My doctor's advice

[zachattack]

The ped. for our son is not a pro vaccine- crazy.
He advised a few shots that we are not comfortable with- ie. polio and mmr. Sadly, our son will have to go to day care at 10 weeks. the doctor suggests having dtap, prevnar and hib. He said prevnar can help with reducing bacteria w. swine flu...??????

Also he said that he suggests hib and dtap for kids in daycare.
He wants to give them both at 2 months. We will not give 2 shots in one visit.
There are many vax we will not give...hep a and b mmr for atleast 3 years no chicken pox no roto

however we are still considering hib and dtap. by the way , our son is getting our 30 percent of his feeding from breast milk. this is not from lack of effort.
The doc. said he will support us in our decision. we selected him bec. we didn't want to go to an office that is run like a vax. factory.....we like and respect him...anyway

[Mama Lo]

I agree with you not giving two shots in one visit.
I heard from a few people that went to the DAN(Defeat Autism Now) conference this year that it doesn't work to give infants vaccinations because their immune systems are not mature enough to respond to the vax. Something to think about as far as starting at 2 mo.....

[Marnica]

My son is 15 months old and has been in daycare since he was 12 weeks old...unvaxed.

He is suggesting the Dtap because of pertussis...this vaccine is highly reactive and ineffective IMO. Invasive HIB is very rare....Prevnar preventing secondary bacteria from swine flu?? WTF? I would ask him to show you any documented evidence of this..he won't be able to.

[zachattack]

Regarding prevnar and swine flu - he said if our son were to get swine flu-not too likely - that prevnar would protect him from getting a bad case...seems weird, right

[jeliphish]

is there research backing that Dtap is highly reactive? links please...

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by jeliphish

is there research backing that Dtap is highly reactive? links please...

yes there is a lot...I do not have the time to post them however (all my stuff is on my home computer. I basically go online at work because when it is slow that is the only time I have anymore. No time at home..DS is way to active nowadays)...maybe someone else does. Check out the archives as well.

[MountainMamaGC]

Originally Posted by jeliphish

is there research backing that Dtap is highly reactive? links please...

Dr Sears puts the DTaP at the top of the list in terms of vaccine reactions. Its in The Vaccine Book.

[2boyzmama]

Originally Posted by zachattack

Regarding prevnar and swine flu - he said if our son were to get swine flu-not too likely - that prevnar would protect him from getting a bad case...seems weird, right

Hmm...I haven't heard this, but on some level, it *could* make some sense. Let me explain before you attack me

Viruses are known to cause secondary bacterial infections. Prevnar protects against specific bacteria that lead to pneumonias, meningitis, and ear infections. All three of those illnesses are common secondary illnesses from viral infections.

HOWEVER, the logic only works if there's proof that the *specific* strains protected against in the Prevnar vaccine are the ones that are most common secondary to H1N1 infection. We have several months now of infection history, has anyone compiled what specific secondary bacterial infections were showing up most often?

If that information hasn't been gathered, then your dr is drawing conclusions based off of potential and not actual fact. I'd definitely ask him where he's getting that information, also ask about the strains NOT covered in the vaccine, ask if those strains are showing up secondary to H1N1 infection, because that would be one more example of serotype replacement, which is the big problem with that vaccine.

[mamakah]

If someone asked me:
"What shots would you absolutely not give your 2 month old?"
I would say:
DTaP
Hib
Prevnar
The DTaP scares me just as much if not more than the MMR. I'm one of those that strongly believes that the DTaP has some role to play in SIDS (It is stated that the risk of SIDS is highest between 2-4months, which "coincidently" is right when we start injecting these little ones with the most insane toxins). My dhs older sister died of SIDS and I feel that if vaccines do play a role, then there may be a genetic predisposition for the extreme reaction in our family. I would do a lot of research before even considering these shots. Prevnar scares me because it is so new. It was easy for me to refuse hib because 1. I EBF my son and 2. noone in my generation or the generations before me were vaxed for it and the first and only time I ever heard of it was when I was handed a vaccine schedule. I figured since I didn't ever hear or know of a single person who was sick or died from it, then I probably don't need to risk giving the shot to my ds.

[listipton]

One thing to keep in mind about hib too is that it is one of the shots that is 'recommended' only when they have enough vaxes to go around. Otherwise the story is usually that it's not super necessary. No one in my generation had the hib shot and miraculously, we're all still here....
"If someone asked me:
"What shots would you absolutely not give your 2 month old?"
I would say:
DTaP
Hib
Prevnar"
I agree with this. My children would/will not have these.

[Emmeline II]

I'm not sure how old your son is, but the Hib vaccine seems to have only contributed in a reduction in the 2-3yr age range. And I'll give a h*ll no! to DTaP.

I wouldn't be fooled by a ped "only" recommending a couple of vaccines; he just sees an "in". That is how my first child ended up with DTaP and Prevenar at 4months .

[Jayray]

The Dr. Sear's Vaccine book put the DTaP as the third LEAST reactive after HIB and polio (pg. 186). Nowhere does he say it's the most reactive/dangerous.

[LisaSedai]

My doctor was not vaccine pushy but he also suggested hib and DTaP. DS didn't go to daycare so he was 6 months before he got a DTaP & hib shot. We didn't have any problems - he's had 3 DTaP's but only one hib.