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MW out of town, Full Term, what?!

post #1 of 22
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Posted this info a bit ago, but am totally fishing for help/advice. Here's the link to details, since I don't wanna type it all again and it's super long. Just needing to put it out there for more to see and see if anyone can help me make sense in my head of this and validate that my feelings are normal. Please see post #5 and ANY response of support is so needed. Why do I feel so alone here? OH, must be the hormones!

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...6#post14170776
post #2 of 22
Ummm...I was seriously speechless at first after reading that post! Wow! I hope you don't have to use the back up, and after you are done with delivery & the follow-up appointments with your midwife, I hope you write her a good, long note detailing all of this for her information as well as telling her you'll be finding someone a little more considerate next time (shouldn't be too difficult!).

Holy cow! I've always known that I love my mw & now I feel like tracking her down & hugging her!

Good luck with whatever comes from your mw...! I hope you'll be able to deal with her long enough to be civil for the birth
post #3 of 22
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I wish I could find your MW and go hug her myself.

As for civil for the birth, now I'm thinking about that more. I'd rather use the BMW if she'd come here. I just don't know that she would for sure. She's pretty far, and there's another option. I'm not comfortable with it, though. Understandably, huh??? I hope she can just keep silent. She's gotta do that at least. Oh wow, this is nuts. Why did I go with her?!?! I knew there was just something not right. Didn't click. But she was the most convenient since I was in the right county and she'd take state coverage through a managed care program. I jumped at the chance, even though it's a drive. Oh, she doesn't do home visits ahead, either. Hmmm...
post #4 of 22
Do you know why she's going out of town? Your report of the conversation sounds to be like she is very stressed and may be dealing with a personal crisis. If that's the case, she might not feel it necessary or appropriate to share the details with you, or might be just too upset to talk about it. Is this sudden change of plans in keeping with your experience with her so far?
post #5 of 22
I am new to homebirth. I've had two hospital births and am planning a HB in Nov. The two midwives I am talking to now...I actually haven't decided... they are both 2.5 hours, the same as your backup. They didn't seem affected by the distance. So maybe the backup would come to your house. She should for sure!!!
post #6 of 22
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I do not know why she is going out of town, and I don't think it's my business really. Probably was sudden plans, but I don't know. But her tone, responses, demeanor, etc. was just the same as any other day. She is always cut and dry. So no difference there. The difference is that I am past 37 wks and would really have screwey options if I did deliver while she is gone. The status post on FB says what, where, time will be back and then ppl who know her better say, "Please tell *** hello for us", someone asking why she is going, wishes of a good time and cooler weather upon return, and then me, "I'll hold the baby in for sure! What do I do if she decides no?" She was offline by that point, so I called and she said she was leaving in about an hour, like it was none of my business. BC I had asked, "Are you already gone?" She's back Mon she says, I have appt Tues, and don't even wanna go. What's the point? Driving so far to have her say, "Yup, you are 38 weeks pg. Looks good. Oh, and I TOLD YOU it wouldn't happen." Mark my words. She will say it. I know this to be fact, as that is just who she is.

There has never been a sudden change of plans, except when I arrived for an appt last mo at the same time as a mom in labor and witnessed the birth after 30 min. there. She asked me to take notes and the woman was ok with it. I ended up photographing and throwing in some doula encouragement as she needed it. The guy there (not really the daddy) was telling her to shut up over and over. After MW didn't say anything I just quietly kept saying things like, "You do whatever you need to do. You are doing beautifully. Let it go however you want to." Without punching him of course. They were different, that's for sure. 10 lbs!
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Lineymom View Post
I am new to homebirth. I've had two hospital births and am planning a HB in Nov. The two midwives I am talking to now...I actually haven't decided... they are both 2.5 hours, the same as your backup. They didn't seem affected by the distance. So maybe the backup would come to your house. She should for sure!!!
I really hope so! She did say call every day for any reason if I want. I should talk to her about it again. Maybe I could just transfer care? Her conversation on the phone was twice as nice and warm as any I've ever had with my MW.
post #8 of 22
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Talked to backup who was just checking in. She said I wouldn't hear "I told you so" from my MW, and she knows her VERY well. I just know her differently, but I'm sure it's not intentional. Didn't ask about travel, since it probably won't happen. I honestly feel bad if she had to get outa town for some emergency, since it probably doesn't mean it's something good. I just need communication, as would any woman in the same position. Backup said she'll be back tomorrow. So, I am gonna stop freaking out. Not worth it. Feathers are ruffled and I really expected more. But it is how it is. Going to tye-die onesies at a birthday party and pray the BH ctx slow down. Or increase? Whatever!
post #9 of 22
Whoa. I am really shocked she would do that.

My midwives are out of town right now, and I'm full term (37 weeks) BUT they told me from the beginning they would be gone during this time. One of my midwives has a daughter who lives out of state and they went to attend her birth. I never ever go early, so we weren't too freaked out about them being gone from 37-38 weeks during my pregnancy. They left me a backup midwife to call on and who will attend my birth if they are not in town. That's the professional way to handle this.

I mean, even if she left for some emergency, the least she could have done was inform you personally.
post #10 of 22
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Sounds like their circumstance is different. AND you know ahead. Even if it's not way ahead, it's just knowing that helps to ease the mind. Yes, to inform me personally. And my birth is a home birth. Which means even for backup, I don't need to leave home. That really gets me.
post #11 of 22
IMO, as a homebirth mom and fledgling midwife, I think it's rude to leave town and not leave word with clients. If she had time to update her facebook status then IMO, she had time to call her full-term clients and assure them a backup midwife is lined up (although granted, typing a status update takes 10 seconds while those phone calls could take a bit of time).
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by tellmemore View Post
Sounds like their circumstance is different. AND you know ahead. Even if it's not way ahead, it's just knowing that helps to ease the mind. Yes, to inform me personally. And my birth is a home birth. Which means even for backup, I don't need to leave home. That really gets me.
Yes, totally different circumstances and I agree. She should have at the very least called to inform you. Even if the odds are that you won't go into labor while she's gone, it's still possible.
post #13 of 22
well I guess I'll be the odd one out. I don't think it's that weird for a midwife to go out of town and not tell you. Sounds like she wasn't gone that long, and honestly, most midwives have a really good sense of when particular clients will go into labor. If you hadn't seen her FB status, you wouldn't have known anything, and wouldn't have worried and had all the drama. There's no point, imo, in worrying over things that possibly, might happen. Even if you had gone into labor, you would've called her, she would have told you the backup will be there soon, she will be coming soon after, and she would've called her backup. Not a big deal. And imo she is your midwife, but that is not all she is: she's entitled to her own private life. She exercised her judgement by not notifying you of her personal plans, but it's not like you're 39 weeks. Even though 37 weeks is considered "full-term" it's very rare for babies to come that early, as unusual as for them to come at 43 weeks, given good nutrition, etc.

But, having said all that, it sounds like you and your midwife really don't get along. It's worth it to have a conversation about if she and you think it's best to transfer your care to the backup and how that would look financially, etc. Who knows? Maybe just having that conversation will get you two where you need to be to be trusting in birth. I do really hope it works out well for you and that you have a beautiful birth!
post #14 of 22
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If I had gone into labor I would have called her, got the machine, telling me to call the BMW myself and then BMW would have told me to drive 1.5 hrs to what was supposed to be my HB when all my preparations and rights to what I chose are here. I understand the part about if I had not seen the FB status, etc. Worrying over a maybe. I understand that everyone has a personal life and that's to be expected. It is none of my business to even know the circumstances and I would never ask since I don't really care. I do care about her and hope it's not something bad that happened. I do plan to have a conversation with her about why I got frustrated, and why I should not have to deal with condescending comments when my feelings are valid. So what if we don't agree. I can handle that. But to be cold and cut and dry about everything. That's not the rep most MW have, or want at least. Why do ppl choose to HB with a MW in the first place?
post #15 of 22
My midwife was out of town for a week and a half when I was 36-37 weeks. It was a planned trip and she told me about it months ago. It was originally scheduled for a couple weeks later, but she has three of us due this month so she made it earlier so she would be less likely to miss one of our births. When she first told me I found out who her backup was and before she left she gave me the back ups phone and pager numbers in case I went into labor though she repeatedly told me to call her if I needed anything. I told her I would not call her unless it was very important because I wanted to respect her vacation time, but she kept telling me not to worry. That this is what she does and being available all the time to clients is part of the job and that she honestly does not mind. I did end up calling, but it was for a really good reason that could not have waited.

I personally think that is what you should expect from a homebirth midwife. What you got is what you should expect from a doctor or midwife working out of a hospital. I personally choose homebirth for a variety of reasons and one of them is the relationship I have with my midwife. When you go to a provider at a hospital it is pretty much expected that when you go into labor you get whoever is available, not necessarily your primary provider. With homebirth it tends to be the opposite you expect to get the person you have built a relationship with and if that might not happen then you should be informed. Part of the philosophy of homebirth is the understanding that the birth setting, who is present, and a laboring woman's emotions play huge roles in labor. Expecting you to find out that you are suddenly supposed to drive somewhere else to deliver with a stranger when you are actually in labor goes against all of this.

Also I have to say that no one can really say when labor will happen. Yes, there are indicators, but it's not really something you can guarantee. Experienced midwives and doctors are wrong all the time. I personally was told I would probably go early with my first, who was born at 42 weeks. Another woman I know was told by her midwife to go ahead and take that weekend getaway at 38 weeks, you aren't going into labor for a while yet- they had to turn around and come home when she went into labor and she had the baby in the car.

I am so sorry you had this experience and I hope you can find a way to repair some of the trust you have lost with your midwife. I would encourage you to be assertive and tell her how you feel and if you don't get a positive reaction, try to go with the back up as it really is important for you to have trust with your midwife. I think there's also a good lesson for the future and for others and that would be to trust your gut instincts and to ask about trips away and backup plans when interviewing midwives.

I hope you have a wonderful birth. Please keep us posted.
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the support. I know that I deserve the home birth that I chose. Not a crazy unknown thing. At least to know if there's any possibility of it all hitting the fan while in labor. People plan home birth. That means they have made plans. They can change of course, but they hire someone to help them in their PLAN.

You MW sounds very nice and comforting, and in a situation like that I would have not been upset at all. How respectful of her!

I will keep everyone posted. My appointment is Tuesday night. She returns sometime tomorrow. Stay in baby!
post #17 of 22
No advice. But I hope you get your nice, peaceful, homebirth that you are wanting.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by moonglowmama View Post
Even though 37 weeks is considered "full-term" it's very rare for babies to come that early, as unusual as for them to come at 43 weeks, given good nutrition, etc.
I've been to primip births at 37 weeks... and sure, many midwives do learn to have a sense of when clients will have their babies- my preceptor is very good at predicting which week clients will have their babies. BUT, I think the problem I have with this situation is the lack of communication.

Likely or not to have her baby this week, she IS full-term and expects her mw to be available at her birth. I would too.
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
Exactly!! Thank you, thank you!!
post #20 of 22
[QUOTE=moonglowmama;14175006]And imo she is your midwife, but that is not all she is: she's entitled to her own private life. She exercised her judgement by not notifying you of her personal plans, but it's not like you're 39 weeks. Even though 37 weeks is considered "full-term" it's very rare for babies to come that early, as unusual as for them to come at 43 weeks, given good nutrition, etc.QUOTE]

I had my dd btwn 37 and 38 weeks. If this lady had been my midwife, I would have been screwed. If she is full term and the midwife isn't going to be around, the midwife has the obligation to offer her the information of the backup just in case. What she did was very irresponsible.
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