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post #41 of 365
My chart.

I like CD 21 for O, what do you all think?

Should I keep linking my chart in posts, or is the chart code in sig working for people?
post #42 of 365
I would agree with CD21

I never used to click on charts in signatures for some reason, but I've found myself looking more when it's right there in the post (could I be that lazy or is there something else going on there?). The signatures won't link anytime soon (if ever) so if you want people to look, it's deffinitely handy to have the link in your post.
post #43 of 365
Thread Starter 
MovingMomma - I have seen that message before but I had some pretty serious chart gaps that month. I'm not sure why it would apply in your case....to me to me your chart looks pretty clear that you O'd CD 21, give or take. FF can be crazy sometimes.

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Originally Posted by bbrandonsmom View Post
BS-how are things looking today? I have no idea the chances, though I agree if there were a lot of ewcm there would be a better chance I guess. I'm sort of hanging w/ you here, since that's similar to what happened to us, only I had ewcm. It's been interesting temping though.
Hmm that happened to you too? When/what's the situation? I DID have EW (though not much) but I've dried up and no temp shift...I think my body might be taking the month off. :

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Originally Posted by MovingMomma View Post
Should I keep linking my chart in posts, or is the chart code in sig working for people?
I don't know...this is a pain. I have it set to put a lot of posts on each page so I just scrolled up to the top and found your chart, but when it's on a different page I'd probably use the code...maybe we should all keep linking whenever we are asking/talking about our charts. Not necessarily every post.
post #44 of 365
MM: CD 21 looks great! What a clear, beautiful chart... *sighs with envy* lol

I agree; throwing the link into the post when we want it looked at is the easiest for me.
post #45 of 365
Shannon ~ I'm with everyone else with cd21. Looks pretty clear to me. I have no idea why FF would give you that message. Just goes to show what I used to practically yell at people on there when involved in the ttc stuff. You cannot rely on the software. You have to know how to interpret your chart yourself.

I'm not sure what we're supposed to do with the code in your sig. Can you explain? I'll admit right now that if it involves more than one step, I probably won't do it. I only have time for short spurts here and there to jump on the pc so I don't have much time to go from this window to that, copying and pasting and such. I vote for posting a link to your chart at least whenever asking a question.
post #46 of 365
I'm new at this chart thing, but I'd agree w/ 21.

BS-last Wed-so that was like 2 days before I o'd according to the opk and ff. But I had a lot of ewcm prior to that. I had some the day or two after o, but then it went to creamy and it's getting less and less. So though the chance is slim, it worries/stresses me a little.

I went back looking at a bunch of charts on ff and have a few questions. I only looked at the ovulatory, pregnancy and mc ones.
Most of the ovulatory ones seem to have high temps after o, then around the 12-13 day just drop below the base line and af comes. Some temps jumped around, or gradually went lower, but most seemed to just drop down. Normal for the most part?

The preg ones had the temps just going up and up w/ no drop-those seemed pretty consistant. Do they ever drop during preg? It seemed most people stopped temping. If the temp dropped would that signal a mc?

But, the mc ones (I had to look), followed the preg ones, but then also dropped just like the ovulatory ones around day 12-14. If one hadn't taken a hcg test, they'd have never known they were preg it seems. So it almost seems counterproductive to test early on days 10/11 at all, since the mc charts follow the regular charts as far as temp and af. Why set ourselves up for the sadness? It's made me rethink testing too early.
post #47 of 365
Thread Starter 
bbrandonsmom - Yeah you pretty much got it as far as the difference between pg and non-pg charts. Except luteal phases can vary, so it's not always 12-13 days, it depends on your personal luteal phase. I believe if you get pregnant your temps stays high until the onset of labor, so yes, if it dropped that could signal a miscarriage (of course it could also be you were sleeping in a really cold room or something...). I guess I don't know anyone who has actually temped all the way through their pregnancy though.

As for the difference between pregnancy charts and miscarriage charts and testing early, well here's the deal. Miscarriages can really happen anytime, there are times when it happens almost the same time you would expect your period, but they can also happen much later - up to 20 weeks. And if you test early and find that you are pregnant, of course there is a chance you could end up with a really early miscarriage, but I guess not that high of a chance. Not sure what I'm really trying to say but you could wait until you're sure you were pregnant, like two weeks late, test, get a positive, and miscarry the next day so...it doesn't really matter I guess? Personal preference. I mean a test isn't going to change the fact of pregnancy or non-pregnancy.

Wow I don't think that made any sense AT ALL. :P Sorry.
post #48 of 365
Trying to catch up after some days away!

CD 22 and still no O for me! Maybe it's still wonky from going off the mini pill and nursing?
My chart

Off to read and catch up
post #49 of 365
I haven't been following along or charting for that matter. Just wanted to chime in and say I'm almost 7 months PP and still no AF. This is the longest I have ever gone without AF after my babes. I conceived at 6 months PP and 7 months PP with my first 2 after having had at least 2 AF appearances. Still going on LAM now!
post #50 of 365
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Originally Posted by bbrandonsmom View Post
The preg ones had the temps just going up and up w/ no drop-those seemed pretty consistant. Do they ever drop during preg? It seemed most people stopped temping. If the temp dropped would that signal a mc?

But, the mc ones (I had to look), followed the preg ones, but then also dropped just like the ovulatory ones around day 12-14. If one hadn't taken a hcg test, they'd have never known they were preg it seems. So it almost seems counterproductive to test early on days 10/11 at all, since the mc charts follow the regular charts as far as temp and af. Why set ourselves up for the sadness? It's made me rethink testing too early.
A drop in temp after a confirmed pg can signal an m/c but doesn't necessarily. I wouldn't worry about it too much unless it dropped below the CL, though. Also, temps don't have to drop to have a m/c. I had my temp go up a down a few times when I was pg with ds2. One thing I always look at when I see consistent temps on a pg chart is whether or not the person was taking progesterone. I'm sure it's normal to have rather consistent high temps when pg but not for me unless I'm taking progesterone so that's why I look for that.

Testing early and finding out you are having multiple m/cs can be useful if you are ttc. After 3 early m/cs (aka chemical pgs), most docs will run various tests to try to determine the reason for the m/cs so they can be prevented. I've had 4 m/cs, 2 of which occurred right around the time AF was due. If I hadn't tested early, I may not have known I had problems with early m/cs, most certainly would not have had any testing done to find out that I have a double mutation on my mthfr gene that interferes with folic acid absorption and may be associated with blood clotting that can cause m/c. If I hadn't known all of that and taken extra precautions, I may not have ds3. If you aren't concerned about that, then there's certainly no reason to test before AF is late unless you really want to know asap.

I spent 2 1/2 years ttc before I got pg with ds2. I was told by 3 different doctors that I probably would not be able to get pg again. I showed them, though. Ha! I experienced 3 m/cs before getting pg with ds3. And then there's this most recent m/c that has really been the hardest for me. I can't say which was(is) more heartbreaking, the thought back when we were ttc that I may never be able to be pg again and never able to have my dh's child or the loss of a pg. Because I hadn't started testing early until the cycle I got pg with ds2, I may have been pg many times during the 2 1/2 years we were ttc and just not known it. If I had known, maybe we would've had 4 kids by now instead of 2. My point in all of that is that I think it's a very personal thing whether or not to test early, whether or not you can handle knowing that you are m/cing, whether or not you would do something about it if you knew you had multiple early m/cs.

BTW, my home is my own again. It's so calm and quiet. I have collapsed. I'm grateful that I was in a position that I could help those kids but I'm also grateful for them and me that they are home with their dad and his family now.
post #51 of 365
This is my first cycle for charting to avoid. I can always tell if I have ovulated because my nipples get sore right after ovulation. My question is what is the relavence of spotting when you are charting to avoid? I spotted today and my AF was done 3 days ago and its CD9 for me.
post #52 of 365
Thread Starter 
Lydiah - sometimes there is spotting around ovulation time. This would be considered extremely fertile. But CD 9 is kinda early...do you typically have cycles on the shorter side?
post #53 of 365
Ladybee-I'd say it's a combo of your hormones getting straightned out after the mini pill and possibly nursing. I've been looking over some ff charts to get an idea of them, maybe you could search for ones for going of the pill and nursing ones to see if yours looks like any of them?

MMD-I got af w/ds1 after 10 months and after ds2 after only 3 months, and I was exclusively nursing both. Maybe it's different each time? I was a bit sad at having af already that soon, since most moms I knew went over 10+ months before they got af back. If it worries you, you could always poas. What is LAM?

MM-wow, what you've gone through. That does makes a lot of sense for those couples ttc, to see if there's a problem early on. Maybe when you guys are ready or by the fates, you guys will be blessed with another? I'm glad you have your quiet house now and can rest up-rest, rest, rest.

I just realized as I was looking at my chart today, that this is going to be a long cycle for me. It has my af showing up the 15th-on d37. The only cycle I know was long was back in Dec. My cycles are like clockwork-I didn't temp before, but would have about 3 days of ewcm around the 14th of the month, then get af 2 weeks later. And I was nursing too.
So I feel like my body was trying really hard to get back on track, when I first had ewcm and normally would have o'd then, but didn't. If I had I would have af coming up this weekend. I wouldn't mind if it came earlier, or at least by when ff is saying, because I'm curious if next month will be back to normal or if my cycles will be longer for awhile.
Ok, the boys are up, off to make breakfast.
post #54 of 365
LAM = lactational amenhorrea method

lydiah ~ spotting on cd9 after nothing for 3 days is a tricky one. is it red or brown? red would be new blood possibly from your cervix being irritated. brown would be old possibly left over from af that just now found it's way out. spotting can also be caused by hormone changes. mid-cycle spotting can happen in association with O but, like BFS said, cd9 is kind of early for that. however, it's not abnormal to O as early as cd11 and 1-2 days of spotting just before that would be consistent with O spotting. Hope that made sense.

bb ~ I would love to have another baby, now more than ever. I thought having all those extra kids in my house would convince me not to want anymore children but the opposite happened. I realized that I can handle, and even enjoy, having lots of kids around, not that I want 4 more! I could definitely do one more child. Unfortunately, my dh is deployed right now and we won't be together again for any significant amount of time for about a year. By then we'll both be 40 and I just don't see him wanting to even chance having another baby. We were cta when I got pg this last time because he doesn't want anymore. OTOH, he had started to get excited about the new baby right before I told him I was going to m/c and he was prepared to foster those kids long term if needed so maybe there's a chance. I'm hoping that he'll at least agree to stop tta even if he doesn't want to actively ttc.

I thought of something else. You've said you've been looking at others charts on FF to familiarize yourself with how different types of charts look. One thing to remember is that you cannot reliably compare your chart to others and expect them to be the same. So, you can't safely project what your cycle and chart will be like based on what others' have been. You'll have to get at least 3 good O charts of your own before you can start to rely on any types of patterns for yourself.
post #55 of 365
I have a cf? It says to record the most fertile cf you have. Does it matter how much though? Ex-for the past two days I've had mostly creamy/sticky, since it's getting less, but both days I had a time of very ewcm. So would I record ewcm and start counting over again for safe bd?
Why do you start counting over again if it's been over 4 days since o? Wouldn't we not be fertile any longer after that? Or does more ewcm make us fertile even if it's been a few days past o?
post #56 of 365
bbrandonsmom: Quality is what really matters for CM. And yes, record the most fertile CM on any day. I'm not sure what you mean by count over again, though. Once you've O'd, you won't O again until the next cycle.

MW: Interesting thoughts on early testing and miscarriage. I had a thread about that over on the loss board & most people thought they wouldn't actually want to know. So when do/did you test? A day or two before you expect AF?

Lydiah: Welcome! Can you post a chart? In addition to the other ideas, it's also possible that spotting could be due to an early miscarriage instead of AF and the spotting is residual to that.
post #57 of 365
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Originally Posted by BarefootScientist View Post
Lydiah - sometimes there is spotting around ovulation time. This would be considered extremely fertile. But CD 9 is kinda early...do you typically have cycles on the shorter side?
No they are usually on the long side. Before I got pregnant and the 3 cycles I had before I went on the mini pill my cycles were 33-34 days long. Oh and the spotting started out red and then went brown. That day I started off with creamy CM.
post #58 of 365
I want to do this but am exclusively BFing. Do I have to wait for my period to start before I can avoid? I can't take any birth control and don't want anymroe children.
post #59 of 365
From the "rules"
1) Peak day rule: the last day of fertile mucous is called the peak day (the day before your mucous begins to dry up). You are safe to DTD on the fourth consecutive day after the peak day. If another patch of more fertile mucous appears, start your count over.

That's what I mean by counting over. I'm not making sense of it though.
Lydia, can you link your chart? I had some spotting about 2 weeks ago and then one day that I didn't mark down. I thought it was o spotting, but I didn't o for another week, so I don't know what it might have been, other than some blood from a bit overzelouse bd.
post #60 of 365
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/282068

I hope that works. I am not temping as I wake up too much for the kiddo.
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