Dumb comment of the day

[D'sMama]

I was talking to another mom today who has a 10 month old boy. He had oral surgery to remove some kind of lump in his mouth that wasn't going away.

She said: "People say babies don't remember pain, but he remembered! His circumcision, though - he wouldn't remember that since he was only 2 days old. But this, he'll remember!"

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Ironically, years from now, the surgery he "doesn't remember" will be the one that's still affecting his life. (FTR, she didn't do it for religious reasons. I don't know why she did.)

[PuppyFluffer]

I fully believe that babies remember circumcision.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

I do to Puppy. Every single thing that happens to us through our life from the time our brain forms until the day we die I firmly believe is stored in our brains. Not having a conscious memory of it makes no difference it affects who we are and will become.

[Minarai]

Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer

I fully believe that babies remember circumcision.

In one way or another.
They can't see what's going on, but they can hear voices, smell smells and, of course, feel pain.

[BamaDude]

Originally Posted by Minarai

In one way or another.
They can't see what's going on, but they can hear voices, smell smells and, of course, feel pain.

Plus they'll have a circumcision scar and a distinct lack of foreskin to remind them should they ever forget.

[MommytoB]

Most of the time whenever I'm around a kid who gets hurt and is a boy . They let out a Huge screeching, panic , screaming cry and with brendan when he did get hurt his cry was more of a 'relaxed' but still sad, scared cry . Now kids his age still have the screaming cry when they get hurt but he's like I'm okay momma or if he's not he will say momma kiss my owie.

I wonder if everytime a kid got a pain would remember their pain from their circumcision cause them to really overreact to the now pain ?

[phatchristy]

Originally Posted by MommytoB

Most of the time whenever I'm around a kid who gets hurt and is a boy . They let out a Huge screeching, panic , screaming cry and with brendan when he did get hurt his cry was more of a 'relaxed' but still sad, scared cry . Now kids his age still have the screaming cry when they get hurt but he's like I'm okay momma or if he's not he will say momma kiss my owie.

I wonder if everytime a kid got a pain would remember their pain from their circumcision cause them to really overreact to the now pain ?

There have been studies showing that the pain of curcumcision DOES affect their response to painful stimuli afterwards. They definitely appear to have a greater response to pain if they've been circumcised.

Another thing I've noticed, all the moms who seem to 'insist' that their boy babies were so different from thier girl babies seem to be circumcised. And, I'm talking as babies. Honestly, as a mom to all intact kiddos both girls and boys I don't see much of a gender difference until a couple of years. Just speculation on this one. No doubt the moms I know who had it done to their boys had little boys who had a tremendous amount of pain/discomfort and that would alter their potential to be happy contented babies.

[phatchristy]

Originally Posted by BamaDude

Plus they'll have a circumcision scar and a distinct lack of foreskin to remind them should they ever forget.

It most definitely alters things permanently, even if they don't realize it.

I've had my experiences here with someone who had a typical midwestern tight circ and thought discomfort, skin splitting apart, injuries during masturbation were all 'normal' parts of being a man.

[knucklehead]

Originally Posted by MommytoB

Most of the time whenever I'm around a kid who gets hurt and is a boy . They let out a Huge screeching, panic , screaming cry and with brendan when he did get hurt his cry was more of a 'relaxed' but still sad, scared cry . Now kids his age still have the screaming cry when they get hurt but he's like I'm okay momma or if he's not he will say momma kiss my owie.

I wonder if everytime a kid got a pain would remember their pain from their circumcision cause them to really overreact to the now pain ?

I'm not sure about this. My intact son screams like a hyena whenever he gets hurt. I think he could shatter glass. I have heard, however, about the studies that show circ'd babies have lower pain thresholds than intact ones.

[Fyrestorm]

I just posted a few days ago in another thread, studies showing that cortisol levels go up during circumcision and don't return to base levels for weeks, possibly months.

Mind you this is happening in the very early newborn stage when the brain is still trying to make all the connections. Anyone who thinks this has no long term effects on behavior and neurodevelopement is seriously deceiving themselves.

[tlh]

A few of the studies on circumcision pain


Study shows that infants feel and remember circumcision pain


http://www.sickkids.ca/aboutsickkids...sion-pain.html


Circumcision study halted due to trauma


http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9712/23/ci...on.anesthetic/



Study supports easing circumcision pain


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Study+...pain-a06519277

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by tlh

Study supports easing circumcision pain


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Study+...pain-a06519277

Too bad they didn't include intact babies in this study to show crying time and cortisol levels on a true control group.

[Rachhcar]

Would you all then believe that babies are traumatized by birth, as well?

That's a pretty huge traumatic event. Every one of them comes out screaming and crying!

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by Rachhcar

Would you all then believe that babies are traumatized by birth, as well?

That's a pretty huge traumatic event. Every one of them comes out screaming and crying!

By medicalized intervention heavy hospital birth? YES!

By a peaceful intervention free birth? NO

Have you seen videos of home water births...the babies in most cases are NOT crying...they seem very peaceful.

Either way, it's no excuse to heap on more trauma!

Let's see, I accidentally cut myself with a sharp knife. It's traumatic...should I then go slam it in a car door for fun?

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

I do think birth is traumatic in a way but it is a way nature intended it to be. While circ is in no way shape or form natural.

There is a huge difference between the births I have watched online between the reaction of a baby born in the hospital with lots of pulling and tugging to the babies born where no one touches them until they are sliding out.

[Beating Earth]

Originally Posted by Rachhcar

Would you all then believe that babies are traumatized by birth, as well?

That's a pretty huge traumatic event. Every one of them comes out screaming and crying!

My daughter didn't make a sound when she was born. She just, kinda looked at us, LOL

[SunShineSally]

Originally Posted by MommytoB

Most of the time whenever I'm around a kid who gets hurt and is a boy . They let out a Huge screeching, panic , screaming cry and with brendan when he did get hurt his cry was more of a 'relaxed' but still sad, scared cry . Now kids his age still have the screaming cry when they get hurt but he's like I'm okay momma or if he's not he will say momma kiss my owie.

I wonder if everytime a kid got a pain would remember their pain from their circumcision cause them to really overreact to the now pain ?

That would make sense I believe that is what happens to Ds I actually said something along those lines to a friend of mine! My ds when he gets a cut mostly he will literally act as though he has been beaten and hold the area and shake even though it may be a tiny scratch! poor boy maybe if the hospital didn't circ him with out my consent he may not get nutty when he gets a cut!

[SunShineSally]

Originally Posted by Rachhcar

Would you all then believe that babies are traumatized by birth, as well?

That's a pretty huge traumatic event. Every one of them comes out screaming and crying!

Of course it is, it is the most traumatic event in everyones life. Ds did not come out screaming though. He was also a hospital birth but he only whined a little then just wide eyed looked at everything he actually didn't cry hard for about 4 days but made up for it for 2 days

[Belle]

Originally Posted by Rachhcar

Would you all then believe that babies are traumatized by birth, as well?

That's a pretty huge traumatic event. Every one of them comes out screaming and crying!

Dd1 was born in a hospital. She didn't cry at first. She just looked around peacefully and took things in. Because of this she was torn from my arms and traumatized until she did.

Dd2 was born at home. She, like her sister, didn't cry. Unlike her sister, she wasn't forced to.

Perhaps this is why Dd1 is a very needy child and Dd2 is pretty mellow.

[MaryJaneLouise]

My DP remembers his newborn genital mutilation