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Elevated temp CDs 18-20 due to yeast infection or treatment?
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Originally Posted by heathermarie73 View Post
Girls I need help? Can anyone explain my chart? I am stumped.

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stopped checking CM on 18th due to yeast infection
Doesn't look like you've O'ed yet. Those two high temps could have been because of the infection, which could then have delayed O a bit. When O was delayed due to sickness for me this cycle, it came 12 days later than normal. You might be expecting something similar for yourself this time around. Looking at July's chart, your LP temps were 97.6 and up, and your two higher temps barely even touch that this cycle. I think you just have to be patient and expect O to come sometime in the next week or two.
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heather ~ I agree with Shannon and eirual. Elevated temps for 2 days could've been from the infection or anything you took to treat it.

I don't think anyone answered a question I asked a while ago so I'll try again. This cycle has got me thinking about all my other anov cycles. I always started a new cycle whenever bleeding started whether it was anov or not. Maybe for the anov breakthrough bleeding I should've kept them as one cycle until I Oed? I seem to O sooner than usual after breakthrough bleeding from an anov cycle, which might throw my average O day off. What do you all think? Would you start a new cycle after anov breakthrough bleeding that's just like AF or would you keep it all one cycle regardless of type of bleeding until you O?
post #344 of 365
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
heather ~ I agree with Shannon and eirual. Elevated temps for 2 days could've been from the infection or anything you took to treat it.

I don't think anyone answered a question I asked a while ago so I'll try again. This cycle has got me thinking about all my other anov cycles. I always started a new cycle whenever bleeding started whether it was anov or not. Maybe for the anov breakthrough bleeding I should've kept them as one cycle until I Oed? I seem to O sooner than usual after breakthrough bleeding from an anov cycle, which might throw my average O day off. What do you all think? Would you start a new cycle after anov breakthrough bleeding that's just like AF or would you keep it all one cycle regardless of type of bleeding until you O?
This is a good question! I hope someone answers it because I maybe in the same boat. Not sure I've ovulated yet at 13 months ppd or if I just had annovulatory bleeding. I think I might have o'd last cycle but I don't have concrete proof of a temp shift because I started temping late.
I figured I haven't o'd yet this "cycle" but I never thought about yeast giving me a temp. Glad I asked. Thanks.
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MW: Personally, I'd keep them as one cycle. Isn't it an oxymoron to say "annovulatory cycle"? What's cycling when you don't O? My biggest reason for keeping it one cycle is b/c, as you noted, women often O earlier after an annovulatory bleed, which would not only throw off your O stats, but also could result in an unintended pregnancy when following typical phase I rules. Though I believe you aren't supposed to consider yourself safe at any time pre-O after an annovulatory bleed. In which case, what's the point of calling it a new cycle anyway?
post #346 of 365
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Originally Posted by heathermarie73 View Post
Not sure I've ovulated yet at 13 months ppd or if I just had annovulatory bleeding. I think I might have o'd last cycle but I don't have concrete proof of a temp shift because I started temping late.
I figured I haven't o'd yet this "cycle" but I never thought about yeast giving me a temp. Glad I asked. Thanks.
Your temps are significantly higher during the tail-end of your July chart than your current temps this cycle, so I think it's safe to assume that you did O last cycle because they are elevated compared to your current temps.

I don't know about charting annovulatory cycles, sorry MW.
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Originally Posted by MovingMomma View Post
MW: Personally, I'd keep them as one cycle. Isn't it an oxymoron to say "annovulatory cycle"? What's cycling when you don't O? My biggest reason for keeping it one cycle is b/c, as you noted, women often O earlier after an annovulatory bleed, which would not only throw off your O stats, but also could result in an unintended pregnancy when following typical phase I rules. Though I believe you aren't supposed to consider yourself safe at any time pre-O after an annovulatory bleed. In which case, what's the point of calling it a new cycle anyway?
Haha! Yeah, the name doesn't really make sense. Since the bleeding isn't a true AF and it's considered breakthrough bleeding, it makes sense that it would all be one cycle. Yeah, again, that you aren't supposed to consider yourself safe pre-O after anov bleeding unless you have at least 4 days of cf dry up afterward. I'm going to change them and see how that changes my average O day. I went back and excluded all my charts from before having ds3 to see if that would change things but it didn't. I still have pretty much the same average O and cycle length.
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I'm so confused. Ugg... last cycle my thermometer was broken, so I bought a new target brand one but, now I think my new one is broken as well since it's not storing temps any more and sometimes it can vary a degree and a half if I take my temp twice. I think I will buy another thermometer today, should I start using it right away? or wait until the next cycle?

Does anyone have any insight on my chart? I'm still waiting on my copy of TCoYF to arrive and I'm not confident about my cervical observations. Yesterday I was creamy in the morning and dry/sticky night, this morning I was back to very slippery and watery (all checked internally). We had a condom accident on CD17 and all of this not knowing is making me panic :.
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Originally Posted by whitekole View Post
I'm so confused. Ugg... last cycle my thermometer was broken, so I bought a new target brand one but, now I think my new one is broken as well since it's not storing temps any more and sometimes it can vary a degree and a half if I take my temp twice. I think I will buy another thermometer today, should I start using it right away? or wait until the next cycle?

Does anyone have any insight on my chart? I'm still waiting on my copy of TCoYF to arrive and I'm not confident about my cervical observations. Yesterday I was creamy in the morning and dry/sticky night, this morning I was back to very slippery and watery (all checked internally). We had a condom accident on CD17 and all of this not knowing is making me panic :.
If you are mid-cycle, you really shouldn't change thermometers. However, if the thermometer isn't working you don't really have much choice. Could you try a new battery in the new one?

Can you post a link to your chart? It's not uncommon for CF to change throughout the day. You should record/base your fertility on the most fertile CF you see during the day. For yesterday, I'd record creamy and today watery. That means you are potentially very fertile so be careful.
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I knew there was something very important I was forgetting... http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/27d146
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whitekole: Are you using a basal therm & temping at the same time each morning, before you're up and moving around? Your temps are wild! I find it easier to check CM externally, rather than internally.
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MovingMomma: I have been using a Target brand basal therm and DH hands it to me between 6:15 and 6:25 every morning. A few mornings this cycle my 9 month old has beat the alarm up and I have wiggled around in bed with him before DH gets up (those were on CDs 8, 13, 17, and 18). The open circle on my chart was taken at 7:15 since we all had a lazy morning. Also I'm nursing and don't get CM on my tissue or in my underwear so I keep cheking internally with the hope that it might make my temps make sense. My temps used to be very clear when I charted before DS so I just don't get it.

MarineWife: I tried a new battery and the therm is still acting funny, I'll pick up a new one tonight. Potentially very fertile was my conclusion as well; hopefully not though as the condom failed spectacularly and I'm finding it very upsetting to not know anything about when/if O is still upcoming.
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I've had spiky temps like that before. You only need to pay attention to the previous temps, though, which look like they might be leveling off a bit. There's no way for you to know from temps or anything else when you will O. You can only know if you are potentially fertile or not. As long as you have fertile CF, you have to assume O has not happened and you could still get pg. Temps on your last chart do appear to be biphasic with O on cd18 but that makes for a very long lp. 18 days usually means pg. Your temps are low, though, not in the normal post-O range, plus you had a lot of fertile CF after that, which makes me think no O.

AFM, no spotting all day. I have had quite a bit of sticky CF, which is surprising since I usually don't get much. Maybe that RRL tea really did the trick.
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whitekole, if your DC is 9 mos, howmany PP AFs have you had? Could it be possible that you're not ovulating yet, and hense the staggered temps?
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Originally Posted by eirual View Post
whitekole, if your DC is 9 mos, howmany PP AFs have you had? Could it be possible that you're not ovulating yet, and hense the staggered temps?
I have had 9 PP AFs, most have been about 30 days apart with one being 20 and one being 41. I'm pretty sure I have ovulated at least some of those times, and 99% sure since I wasn't charting yet that I ovulated 2 weeks PP. My mom had an early return to fertility despite EBF as well.
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Originally Posted by whitekole View Post
MovingMomma: I have been using a Target brand basal therm and DH hands it to me between 6:15 and 6:25 every morning. A few mornings this cycle my 9 month old has beat the alarm up and I have wiggled around in bed with him before DH gets up (those were on CDs 8, 13, 17, and 18). The open circle on my chart was taken at 7:15 since we all had a lazy morning. Also I'm nursing and don't get CM on my tissue or in my underwear so I keep cheking internally with the hope that it might make my temps make sense. My temps used to be very clear when I charted before DS so I just don't get it.

MarineWife: I tried a new battery and the therm is still acting funny, I'll pick up a new one tonight. Potentially very fertile was my conclusion as well; hopefully not though as the condom failed spectacularly and I'm finding it very upsetting to not know anything about when/if O is still upcoming.
Is it the purple therm from Target? I've gotten a couple of bad ones from there and I just keep returning them until I get one that works.
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whitekole-youre temps are everywhere, I can't make any sense of them. I record the most fertile cf. This cycle-my 2nd one-I had days of dry but with one or two patches of creamy/ew cf and I marked ew because there was a little bit. I check internal cf, because some days there's not enough to check when wiped. If there's a lot of creamy or ew, then I don't do internal since there's so much on the paper-kwim? I check my cervix position each morning around the same time, but it's hard for me to judge the opening, so I don't record that.
MW-I'd keep this cycle one cycle until you have 3 wks of no spotting, then any spotting/bleed after that would be a new cycle. I'm real glad the rrl tea is helping I wish I'd have tried that-maybe it would have helped my bleed stop earlier.
I thought tcoyf said new spotting after so many days-near when you would get af-would be considered a new cycle for annovulatory ones? I do remember that it said since o didn't occure that you could be fertile after that though and to watch the cf.

I have a ?- since I actually have my temps this whole month, I would need temps above 97.3 and stay up there to consider o right? Or would they be lower since those higher temps could have been coming down from af? MW-I know you said that coming from af sometimes it takes a few days for temps to level out.
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/28fb6b
post #358 of 365
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Originally Posted by bbrandonsmom View Post
whitekole-youre temps are everywhere, I can't make any sense of them. I record the most fertile cf. This cycle-my 2nd one-I had days of dry but with one or two patches of creamy/ew cf and I marked ew because there was a little bit. I check internal cf, because some days there's not enough to check when wiped. If there's a lot of creamy or ew, then I don't do internal since there's so much on the paper-kwim? I check my cervix position each morning around the same time, but it's hard for me to judge the opening, so I don't record that.
MW-I'd keep this cycle one cycle until you have 3 wks of no spotting, then any spotting/bleed after that would be a new cycle. I'm real glad the rrl tea is helping I wish I'd have tried that-maybe it would have helped my bleed stop earlier.
I thought tcoyf said new spotting after so many days-near when you would get af-would be considered a new cycle for annovulatory ones? I do remember that it said since o didn't occure that you could be fertile after that though and to watch the cf.

I have a ?- since I actually have my temps this whole month, I would need temps above 97.3 and stay up there to consider o right? Or would they be lower since those higher temps could have been coming down from af? MW-I know you said that coming from af sometimes it takes a few days for temps to level out.
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/28fb6b
It's not that your temps have to be above a specific temp but there needs to be a clear shift. So you need to have a section of low temps followed by a section of high temps. In my class, I teach the couples that it needs to be a group of 9 temps total, 6 lower temps followed by 3 higher temps. But the temp shift that I teach is more drastic than the rules that FF goes by. I teach that the 3rd high temp needs to be at or above .4 degrees higher than the highest of the 6 low temps. Make sense?
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bbrandonsmom: You currently have a potential shift starting on CD 18. The only low temps that matter are the 6 right before the shift. For NFP, your LTL would be 97 or maybe 96.8 if you need to shave the temp on CD 12. For FAM, your coverline would be at 97.1.
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bb, if your temps stay up from here, it looks like O was CD 17. If you take the 6 temps before it, 97.1 counts as being "high" given that it's higher than all 6 previous temps.

I believe (and I could be wrong) to get the coverline that you need to go over to confirm O, you take your last 6 temperatures (exclude any outlying extremes) and go .05 degree above the highest one, 3 temps above the coverline confirm O.
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