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Just had my first appointment at the UW today...

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So we got up in time to make it to the Bainbridge Island Ferry to get on the 9:40AM, but there was a LOOOOOOOOOONG line and we didn't make it on that ferry and had to wait for the 10:25AM... so I was almost 30 minutes late for my 11AM appointment.... but it was ok, because they were running behind.

So I got all checked in and started to fill out the MASSIVE amount of paperwork they gave me. Then they called me back for an "ultracom" which is an ultrasound of my aorta and then a really painful procedure where they practically impale me through the neck with something that looks like a transvaginal ultrasound wand so they can measure my hearts blood output... all of this to determine WHY my blood pressure is high so they can put me on the proper blood pressure medications. Turns out my blood pressure is high because my heart pumps too much blood, not because of anything to do with my arteries. So they put me on a med called Atenolol (don't really care about spelling right now). Then they sent me back out to the waiting room to continue on the paperwork. Meanwhile my 2 1/2 year old DS is in full on meltdown because he doesn't like watching me be manhandled by medical personnel... and DH REFUSED to take him out of the room.

A few minutes later they came back to get me and put me in a room with a 4th year med student who took the MOST detailed medical history I have ever been subjected to... I don't think there is anything about me that these people didn't find out... she was VERY thorough. Then she left.

We sat in there for about 20 minutes, long enough for me to get done with the paperwork, DS to drag every magazine off the shelf, play with the computer, draw on the computer with a crayon.... etc... et al... and then the Perinatologist came in.

BREATHE....

So he walks in with his PA and the 4th year med student and an ultrasound machine... yeah, small room... got really stuffy... Anyway, he proceeds to inform me that the food and blood sugar diary I have kept at their request over the last 3 days indicates that I need to go on Insulin, yeah, we knew that... he starts talking about "how this pregnancy will go..." informing me that we must come to the UW EVERY WEEK for the entire duration of my pregnancy... at this point DH stopped him and said something about him having a bad back and not being able to travel that far that frequently and asked if there was any way we could do any of the prenatal care on our side of the water... the doc interrupted him and told him basically that this pregnancy doesn't involve him, his back is no concern of his, and that because they are putting me on Insulin I HAVE TO come every week.... he said that if we lived on his side of the water we would be in every other day! DH got upset and started arguing with him, at which point the doc asked him to leave, he refused, citing social anxiety disorder, and so then the doc started simply ignoring him and talking over him to me... which just ticked DH off more...

Then he said that at 37 weeks they will schedule a cesarean because "we can't have you going into labor"... at which point *I* stopped him and demanded to know why they changed their tune, reminded him that when I transferred care they said AFTER hearing my medical history that a VBAC was possible... at which point he just said that it was impossible... at which point DH said "We are STILL going to try for it, you are lucky she is even here, she wants to do an unassisted birth at home!" I could have strangled him. The doc got ALL red in the face and started in about how dangerous it is to be pregnant with Diabetes, not to mention I have hypertension and that he WILL NOT deliver me vaginally, and said "I've been doing this since before you were born!".... DH got all up in his face and finally I asked him to leave the room... at which point he refused stating that "it's a free country, I am the father, I WILL be part of my baby's care, and you can't keep me out of it! I have rights!"

So I walked out, the doc followed me and we went to another room... all the while DH is screaming after me that "you didn't want me part of it anyway!" And of course DS is screaming...

So Doc and I get to a little conference room and start to discuss things calmly, rationally, and like adults... I immediately felt better, and could tell he did too. So I started by quoting some medical research that I had tucked away for just such an occasion... things like how the ACOG, CDC, AMA, and WHO all say that repeat cesareans shouldn't be preformed prophylacticly... That the risk of uterine rupture is less than 1%... and all the research I found on the risks of major abdominal surgery... He looked surprised! He started in about the risks of a macrocosmic baby, which I refuted because if I keep tight control of my sugars I shouldn't have a baby that is too big for ME... he agreed... then he said something about Diabetes causing premature aging of the blood vessels, which can lead to hemoraging... which I refuted because they had JUST done the ultracom and commented on how perfect my arteries were... anyway, he kept bringing up risks and I kept refuting them till we were just left with two options.... he either follows the medical evidence and allows me to VBAC or ignores the medical evidence and keeps me from trying for a VBAC...

I WON! Provisionally.

He will "allow" me to have a trial of labor IF the baby doesn't measure bigger than 8lbs. 13oz., I must submit to BIWEEKLY NST's for baby from 30 weeks on, and I must go into labor spontaneously BEFORE 39 weeks. There can be NO meconium, I must allow fetal monitoring during labor, I have to have NO epidural. I got him to agree that if it did come to a cesarean, that I would not consent to one before 40 weeks. Preferably I would go into labor on my own, come to the hospital and have the cesarean... he grudgingly agreed.

So, after that small victory, we shook hands and he left.

Then I stayed in that room and waited for the Nutritionist. I didn't want to face DH just yet, I figured I would give him time to calm down. The nutritionist/dietician basically gave me the entire Diabetes Education class again, it took nearly an hour... It was very good. I learned a lot. I talked to her specifically about how to very strictly control my diet to avoid causing a macrocosmic baby... she had lots of great ideas... mostly, I have to get myself into a routine where I get to bed no later than 10pm, get up by 8am, eat 3 meals, and 2 snacks during the day, get at least 30 minutes of walking in daily, AVOID at all costs corn syrup, and artificial sugars... try to avoid regular sugars such as white sugar, agave nectar, honey, etc... avoid processed anything... eat lots of veggies, check my blood 9 times DAILY... oh man... so much! But it is worth it if it helps me to VBAC....

Then I went back to the room where DH was waiting... he was much improved in his mood, apologized for his behavior and THANKED me for leaving... DS was calm and coloring in a book that the nurse gave him, and munching on crackers, peanut butter, and apple juice. DH proceeded to tell me about the conversation he had with the PA while I was gone. She explained things to him at his understanding level and helped him to calm down. So it was all good. He told me that he just is worried that I will be forced into another machine... I am scared too!

Finally, the PA and med student came back to do the ultrasound... baby is doing good, strong heartbeat, my uterus is tilted to the right, but that's ok. Baby attached in a good spot, nowhere near my scar, so that helps matters with the VBAC issue. I am exactly 7 weeks 5 days along. So my new due date is March 20th. Got a pic, will upload it soon...

Then after that, the Diabetes Nurse came in to show me how to inject myself with Insulin, told me I was to take 25 units in the AM and 15 at bedtime. My sugars should be BELOW 90 before meals and BELOW 140 1 hour after meals. If I don't meet those marks, I have to up my insulin at both times by 2 units till I meet my goals. She also said as an aside, not that it is official, since doc told her specific instructions to give me, that to really have TIGHT control if I want a VBAC that I should shave 10 points off those estimates for my blood sugar goals... she rocks! So she made me inject saline into my thigh and when she was satisfied that I knew what I was doing, she left.

Then we sat there for a bit longer and waited for the discharge instructions, they sent me to the lab to get 7 vials of blood drawn... yeah... SEVEN! Then we waited for my scripts to be filled and left.

Altogether it took 6 HOURS... Then because I was STARVING and so were DH and my Grandma, who graciously offered to drive us over today, and next Tuesday... we stopped at Taco Bell on Ranier Street and ate... DS was asleep before we got out of the parking garage at the UW... Then we drove around home rather than wait for the blasted ferry...

I am EXHAUSTED! Emotionally and physically drained. And we have to repeat the nightmare next Tuesday! It will be better though as I don't have to meet with EVERYONE and their brother and their brother's dog... and DH will be more relaxed...
post #2 of 26
Oh my! What an ordeal! Are you going to the campus? If you want some recommendations - there are so many wonderful places to eat around the area! I could send you a list & your husband could make himself useful

I'm interested to know why you were told to avoid artificial sweeteners but only to "try" to avoid regular sugars! That's really interesting! I have insulin resistance/metabolic syndrome - so clearly I have a different condition than you - but I must completely avoid all sugars (sugar, honey, agave, etc) AND count carbohydrates.

Stevia, xylitol, Splenda etc don't affect my blood glucose at all!

For me practice has made blood glucose readings a breeze. I'm never even close to 140 post meals & my fasting is never above 100.

Many people looking to control their blood sugar find low carb approaches to be the "magic answer." Did you dietician recommend anything to you?

Wishing you a stress free decompression! What a day!
post #3 of 26
OMGosh. What a day!!! I'm glad your baby is OK and that your son and DH calmed down!
post #4 of 26
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Oh my! What an ordeal! Are you going to the campus? If you want some recommendations - there are so many wonderful places to eat around the area! I could send you a list & your husband could make himself useful

I'm interested to know why you were told to avoid artificial sweeteners but only to "try" to avoid regular sugars! That's really interesting! I have insulin resistance/metabolic syndrome - so clearly I have a different condition than you - but I must completely avoid all sugars (sugar, honey, agave, etc) AND count carbohydrates.

Stevia, xylitol, Splenda etc don't affect my blood glucose at all!

For me practice has made blood glucose readings a breeze. I'm never even close to 140 post meals & my fasting is never above 100.

Many people looking to control their blood sugar find low carb approaches to be the "magic answer." Did you dietician recommend anything to you?

Wishing you a stress free decompression! What a day!
artificial sugars can cause brain damage in a developing brain... which includes a fetus and a breastfeeding child....

however, obviously there are some things that require sweeteners to taste good, think baked goods, so avoiding things that require it, or using a natural alternative like fruit juice instead of refined sugars is better... I think stevia is ok, but I don't like the taste it leaves in my mouth...

my dietician recomended limiting carbs to 30 grams at breakfast, 60 grams at lunch, and 45 grams at dinner, always paired with a protien and fat. also I am allowed 2 snacks between meals that should not exceed 15 grams of carb each.
post #5 of 26
Wow, Riverbeauty. That sounds like a rough day.

I'm glad to see that your doc thought that Atenolol was safe(ish) for pregnancy, too. I wasn't totally convinced, but now I feel a little better.
post #6 of 26
and congratulations for surviving that!
post #7 of 26
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artificial sugars can cause brain damage in a developing brain... which includes a fetus and a breastfeeding child.....
Which artifical (sweeteners? or sugars?) did she say caused brain damage?

Fruit juice = sugar & will affect your blood sugar the same way Just because it's "natural" doesn't mean it's better when you're really watching your BGL. Sugar is natural, after all. I'm sure you'll get the hang of everything with practice.
post #8 of 26
Wow mama! What a day! I'm glad you and your doc could come to some agreement and that he listened to you. And to you. It sounds like you have quite a journey ahead!
post #9 of 26
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Which artifical (sweeteners? or sugars?) did she say caused brain damage?

Fruit juice = sugar & will affect your blood sugar the same way Just because it's "natural" doesn't mean it's better when you're really watching your BGL. Sugar is natural, after all. I'm sure you'll get the hang of everything with practice.
I understand that fruit juice is sugar, but it is "better" than refined sugars... so taking an apple and juicing it at home is better than buying a bag of sugar at the store....

the artificial sweeteners she specifically mentioned are: Aspartame, Saccharin, and Sucralose... however she also mentioned that I should avoid "sugar free" candies with sugar alcohols in them as they cause diarrhea.
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Riverbeauty View Post
I understand that fruit juice is sugar, but it is "better" than refined sugars... so taking an apple and juicing it at home is better than buying a bag of sugar at the store....

the artificial sweeteners she specifically mentioned are: Aspartame, Saccharin, and Sucralose... however she also mentioned that I should avoid "sugar free" candies with sugar alcohols in them as they cause diarrhea.
Are these your dietician’s opinions and advice? Or are they yours?

My body processes the juice in an apple the same way it does a bag of sugar. I know this because I’ve tracked my blood glucose levels for years.

I’m also unaware of any conclusive studies on aspartame, saccharin and sucralose (which are 3 completely different molecules & used WIDELY among diabetics, including pregnant and breastfeeding diabetics) that indicate they cause fetal brain damage. You’d think there would be an upheaval if that were true, especially if it were endorsed by a RD at the UW.

Sugar alcohols are different - yes, they cause diarrhea; they can also contain a hefty carb count, especially sugar free candy/bars/etc

Anyway, sorry you had a hard day. If your dietician who is counseling you on diabetes is telling you to use fruit juice instead of Splenda you might want to consider a second opinion.
post #11 of 26
I am gestational diabetic as well, and my body processes fruit sugars more efficiently than white sugar (and has through two pregnancies). *shrug* I was taught that every body will process foods differently, and that it takes a bit of trial and error to find what your body will reject (I can't eat popcorn, which was listed as one of my safe snacks).

I also avoid artificial sweeteners, but have found that agave is a okay substitute. Overall I had to curb my sweet tooth, and make sure to pair any carb/sugar with a protein and fiber, and if I 'cheat' I make sure I go for a long walk. When I was first diagnosed I was given firm numbers to go by - how many proteins vs carbs at each meal - but as I grew more comfortable I found that I was able to eyeball my meals much easier.
post #12 of 26
How weird! GD must be completely different. Agave has glucose/fructose just like sugar has glucose/fructose. The only people I know who are "ok" with agave aren't diabetic.

Artificial sweeteners are a totally personal issue - who the heck knows, you know? I think they're creepy, but I'm not perfect & indulge my sweet tooth occasionally. For a medical professional to claim a variety of legal molecules cause birth defects though... that's pretty huge, you know? I wonder how successful she is with changing lifestyles. Most of us would feel pretty deprived without the occasional ice cream sundae.

Berries - even peaches I can handle, but I could eat myself into a coma with figs. Mmmm. Figs... : It's a horrible vice. I might as well eat a candy bar.

Apples are pretty much out of the question. Not only are they not as mindblowing as figs, they're carb suga city. The juice is even worse.

Regardless I have to count carbs, and fruit = carbs. I have been having SUCH a hard time lately - fruit is everywhere and it smells sooo good. I really need to curb this badness!
post #13 of 26
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How weird! GD must be completely different. Agave has glucose/fructose just like sugar has glucose/fructose. The only people I know who are "ok" with agave aren't diabetic.
I didn't say that I could drink the stuff - just that my body processes it better, and that is where portion control comes in.
post #14 of 26
oh yeah! I always seem to forget about portion control It's not my strong suit! When I want a big fat ice cream sundae I want a big fat ice cream sundae. It's a rare treat, so I've got to have it 'right' or it just wouldn't hit the spot, you know?

A tsp of agave sweetened ice cream sundae just wouldn't be worth it - artificial sweeteners / sugar alcohols aren't the best thing in the world, but neither is sugar (in any form).

Moderation in all things (except steak and bacon )!
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oh yeah! I always seem to forget about portion control It's not my strong suit! When I want a big fat ice cream sundae I want a big fat ice cream sundae. It's a rare treat, so I've got to have it 'right' or it just wouldn't hit the spot, you know?

A tsp of agave sweetened ice cream sundae just wouldn't be worth it - artificial sweeteners / sugar alcohols aren't the best thing in the world, but neither is sugar (in any form).

Moderation in all things (except steak and bacon )!
Ha!

Yeah, since I am only diabetic while pregnant (for now.. we'll see in a few years) I pretty much just give up sugar from 15 weeks on. If I cheat and have ice cream it is hard to get back on the wagon, so I just abstain as much as I can. A good friend of mine is sugar-free in general, and I would like to try and stay on the wagon after birth this time, since being GD raises my risk of developing full blown diabetes later in life. :

Oh, I wrote a blog post about GD, an example of my diet, and some great source links a year or so ago. http://thetrivialpursuitofhappiness....he-pancreas-2/

I should update it that I went 'overdue' with both of my girls, and they were 7lbs and 7lbs4oz. Diet control and exercise works well for me, and I plan to follow the same plan again.
post #16 of 26
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Yeah it was the Dietitian who told me that... I have only been diagnosed Diabetic Type II since December and have found that whole fruit doesn't affect my sugar nearly as drastically as a comparable amount of refined sugar... I asked the Dietitian about that and she said it's because when I use a fruit as a sugar substitute I juice the whole fruit, including the peel so I am getting the fiber... also when I eat sweets (which is so rare) I always pair it with a protein.

I NEVER drink juice by itself or even buy juice at the store for myself... I get juice on my WIC coupons but it all goes to my son and hubby... so I don't even know how plain old juice would affect my sugar...

When I took the Diabetes Education class in February, they were singing the praises of Splenda, my grandma uses it exclusively as her sweetener, I wish I could to, but I just wont take that risk with my baby... I don't know if the Dietitian is spouting her own opinion on the subject or medical evidence, but really it isn't worth the risk to me to try it and be wrong... especially since I so rarely use sweeteners of any kind anyway...


mmmmmm bacon.... mmmmmm
post #17 of 26
^Fiber!

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If I cheat and have ice cream it is hard to get back on the wagon, so I just abstain as much as I can.
Oh yeah - it's like a 1x/year I actually have sugar. I have a pastry chef friend & I just wouldn't be human if I didn't partake in that my whole life.

I make my ice cream (& hot fudge sauce!) though, I've been using xylitol lately because of it's anticariogenic effects (my husband & daughter have dental issues) but I've used Splenda too. We just got a new Newfoundland pup, though, so I've gotta can the xylitol. Shame!

I keep "sweet" limited in general, though. I find if I use (non sugar) sweeteners more than occasionally it becomes every day pretty quickly.

Just like the fruit. Seriously, it's been BAD lately. Yesterday I swore I would cut the fruit & then ran out at 9:00 & got a peach! Bad bad bad!
post #18 of 26
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I make my ice cream (& hot fudge sauce!) though, I've been using xylitol lately because of it's anticariogenic effects (my husband & daughter have dental issues) but I've used Splenda too. We just got a new Newfoundland pup, though, so I've gotta can the xylitol. Shame!
I'm so glad to see somebody else take note of this! I constantly hear the praises of Xylitol, but I rarely hear anybody mention how deadly it is to dogs.
post #19 of 26
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Update

We got up this morning to catch the 10:20AM ferry so we could be at the UW for my noon appt.... and we made it with plenty of time to spare and they got us in a few minutes early. Then they sent that student in to take my blood pressure, collect my sugar chart for the past week, weigh me and hand me a cup... took all of 10 minutes. Then the doc came in and said "Looks like your sugars are doing mighty well! Keep up the good work! See you next week, bye."



My jaw dropped. We just paid to take a ferry over to Seattle so that they could have me pee in a cup and take my blood pressure?!

So I told them that I wasn't going to come back EVERY WEEK! I was told that I could come every two weeks! So he relented.

But I am tired of being baited and switched. First they say, "VBAC? Sure, no problem!" Then they get me in there and say, "We are going to schedule you for a cesarean at 37 weeks, and we will do an amniocentesis to ensure the lungs are fully developed." Then today they pull this every week crap again!

Then the straw that broke the camel's back happened... They wanted to schedule me for a completely unnecessary ultrasound in 4 weeks. Yeah! Not only that but when I asked WHY the heck they want to do that they said that it was to check on baby and make sure nothing is going wrong and that I should expect to have one EVERY MONTH!!!!


Not only no, but HELL NO!


By their own admission, I am doing fantastic! I have lost weight by doing everything they said to do, my sugars and blood pressures are better than most 18-year-olds and they STILL want to treat me like a fragile piece of glass? And if they are doing all this crap NOW, what can I expect them to do when I am actually IN LABOR!? Sure they grudgingly agreed to allow me a trial of labor, under extreme conditions... but what's to keep them from trying a bait and switch again? I dealt with crappy people the last time around and fought through my whole labor and ended up with a c/s.... I AM NOT GOING THERE AGAIN!

So... on the way home we stopped at Tacoma General and transferred my care to the OBAC unit there... I had been calling around since last week's fiasco to see what my options were... and they sounded promising...

p.s. Shawn was the perfect gentleman. I could tell he got fired up when the doc pulled his crap about every week, but he kept his mouth shut.
post #20 of 26
OMG, what a pain in the butt. I'm glad your DH had an easier time of it this week, and I'm glad you stood up for yourself. That really is ridiculous, and I hope you find better care on your side of the water.
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