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post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
Yasko is the one to look at first there, but I'm not sure if she's actually done a study or published anything.

Methyl folate might be strong stuff, so some might want to take it slow, and it requires B12 for absorption - so if you're low on B12/stomach acid, then folic acid might be better until you get that corrected.

There's a study somewhere about overmethylation due to too much folate causing asthma and associated issues. It had something to do with turning off the gene that turns off asthma, I think. And I *thought* it was humans...
I don't think I could overmethylate DS if I tried, but I plan to take it slow. B12, folate, and TMG (all methylation supps) are the recommended course of action to "chelate" his high antimony (I use quotes, because I think in this case they are just supporting the body's own natural chelation). So it has pushed methylation back onto the front burner for me. I got a sublingual B12 - he's still going to swallow most of it though. I think his stomach acid is doing better though - his poops are WAY different - dark brown and no food bits. My Thorne folate is is the mail. I'll add it slowly, thanks for that reminder.

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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
I'm a card carrying member of the Folate Fan Club.

There is an 'upper limit' for folic acid supplementation, I read 1000mcg. Except for dh's high homocysteine they prescribed 4mg, iirc.

Pat
The "chelation" protocol calls for 10mcg/lb of kid, spread out in 3-4 doses over the day. So that sounded pretty reasonable to me.

And after our kefir miracle, I'm taking a very close look at anything you are a fan of .

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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
whoMe says it's a kind of folate (back in Chat), even a kind that's in food.
Yeah, but I thought I was getting folate!!! Anyhow, a naturally occurring form always seems like the smarter supp to me. I'm working on the assumption that anything that requires "conversion" by DS' enzymes is prone to not getting used very well...

I ordered some Thorne folate powder though - I want to start getting some of his own stuff into DS where I can, instead of assuming he will nurse forever.
post #22 of 35
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Hey CS, could more folate help your daughter?


Pat
post #23 of 35
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All of these diseases are associated with folate deficiency and the MTHFR gene:

Downs syndrome, blood clots, cardiovascular disease, chronic fatigue, IBS, anxiety, fibromyalgia, depression, migraines, strokes, homocysteine, dementia, schizophrenia, nerve pain, Parkinson, miscarriage, infertility, Alzheimers, non-Hodkins lymphoma, gastric cancer, kidney failure, addiction, alcoholicsm, obesity, heavy metals, diabetes, Leiden Factor V, OCD, bipolar, aggression, liver dsyfunction, renal dysfunction, pulmorary fibrosis, autism, breast cancer, colorectal cancer, adenoma, endometrial cancer, lung cancer, spina bifida, neural tube defects, preeclampsia, placental abruption, hypothyroid, psoriasis, etc.



Pat
post #24 of 35
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Hide the Liver!

Liver is HIGH in folate.

For our "giblet gravy", I pureed the liver in broth in the blender. Totally invisible liver, no bits, no weird stuff to bite into, no bites of LIVER flavor to happen upon. Just pureed liver broth to add to the gravy. I'm going to do this weekly.


Pat
post #25 of 35
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
Liver is HIGH in folate.

For our "giblet gravy", I pureed the liver in broth in the blender. Totally invisible liver, no bits, no weird stuff to bite into, no bites of LIVER flavor to happen upon. Just pureed liver broth to add to the gravy. I'm going to do this weekly.


Pat
What a great idea. Now if I could only figure out which one was the liver that I took out of the turkey....
post #26 of 35
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What a great idea. Now if I could only figure out which one was the liver that I took out of the turkey....
Soft, squishy dark red, sorta flat and lobe shaped is the liver. The prune-sized thing is the heart (soft). The hard thing that is connected to another hard thing is the gizzard, I believe.


Pat
post #27 of 35
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
I haven't seen any evidence linking autism and MTHFR variations, but I do know often autistic kids have methylation issues.
Found these studies related to MTHFR polymorphism and autism.

http://www.jpands.org/vol9no4/boris.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19455642
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/584398_7
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...95065/abstract





Pat
post #28 of 35
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Originally Posted by mamafish9
I ordered some Thorne folate powder though - I want to start getting some of his own stuff into DS where I can, instead of assuming he will nurse forever.
Do you have a link? Or is the capsule able to be opened and pour out the folate powder? I want to get more into ds.


Pat
post #29 of 35
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
Liver is HIGH in folate.

For our "giblet gravy", I pureed the liver in broth in the blender. Totally invisible liver, no bits, no weird stuff to bite into, no bites of LIVER flavor to happen upon. Just pureed liver broth to add to the gravy. I'm going to do this weekly.
My grandmother always did this on Thanksgiving--she actually would simmer the neck, liver, heart (and whatever else is there?) for over an hour, then take out the neck, dice up the rest very fine (blender is even better) and add it all to the pan drippings to make a really yummy gravy! I never knew...Totally need to try this regularly!
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post #31 of 35
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Do you have a link? Or is the capsule able to be opened and pour out the folate powder? I want to get more into ds.


Pat
Thorne's 5-MTHF:

http://www.naturamart.com/thorne-res...-capsules.html

And their Folacal (folinic acid):

http://www.naturamart.com/thorne-res...-capsules.html
post #32 of 35
o.k., so I'd like to start supplementing with folate for 2 of my kids with allergies and the baby with down syndrome and me.
I don't know which one.....I was looking at both from thorne's and also how much would I give them??
should I ask the dr. to check ds's folate, homocytein levels ?( ds with down syn)
how do I check for mthfr? homocystein levels for me ?is their a test I can order online?
I don't have ins. right now so if I don't have to pay a dr. and can order atest myself....all the better.
post #33 of 35
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Originally Posted by mombh View Post
o.k., so I'd like to start supplementing with folate for 2 of my kids with allergies and the baby with down syndrome and me.
I don't know which one.....I was looking at both from thorne's and also how much would I give them??
should I ask the dr. to check ds's folate, homocytein levels ?( ds with down syn)
how do I check for mthfr? homocystein levels for me ?is their a test I can order online?
I don't have ins. right now so if I don't have to pay a dr. and can order atest myself....all the better.
Checking folate and homocysteine levels might tell you something if they're out of range, but my folate levels were firmly within range even though I saw a huge difference by supplementing folate (and then they went to the high end of the range)

MTHFR is a gene test. My insurance covered it, but it was on the order of $1000. If you wanted to go your own route, 23andme tests a huge number of genes, MTHFR included, but you might get more information than you bargained for (they test things like the breast cancer gene and other disease things as well). They're about $500. There's also Yasko's gene test, but I think it's considerably more expensive for less information.

As far as folate dosage, I'd start in the range of the RDA, watch for changes, and play around with higher or lower until you find something that seems right.
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