonplussed and picked one with frogs. The frogs reassured me too. We talked about how she didn't have to wear it but when she wants to she can. I was much too shy to ask for one when I started needing one so this puts it in her hands and I am relieved. I am also relieved that even though girls are wearing them so much younger, they have ones that aren't too grown up. There were all kinds of rainbows and little animals on them! I wish I could find cheap comfortable bras with cute animals in my size!
post #43 of 100
What do you mean girls are wearing them so much younger? My kids are OLDER than I was!
post #44 of 100
It would have been really unusual for a girl to wear a bra in fifth grade where I grew up. At my daughter's school and activities I have seen quite a few straps hanging out on third graders.
post #45 of 100
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It would have been really unusual for a girl to wear a bra in fifth grade where I grew up. At my daughter's school and activities I have seen quite a few straps hanging out on third graders.
Not where I grew up. Sure not all of them did.. but many. I was in the fourth grade not fifth when I started needing them.

My mom never took me to buy my first bra. I had hand me downs from my cousin as always.
post #46 of 100
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I am also relieved that even though girls are wearing them so much younger, they have ones that aren't too grown up. There were all kinds of rainbows and little animals on them! I wish I could find cheap comfortable bras with cute animals in my size!
It's funny, but I had the exact opposite response to the rainbows and kiddie patterns when I was underwear shopping for dd (nearly 11) the other day. While she's not yet at the point of needing a bra, I imagine she will be in the next year or so. She would be totally mortified to wear a bra or underwear to middle school with cartoons on them especially since they have to change out for PE in a locker room. I had a horrible time trying to find her plain undies that didn't make her look like a 6 y/o.
post #47 of 100
I haven't read the whole thread, but wanted to throw out there why I started wearing one. I got made fun of in gym class when we were changing because I didn't have one on. That did it for me.
post #48 of 100
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Originally Posted by ChristaN View Post
It's funny, but I had the exact opposite response to the rainbows and kiddie patterns when I was underwear shopping for dd (nearly 11) the other day. While she's not yet at the point of needing a bra, I imagine she will be in the next year or so. She would be totally mortified to wear a bra or underwear to middle school with cartoons on them especially since they have to change out for PE in a locker room. I had a horrible time trying to find her plain undies that didn't make her look like a 6 y/o.
Totally agree, my DDs would curl up and die at the thought of that.

I don't understand the idea of trying to infantalize a girl who is growing up. There is nothing threatening or unwholesome about puberty, it is natural for our daughters to grow up, grow breasts and wear bras. Well, I don't know if bras are all that natural but the need for bras is natural.
post #49 of 100
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DD is willing to be different... but not that different. When we had to buy her first bra she specifically said "Nothing cutesy, no little pictures of fuzzy animals. Just a bra. Ok?"
post #50 of 100
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
Totally agree, my DDs would curl up and die at the thought of that.

I don't understand the idea of trying to infantalize a girl who is growing up. There is nothing threatening or unwholesome about puberty, it is natural for our daughters to grow up, grow breasts and wear bras. Well, I don't know if bras are all that natural but the need for bras is natural.
But are all bras sexy and is the opposite of sexy childish? I say go with what the wearer wants. I don't like cutesy for me but dd would like nothing better than a light blue half cami style bra with a green peace sign on it. I do like the idea of letting our girls be girls and not worry about sexy until they are ready. There is a range of needs and that is why 28AAAA comes in cutesy or in padded, lacy, pushup styles.
post #51 of 100
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Originally Posted by mommajb View Post
There is a range of needs and that is why 28AAAA comes in cutesy or in padded, lacy, pushup styles.
Dd would also balk significantly at the idea of lace, padded, or push-up bras. I imagine that she'll be wanting the same thing she wants in her underwear: solid neutral colors with nothing on it. She's a navy and white, classic styles type of kid. I like the idea of push-up bras a lot less than frogs on bras for young girls.
post #52 of 100
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
Totally agree, my DDs would curl up and die at the thought of that.

I don't understand the idea of trying to infantalize a girl who is growing up. There is nothing threatening or unwholesome about puberty, it is natural for our daughters to grow up, grow breasts and wear bras. Well, I don't know if bras are all that natural but the need for bras is natural.
Many girls start wearing bras way before they are ready to be grown up. Also, I have never stopped liking cartoon animals and certainly don't think that infantilizes me. What seems unhealthy to me is rushing children into adolescence and increasingly adult roles way before they are ready. I mean, an elementary school girl may start to change physically but that does not mean that she is no longer a child. I hope to god my daughter continues to enjoy her childhood for a few more years and yes, cartoon animals are pretty much par for the course. Hello Kitty anyone?
post #53 of 100
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Originally Posted by layne View Post
Many girls start wearing bras way before they are ready to be grown up. Also, I have never stopped liking cartoon animals and certainly don't think that infantilizes me. What seems unhealthy to me is rushing children into adolescence and increasingly adult roles way before they are ready. I mean, an elementary school girl may start to change physically but that does not mean that she is no longer a child. I hope to god my daughter continues to enjoy her childhood for a few more years and yes, cartoon animals are pretty much par for the course. Hello Kitty anyone?
Uhh.. I never liked hello Kitty and sure wouldn't want it on my underwear at any age.

I don't see how buying a 10 or 11 year old a bra that is blue, or white, or pink rather than covered in puppy dogs or kitty's is rushing them into adolescence before they are ready.
post #54 of 100
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It would have been really unusual for a girl to wear a bra in fifth grade where I grew up. At my daughter's school and activities I have seen quite a few straps hanging out on third graders.
This just comes to show that girls are starting to develop earlier and earlier each passing year.Two culprits would be A. today's food supplies including milk, dairy, and animal products have more growth hormones injected than compared to previous decades.B its this media trying to sexualize young girl make them grow up sooner.

Also in this society in both sides one getting either offened or aroused seeing breast buds/nip slips, also having to wear a bra to cover a 8-9yr old's chest under it even wearing a shirt under it in other words sexualizing younger girls.In Europe it's a different story, I remember when my family went to Europe for summer vacation back when my sister was 16 and I was 14 we wear a T-shirt/tank top without a bra under it, and I realized that it was different meaning that both my sister and I didn't get any stares, everyone was minding there own business.When I went to France in my college years a friend that I made over there we talked about this aspect girls/wearing bra, what age they start to wear and what place and situations most go braless.

My sister who has an 11/2 yr old daughter has been in this eating organic foods lifestyle for 13yrs.So therefore she has raised her 2 kids including her 11y.o daughter eating organic foods consuming little dairy products, including filtered reverse osmosis water, etc..As a result they are healthier than there peers .Anyways my 11/2y.o niece is still nearly flat chested that my sister has only bought her a few plain white bra just for formal occasions, also when going to school.She only wears it when going to school and wears clothes when going outside that don't accidently expose her nipples when kneeling/bending down.
post #55 of 100
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Originally Posted by layne View Post
It would have been really unusual for a girl to wear a bra in fifth grade where I grew up. At my daughter's school and activities I have seen quite a few straps hanging out on third graders.
I was wearing a bra in the 4th grade and I really needed it. My daughter is much smaller than I was at her age.
post #56 of 100
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Originally Posted by Ericka1999 View Post
This just comes to show that girls are starting to develop earlier and earlier each passing year.Two culprits would be A. today's food supplies including milk, dairy, and animal products have more growth hormones injected than compared to previous decades.B its this media trying to sexualize young girl make them grow up sooner.

Also in this society in both sides one getting either offened or aroused seeing breast buds/nip slips, also having to wear a bra to cover a 8-9yr old's chest under it even wearing a shirt under it in other words sexualizing younger girls.In Europe it's a different story, I remember when my family went to Europe for summer vacation back when my sister was 16 and I was 14 we wear a T-shirt/tank top without a bra under it, and I realized that it was different meaning that both my sister and I didn't get any stares, everyone was minding there own business.When I went to France in my college years a friend that I made over there we talked about this aspect girls/wearing bra, what age they start to wear and what place and situations most go braless.

My sister who has an 11/2 yr old daughter has been in this eating organic foods lifestyle for 13yrs.So therefore she has raised her 2 kids including her 11y.o daughter eating organic foods consuming little dairy products, including filtered reverse osmosis water, etc..As a result they are healthier than there peers .Anyways my 11/2y.o niece is still nearly flat chested that my sister has only bought her a few plain white bra just for formal occasions, also when going to school.She only wears it when going to school and wears clothes when going outside that don't accidently expose her nipples when kneeling/bending down.
I ate loads of dairy on a daily basis and I was flat chested till I was 15. My younger sister ate the same diet and needed a bra by 11-12.

I don't feel the need to "blame" puberty on anything, since it is natural and comes to each of us at the time that is right for our own body.
post #57 of 100
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Originally Posted by Ericka1999 View Post
This just comes to show that girls are starting to develop earlier and earlier each passing year.Two culprits would be A. today's food supplies including milk, dairy, and animal products have more growth hormones injected than compared to previous decades.B its this media trying to sexualize young girl make them grow up sooner.

Also in this society in both sides one getting either offened or aroused seeing breast buds/nip slips, also having to wear a bra to cover a 8-9yr old's chest under it even wearing a shirt under it in other words sexualizing younger girls.In Europe it's a different story, I remember when my family went to Europe for summer vacation back when my sister was 16 and I was 14 we wear a T-shirt/tank top without a bra under it, and I realized that it was different meaning that both my sister and I didn't get any stares, everyone was minding there own business.When I went to France in my college years a friend that I made over there we talked about this aspect girls/wearing bra, what age they start to wear and what place and situations most go braless.

My sister who has an 11/2 yr old daughter has been in this eating organic foods lifestyle for 13yrs.So therefore she has raised her 2 kids including her 11y.o daughter eating organic foods consuming little dairy products, including filtered reverse osmosis water, etc..As a result they are healthier than there peers .Anyways my 11/2y.o niece is still nearly flat chested that my sister has only bought her a few plain white bra just for formal occasions, also when going to school.She only wears it when going to school and wears clothes when going outside that don't accidently expose her nipples when kneeling/bending down.
I really don't think your nieces diet has anything to do with it. My 10 year old wears a B and while she did drink lots of dairy as a baby, she hasn't since she was about 2. By 3 we made sure to buy milk that did not have rBgh and by 5 we were only buying organic diary and she has been drinking only raw milk the last 2 years. Some girls just developed sooner than other.

And honestly if ANYTHING is to blame for it "seeming" that girls are wearing bras sooner than before it would be the fact that MANY of them are overweight. I have read many times that puberty hits about when a girl is 100 lbs. I don't think it is "hormones" in milk but more the all over weight of the child that effects these things. That and genes. Some people are just large chested and develop earlier than others.
post #58 of 100
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
I ate loads of dairy on a daily basis and I was flat chested till I was 15. My younger sister ate the same diet and needed a bra by 11-12.

I don't feel the need to "blame" puberty on anything, since it is natural and comes to each of us at the time that is right for our own body.
Well lots of other factors cause to girls to develop sooner. i.e obesity in which most obese kids consume alot of injected bovine hormone milk.Also genetic weak areas is another factor.Race and climes is another factor.

For an example you have 2 people smoke one happens to have a genetic weak area of the heart and artaries.When those 2 people smoke 10-25yrs go by the person with the genetic weak area in the circulatory system would end up with heart disease, narrowing/blocked artery at the age of 40.Where this other person would have somewhat fair heal of a heart at the age of 75 even after decades of smoking..
post #59 of 100
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Uhh.. I never liked hello Kitty and sure wouldn't want it on my underwear at any age.

I don't see how buying a 10 or 11 year old a bra that is blue, or white, or pink rather than covered in puppy dogs or kitty's is rushing them into adolescence before they are ready.
Oh good grief. I never advocated forcing girls to wear underwear with cartoons on it at any age. I suppose that having allowed her to have one (which she picked out and likes) with cartoons on it is a sign that I have forcibly infantilized her.
FTR, neither I nor my children drink or have drunk conventionally produced dairy products except on very rare occasions and we were all organic for years and none of us have been obese and yes, DD is a late bloomer as was I. But just because a girl is developing physically does not mean that she is ready to leave childhood emotionally, and I would think that being able to choose more age appropriate options would be a good thing. The pushup and lacy underwire styles offered in the children's sections are much creepier to me.
post #60 of 100
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
I really don't think your nieces diet has anything to do with it. My 10 year old wears a B and while she did drink lots of dairy as a baby, she hasn't since she was about 2. By 3 we made sure to buy milk that did not have rBgh and by 5 we were only buying organic diary and she has been drinking only raw milk the last 2 years. Some girls just developed sooner than other.

And honestly if ANYTHING is to blame for it "seeming" that girls are wearing bras sooner than before it would be the fact that MANY of them are overweight. I have read many times that puberty hits about when a girl is 100 lbs. I don't think it is "hormones" in milk but more the all over weight of the child that effects these things. That and genes. Some people are just large chested and develop earlier than others.
Well being over-weight & bovine growth hormones in milk are both the factors as to why girls are developing earlier.Another factor would be genetically weak areas, also race and climate etc..I have read and heard that in the old days 150yrs ago girls at the age of 15-16 would start there period where as today the average age is 13 and younger.Same thing for boys the average age of puberty was 15-16 where as today it's 13.
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