Would you consider taking part in a vaccine study?

[hollytheteacher]

I'm curious if anyone here would? The local college of medicine near my house is giving people 1,050 dollars if they will come get a vaccine (one dose only) for an "in the works" against "dagnue fever" vaccine (or something like that lol). I don't have the paper in front of me.

As much as i'm NOT okay with vaxing my ds on schedule, i'm half-concidering doing it myself since it is only one shot and the money sounds good

Of course the other half of me is like, ew no way there is probably a bunch of nasty crap in it...

hmmm wwyd?

[philomom]

Not unless I was actually starving. And maybe not even then.

[carriebft]

For me, I think my thought process would be:

-is the vaccine something I feel is important?
-what do the pre-human and phase I human clincal trials look like/results? (I assume this is phase II or higher with the high price)
-is it live or dead? (would affect how I felt about having kids at home/nursing/infant/etc)

I know there would be more but this is what jumps into my head immediately.

[fruitfulmomma]

Absolutely not!

[Marnica]

Um....no...freakin.....way.............

[Tofu the Geek]

Never.

[HisBeautifulWife]

Tempting but not really.

There's a reason they are willing to pay that fee....siiiiideeee effeeecccts.

[2boyzmama]

It's Dengue Fever

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue_fever

[2boyzmama]

I've heard of it before, on some "medical mystery" special about an outbreak on some island somewhere (how's that for non-specificity!!! ) Interesting how the first link I find (wikipedia) says that it's epidemic in 100 countries, yet it's a disease we in this country hardly hear about???

Makes you wonder why H1N1 was cast as such an evil monster so early... Oops, off topic

I think, if I were to consider taking part in any kind of trial, I'd consider the following:

1. Are you done having children? I woudln't risk my reproductive health for a trial of a vaccine for an illness not rampant in this country.

2. Is information available on the other phases of the clinical trials? Animal studies? I'd definitely SCOUR them!!

3. I'd read all the fine print, it's not just the $1050 now, if there are any side effects either immediately or in the future, does the study provide medical coverage for life? I wouldn't risk my family's financial stability.

4. And as horrible as it is to consider, could your family go on without you in the rare event that you had a life-threatening reaction? I.e. are your children older, more self-sufficient, your husband/partner able to pick up the slack, etc? I would never do something like that while my children are very young (the same goes for other dangerous activities I might otherwise love to do, sky diving is on hold for me until the boys are older )

[SilverMoon010]

Absolutley no way!!! Not even for a million dollars. No amount of money is enough for possible permanent damage to my body with that crap!

[Ruthla]

My body is already damaged enough. I won't even consent to "routine" vaccines such as the DTaP booster or a flu vaccine, as I don't feel they've been proven safe.

No way would I consider an experimental vaccine.

Yes, the money is tempting, but it's also a red flag. For something relatively safe, many people would be happy just to get the vaccine for free, or for a small stipend to cover their time. If they're paying over a thousand dollars, are they hiding something? Expecting dangerous side effects?

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by 2boyzmama

I've heard of it before, on some "medical mystery" special about an outbreak on some island somewhere (how's that for non-specificity!!! ) Interesting how the first link I find (wikipedia) says that it's epidemic in 100 countries, yet it's a disease we in this country hardly hear about???

Makes you wonder why H1N1 was cast as such an evil monster so early... Oops, off topic

I think, if I were to consider taking part in any kind of trial, I'd consider the following:

1. Are you done having children? I woudln't risk my reproductive health for a trial of a vaccine for an illness not rampant in this country.

2. Is information available on the other phases of the clinical trials? Animal studies? I'd definitely SCOUR them!!

3. I'd read all the fine print, it's not just the $1050 now, if there are any side effects either immediately or in the future, does the study provide medical coverage for life? I wouldn't risk my family's financial stability.

4. And as horrible as it is to consider, could your family go on without you in the rare event that you had a life-threatening reaction? I.e. are your children older, more self-sufficient, your husband/partner able to pick up the slack, etc? I would never do something like that while my children are very young (the same goes for other dangerous activities I might otherwise love to do, sky diving is on hold for me until the boys are older )

we don't hear about it here because it is a disease that is common in tropical climates...if they do come up with a vaccine it won't ever be on the schedule here...it will be reccomemded for travel to certain areas..like the typhoid or yellow fever vaccine. My friend had dengue fever...got it in Costa Rica. It was horrible and very painful, but he recovered just fine with no lasting effects.

[ammiga]

Of course there's a bunch of nasty crap in it, there's a bunch of nasty crap in all vaccines.

If you aren't opposed to injecting that stuff into yourself or your child, I don't think this is much different than any jab you get at the doctor. Once it hits this stage, it's probably going to be approved. Doesn't mean it won't get pulled after it damages countless children, adults, and elderly people.

And the warnings/pre-studies are no different with this than any other vax. Do you look into those too? And the package inserts? People may or may not read the package insert, ignore the warnings, and if something bad happens either act like they had no idea it could happen or deny it had anything to do with the vax.

But all the risks are there with all vaxes, no matter what stage they are in. The long term effects are never studied or acknowledged, so don't even look for those.

[Cristiaz]

Ask the people who tested the AIDS vaccine that are now HIV positive and see what they say. I think that spells out my answer.

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by carriebft

For me, I think my thought process would be:

-is the vaccine something I feel is important?
-what do the pre-human and phase I human clincal trials look like/results? (I assume this is phase II or higher with the high price)
-is it live or dead? (would affect how I felt about having kids at home/nursing/infant/etc)

I know there would be more but this is what jumps into my head immediately.

i wonder if they'd let you know that if you're a study subject. It kind of kills the "double blind" part, no?

ETA... that is, if you believe the vaccine works because of prior trials, won't it affect you with a greater placebo effect? Likewise, if prior trials went not-so-well, wouldn't it influence you the other way? That's part of the point of double blind placebo trials, I thought...

[carriebft]

Not all trials are double blind

example:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/N...rm=dtap&rank=1 (just the first link I saw when searching DtaP)

Phase I is usually the double blind placebo controlled one; I assume with the price here we are not talking phase I. not that that is a solid rule--

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/N...accine&rank=28 (phase II double blind placebo controlled rotavirus study)

but it seems most of the time that a lot of phase II and III are single blind.

[newmum35]

ABsolutely not. I would like to say not even for a million dollars. But I suppose if I was dying anyway or I had NO children or family who needed me, then I'd consider it (for a million that is) and then I'd donate it to a worthy cause- like educating people about the true colors of Big Pharma, the close ties between them and the government and how unnecessary vaccines really are for most people (not to mention quite dangerous for some as well). I'd never consider it or bat an eye over a thousand or even 50 thousand.

[Sheryl1678]

Never, ever. Not in a million, not for a million.

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by carriebft

Not all trials are double blind

example:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/N...rm=dtap&rank=1 (just the first link I saw when searching DtaP)

Phase I is usually the double blind placebo controlled one; I assume with the price here we are not talking phase I. not that that is a solid rule--

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/N...accine&rank=28 (phase II double blind placebo controlled rotavirus study)

but it seems most of the time that a lot of phase II and III are single blind.

Interesting. I was not overly clear on how vaccine trials work. Still seems like it would throw the results. Huh.

[mamadelbosque]

Nope. No freaking way.