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post #141 of 231
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As for me, Moniker-less and I went kaput. ....a three day argument, which turned into us mutually calling it quits....love sometimes just ain't enough....




I was so shocked when I read this.




You, on the other hand, sound so un-devastated. I'm impressed, and I admire you for being so mature about what seems like the correct resolution to a pretty big difference in thinking. Congratulations on being so adult. Both of you, I suppose.

But aren't you pretty bummed out on some level? I think if I were you I'd be more than weepy and frustrated. I'm so impressed at your clam & even choice of words about all this. Wow.
post #142 of 231
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I was so shocked when I read this.




You, on the other hand, sound so un-devastated. I'm impressed, and I admire you for being so mature about what seems like the correct resolution to a pretty big difference in thinking. Congratulations on being so adult. Both of you, I suppose.

But aren't you pretty bummed out on some level? I think if I were you I'd be more than weepy and frustrated. I'm so impressed at your clam & even choice of words about all this. Wow.
I'm definitely bummed out. I'm actually more angry than anything else...but if we're going to break up over something, I'd rather it be something THAT clear cut - in my mind - than something where I'm wondering what went wrong, you know? That particular subject, as well as people who hide their bigotry behind "Christian love", really make me very very angry.

A friend of mine and I took our kids to the playground at the mall tonight. We were actually planning to go to the kids night at the church where we work, but they weren't ready when they said they would be, our kids were cranky, so we went to dinner and then to the mall playground. This is a friend who saw me pretty much every day for the whirlwind of the last two weeks.

And wouldn't you know who showed up? Moniker-less and his daughter. They just happened to be walking the mall at the same time, she saw her friends, that was the end of that.

He came over and sat down. My friend kind of busied herself with the kids while making big bug-eyed WTF looks at me. He just kind of talked to me like nothing had happened. It was very strange. About 10 minutes later, they started closing the storefronts, so we all left, and he asked if he could give me a hug and I told him no. And then later got a text message that he shouldn't have been surprised by that, but it hurt his feelings.

He called and we talked for a few minutes, and he said that the reason that he reacted the way that he did was because everything had moved so quickly and he couldn't think straight when he was around me and yada yada, and I told him that *I* was not the one that dropped the L word, and that nobody held a gun to his head and told him to say it. Yes, I was the one that kissed him first, but it wasn't until the second "date". But that still didn't excuse the fact that we're clearly two different people on some big issues, and that he is very obviously looking for a mother for his kids, and not a girlfriend/potential wife, despite what he says, and I'm not into stepping into the role that his mother is already playing to those kids. I don't want that to be my whole deal. And didn't we already decide that this wasn't working?

We had made plans to hang out with all the kids tomorrow, but that was back before this whole mess, and I just assumed that that was off and went ahead and made other plans. He apparently assumed that it was on, and asked what time they should be here in the morning, and I told him that I had made other plans. He was disappointed. I don't understand. Either we're together, or we're not, and if we are, we have to be able to at least have a mutual respect for the other's opinion on big stuff, or it's not worth wasting our time together, and it's not fair to our kids to wishy washy this all out. And I'll be the first to admit, the only respect I have for his opinion on that particular subject is that he is reading from one interpretation of the Bible, and doesn't do the research into why it's written like that, and, to be fair to him, he's always said he believes in the literal word of the Bible. And I think it's almost easier to go through life that way. (I think it was you, Sagesgirl, that mentioned that when you go back to the aramaic or greek version of that particular passage, the word they use most likely refers to pederasty, and not homosexuality. If we even get into that subject again, I already know that I'm going to be hitting a brick wall when I take that approach.)

On top of that, he told me earlier this week, before the argument erupted, that he couldn't kiss me anymore, because that made him have passionate thoughts for the rest of the day/night. Well, I'm sorry, but even if we can agree on the bigger issue at hand, I'm not getting groped, I'm not getting skin to skin contact, and we're definitely not dancing. If I can't at least be kissed - and at least once a week, GOOD and thoroughly kissed, iykwim - then no, you cannot be my boyfriend. Period.

I'll give him a chance to sort out his thoughts, but I doubt anything will come of it.
post #143 of 231
I like when they are just slightly taller than me, and when we hug, my head fits right between his neck and his chest. I have no clue what that actual height is, but that's the one I prefer.
post #144 of 231
Oh no, ABMS, I could not take Biblical literalism. I'm sorry, but no. I could not take the "no kissing" rule either. I've heard of it, honest, but it's one of those fringe ideas in my mind. But then, I was never good at the whole "no premarital sex" thing, and I'm reevaluating it because I honestly can't find it anywhere in the Bible. I do understand that a man of the cloth has to be held to a different standard; I don't think I could dance with a priest for instance. (Er, mind that I am an Episcopalian, so even though we use the same term as Catholics, we actually let ours get married and have kids and stuff.)

But there has to be some middle ground and it sounds like he wasn't interested in it. The related conversation reminds me of my ex, to be honest, where his idea of compromise was giving me a list of stuff to change. And he also tried to cloak it in Biblical terms.

I wonder if maybe he doesn't think you're going to come around?! But I think you are right, he is more looking for a mother than a spouse. With the way his mother seems happy to pick up his slack as a father, I am certain she did it constantly when he was a little boy, too. Not a dynamic I would care to be involved with!
post #145 of 231
Well to add to the break-ups, the "man" I was "talking to" from work just completely started ignoring me and starting dating someone else. What a weirdo. We went from talking or texting every day to him completely ignoring me. It was odd and unexpected but what can you do?? I have no idea what happened and if that's how its going to go down, I don't really care either. Good riddance.
post #146 of 231
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God, it's the breakup week.

I'm sorry to hear about yours, too, Tilia.

I just can't get over how I have run into FIVE of the men who have gone out with me but haven't been interested in being my boyfriend, all this week. (or, er, their best friend) What a small city this is.
post #147 of 231
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It's saturday night.......

.......and I have five girlfriends and three guy friends to get together with and hook up with on the dance floor tonight.

Last night I was with three great platonic guy friends and five other people who I got to know through one of my friends, and we all had the best night out, dancing the night away. Great exercise, too, I'm freakin' sore today.

After Thursday night's nightmare, this whole bein' with good pals and having good clean fun that involves only smiles and laughter and dancing and singing along to songs we all know and having a good time with no romantic designs.... just feels great.

The Tall Dutchboy has sent me messages about how sweet I am, and having dinner on Wednesday. He lives in Amsterdam but travels weekly back and forth here, and wednesday is the next time he'll be in town.
post #148 of 231
Butterflymom,



Glad to hear things are looking up in the going out with friends department, and that Tall Dutchboy seems into you.
post #149 of 231
ABMS I am sorry that such a basic thing went wrong, I know you were having fun with the strong connection. Sounds like underneath the values issue was the issue around what really he was looking for. I hope it was overall a good experience for you getting your feet wet, and wish you the best with your next paramour!

Butterfly, you sure do not lack for men. i wish there were some better way to meet them, or something, because these guys do not seem worth your time.

Hollycrand, happy for you with swimming guy. Have fun with your child free weekend! Keep dishing.

Well, I rarely post because I've been dating the same guy for nearly two years now, but wanted to announce we're engaged. We definitely have our issues, but many strengths going for us, like a willingness on both sides to keep talking when there's been a problem, until it's all the way resolved. We've started premarital counseling to shore up our skills and help us strategize as we blend our families. He's more than I would have thought to ask for, had i been designing a sweetheart.
post #150 of 231
I have not kept caught up with this thread at all. Zeta, I noticed today that you were the last one to post, so I hopped on to check it out. I'm glad I did. I remember when you met him! Congratulations. I am so very happy for you. I wish you all the best and more! Big hugs.
post #151 of 231
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I wonder if maybe he doesn't think you're going to come around?!
He called me today to ask if we could meet up and hang out. I asked what the deal was, since I thought we had mutually decided that this wasn't going to work, but he did say that he needed some time to think, and I wanted to hear him out. He said he decided he wants to get to know me better. But with no kissing, and since I told him before that if there was no kissing, there would be no boyfriend/girlfriend, then I guess we wouldn't be boyfriend/girlfriend. And how do you just "hang out" with someone, with all the kids together, and just pretend like you weren't in love three days ago?

I told him that that was called being friends. And that in the future, you really shouldn't tell someone you're in love with them, and a week later tell them that you don't want to kiss anymore, but you do want to spend time with them to get to know them better. It goes the other way around.

He also did something with his daughter this morning that I am still flabbergasted about, and I figured that was a sign that this wasn't all it seemed to be. He let his daughter's mother have a visit with her all day today (which is NOT how the judge ordered it), at the mother's parents' house. The mother called him a couple of hours into it to inform him that his daughter had head lice and he needed to bring over a treatment for it. He called to tell me to check my kids, since I watched his DD on Thursday, and I asked why she couldn't go get the treatment for it. The mother still doesn't have a license or a car. The only other person there was the mother's father, who was already drinking at 10am. With a three year old there, who hasn't seen either of them in months. (FTR, the mother was supposed to go to AA as ordered by the judge, and hasn't. She was caught doing drugs in the past couple of weeks. The judge ordered visitation only if the grandmother was there, and she is out of town.)

I about threw my phone out the window. I told him that if something happened to his DD, what were they going to do? He was like, 'Nothing is going to happen to her.' (Said to me, someone who left her kid to go to the dentist and came back to a dead child. That was tactful.) And let's traumatize the poor kid with a whole lice treatment, given by a woman she hasn't seen in three months, rather than taking her home, letting someone she trusts do it, and doing the visits the way the judge ordered it. What. the. F.

Zeta - it was a good experience, it was nice to know that there are men out there who still do the romance thing and can make me feel special. I've decided to take it for what it's worth, and go back to not looking.

And congrats on the engagement!

Butterflymom - have fun tonight, and keep us updated on Tall Dutchboy!!
post #152 of 231
Zeta, congratulations!

ABMS, how old is he? Is he young, or has he just never had to grow up? Flabbergasted is an excellent choice of words; I can't think of another one that fits! Just...he's endangering his daughter so much. There's never going to be a good excuse for that. Any of it. I can't pick out a single aspect of what you've described that isn't totally whacked. Poor girl.

You seem to be handling yourself very well, though. Honestly, were I you, I would minimize contact as much as is practical. I have male friends, more male than female IRL, and normally I'd be all over keeping a fizzled boyfriend as a friend, but it looks like he's going to want you to join the group of women who take care of him, and you really don't need that.
post #153 of 231
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normally I'd be all over keeping a fizzled boyfriend as a friend, but it looks like he's going to want you to join the group of women who take care of him, and you really don't need that.
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And congratulations, Zeta!!!!!!!!



Tall Dutchboy lives in Amsterdam. But will see him on wednesday....


Last night was absolutely amazing. I orchestrated, just spontaneously got the idea to do so a few hours beforehand and went about it last minute, a whole group of friends to meet in a chill, happenin' lounge/winebar (actually last night it was THE place to be in this city), and we totally took over the entire center of the room (funny because the room was packed, but my group was in the very center a
nd eyes were on us, like "who is this huge group and what makes them so special???"), six couches, two dozen people, and I was the MC of the evening, melding four groups of friends into one big happy event, and just shmoozing and making sure everyone was having a blast and getting a chance to know each other (who didn't know each other previously), and meeting a few new people as well (three of my girlfriends brought a girl or two with them who I had never met, and now I have four new female friends who I had an amazing time with...my social network just keeps on widening, exponentially). I just love being the center of things, the ringleader of fun. I think I happily suffer from a diva complex. I wore a sparkly white skintight dress that's longer in the back than in the front (that somehow creates a jaw-dropping effect when I put it on), red lipstick and the brightest smile in the room.

My social networking not entirely narcisistic and self-serving; I've done a brilliant job of creating (well, instigating) so many friendships between my mutual friends and I just looooove seeing that happen. It's great.
Smoothie was there, as part of things, and I totally don't mind becoming pals with him now. Do any of ya'll remember the tall handsome friend of Smooth & Witty's, six months ago, who at a dinner party very obviously fell in love with me on first glance and kept mooning over me all night? Well he's been my friend (we hung out all day once, as pals) now, even though I never see Smoothie anymore, and it actually wasn't weird at all to have him and Smoothie and another one of their mutual friends, all together with me and thirteen of my girlfriends (both old and newly made ones) and five guy friends. It was a success. I seem to be incapable of acting/feeling 'weird' with practically anyone, and people seem to be incapable of feeling weird when I'm in the room, too. I'm like a social awkwardness-zapper. I love it.

But I was so busy being the mistress of ceremonies and flitting around from sub-group to sub-group of my mega group, that I forgot to scope for handsome men. Oh well! :
post #154 of 231
Sagesgirl - he's turning 35 in a few weeks. I DID resolve to date older men (I'm 28), but I guess maybe I need to resolve to meet older and more MATURE men.

Butterflymom - sounds like so much fun!

Some (gasp! gay!) friends of mine - actually the ones I was talking about in the other thread - invited me to a get together at their house last night. Potluck Mexican with margaritas provided...and I'm not one to turn that down. I didn't know anyone there (other than the girls who invited me, obviously), three other married couples and their kids, and I had an absolute blast, and now have a wider circle of friends as well. In fact, we had a whole discussion on Moniker-less and the issue that killed us (the joke that, "What are they going to do? Dry hump in front of us?" has kind of stuck, and every time I saw my friends together and we'd make eye contact, one would turn to the other in hysterical fake dry humping.) and it was SO nice to sit in a room and have a conversation about the Bible and God and whatever and have it not be about yelling, just about sharing ideas and opinions instead of just one person being "right", and being able to laugh and have a good time. (No, we didn't spend all night talking Bible, but the fact that it can be talked about and discussed and not be 100% of the conversation was nice, because I feel like it's all I've been talking about for a week!)

We all already made plans to get together once a month for dinner parties with a theme. And I sat there and kept thinking, 'There's NO WAY I would have been able to bring him to something like this,' which kind of solidifies the decision to end it. I think that's going to be my new barometer...if I can bring a man to a party with a gay couple, where we can have a couple of drinks, laugh, tell stories, and be mutually respectable.
post #155 of 231
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Well, I rarely post because I've been dating the same guy for nearly two years now, but wanted to announce we're engaged. We definitely have our issues, but many strengths going for us, like a willingness on both sides to keep talking when there's been a problem, until it's all the way resolved. We've started premarital counseling to shore up our skills and help us strategize as we blend our families. He's more than I would have thought to ask for, had i been designing a sweetheart.
Wow - Zeta - Congratulations. I'm so happy for you. How wonderful!
post #156 of 231
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Sagesgirl - he's turning 35 in a few weeks. I DID resolve to date older men (I'm 28), but I guess maybe I need to resolve to meet older and more MATURE men.
Oh, honey, my ex-husband is 36 (I'm almost 30), and he still metaphorically wants me to wipe his behind for him! That's one reason I'm so happy to be talking to a 42-year-old. By that age, the men and the boys have separated themselves fully.


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In fact, we had a whole discussion on Moniker-less and the issue that killed us (the joke that, "What are they going to do? Dry hump in front of us?" has kind of stuck, and every time I saw my friends together and we'd make eye contact, one would turn to the other in hysterical fake dry humping.)
That is funny.

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think that's going to be my new barometer...if I can bring a man to a party with a gay couple, where we can have a couple of drinks, laugh, tell stories, and be mutually respectable.
That's actually my big litmus test. You gotta be down with the gays. If me & Warrior_Deluxe make it to his homecoming, he's going to have to prove he can handle himself on the St. Mary's Strip.

Butterflymom, I am glad you had such a great time. I definitely could not deal with so many people at once. I am far too shy. How are plans for your birthday party coming? I think it's funny our birthdays are so close; I think they're within a week of each other!
post #157 of 231
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Oh, honey, my ex-husband is 36 (I'm almost 30), and he still metaphorically wants me to wipe his behind for him! That's one reason I'm so happy to be talking to a 42-year-old. By that age, the men and the boys have separated themselves fully.
Gotcha. Going to keep that one close.

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That's actually my big litmus test. You gotta be down with the gays. If me & Warrior_Deluxe make it to his homecoming, he's going to have to prove he can handle himself on the St. Mary's Strip.
See, but the drinking (gasp!) and the telling stories that don't all necessarily (or most, actually) revolve around God (gasp!), none of that would have flown with him. And I sat around thinking about what a good time I was having, and what a good time I WOULDN'T have had if he was there, and actually, how embarrassing it would have been to be with him.

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Butterflymom, I am glad you had such a great time. I definitely could not deal with so many people at once. I am far too shy. How are plans for your birthday party coming?
I was wondering about this too! And is Tall Dutch going to be invited? (Or has he been invited already?)
post #158 of 231
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See, but the drinking (gasp!) and the telling stories that don't all necessarily (or most, actually) revolve around God (gasp!), none of that would have flown with him. And I sat around thinking about what a good time I was having, and what a good time I WOULDN'T have had if he was there, and actually, how embarrassing it would have been to be with him.
See, I have gone out to lunch with people from church before, directly after the service, in order to work on planning the Christmas Eve service, and still all our talk did not revolve around God (and this includes the priest). It is a very fine line to walk between devout and obsessed, isn't it?

And really, it's a meta-issue that a guy will have to get along with your friends. I'm going to be a lot more worried about that this time around. And said friends know they're under penalty of a beat-down if they hear warning bells and don't let me in on it!

Hopefully you will meet someone who's grown up and yet fun.
post #159 of 231
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I was wondering about this too! And is Tall Dutch going to be invited? (Or has he been invited already?)

My birthday party plans are going amazingly well. It's snowballing into what will be an absolutely huge shebang. I really, really want DanishMom to be there........ and Josybear and Hollycrand and sugarmoon and you and sagesgirl and all of you guys! I'm tempted to start dating millionaire guy again, for all the airfare. Tall Dutchboy lives in another city, in another country. I think after Wednesday, it might be that it's a long time until he will be in town again. Who knows. Let's see.....
post #160 of 231
My daughter & I just went away for a mini-vacation and I did not have internet so I am just catching up now.....

Welcome to the dating thread CanidFL I am hopeful that when toy are ready to date you enjoy the journey not just the end result. One thing I have learned from reading these threads is that a great deal comes out of the journey of dating.

YoginiSarah I could be completely off base but it doesn't seem like you are into Single Dad it seems you are going thru the motions.... it makes me wonder "why" is she going thru the motions, is it because it's easy to date him due to the kids, is she lonely and he is filling a void, etc. I am sure you can have your pick of men so why Single Dad? Also while I am understanding of hanging out and making out I would not personally do that with my daughter along because of the potential emotional confusion and upset on her. I know others feel more free with including their kids but I am (half) conservative on that item..... at least at this point and I know others on here feel differently.

So Hollycrand do you think Swimming Guy and you are just enjoying your time together or are you looking for more? It seems like you are spending a good amount of time with eachother what are your hopes, intentions, etc. with Swimming Guy. Are you exclusive with eachother? And I know SGC seemed like a lost cause but has he stayed in touch on a friendly level at all?

I have had a few nights like your Thursday night and know that something was just "off" that night Butterflymom it is not you! It sounds like your town is too small for you and like you need a city --- my city is accepting new residents --- Anyway I am sorry GA has fallen short I agree he has had far too many passes for this to be so early in the relationship. I am not completely sold on him being not into you but rather his world does not require him to make advance plans and he is not considerate / sensitive to your need to make plans in advance. I *hate* this quality in people and try my best to avoid them especially now that I am a mom. Given your situation and the two of your chemistry I would have assumed he would have dropped all his friends to see you but it's his loss.... onto Tall Dutch which will hopefully realize what a gem you are!

Wow I was not expecting that kind of update AlwaysByMySide I thought you and Moniker-less had a good thing going. While I do agree that as a society we should be accepting of others and while I support people marrying whom they love regardless of gender, race, etc and I live in a very liberal area my reality is my daughter will experience the two mommy / two daddy home thru society, her friends, etc. and I honestly meditate on how I personally want to approach the subject with my daughter and also share my views with her. In the situation with Moniker-less there is 1) his daughter having (or possibly having thru you) friends who have two mommies and how he can make personal peace with and address it with his dd and 2) his position or desired position in the church --- even if he was on the fence it is a hard issue to address (both internally and externally) when it's such a hot button issue in his line of work. I think how he articulated the difference of views as well as giving him time to let the shock wear off and then re-articulate his views is key. And I also think it is ok to disagree on certain items and still be in a healthy relationship as long as both parties are respectful of the other and their views. I'm not taking up for him but saying it is not always simple in subject matter.

Let's see Holland73 I guess I like them tall but not extremely tall. I am 5'4" and I want to be able to give my sweetie a kiss without concern even in flats. But the men in my family are all about 6' (or slightly below) and about 160 - 190 lbs each so I don't want a man that will be tiny when side by side with the other men in my life!

Tilia sorry about the breakup I think it is rude the way he ended things but there are others out there!
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