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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hey,

I've been posting a new article about breastfeeding every day this week on my FB page - and think it would probably be wise to post this article; I didn't save it but have seen it posted here several times.

The author basically discusses the whole "mommy guilt" and breastfeeding issue, and how mothers who for whatever reason weren't able to breastfeed, or not as long as they wished -- have no reason to feel guilty when it was based on the lack of support for breastfeeding around them (It's been awhile since I've read it, so my summary may have skewed or oversimplified it a bit).

Anyone? TIA!
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post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks!
That was really interesting. I'll add it to my bookmarks.

I've found a couple others which were interesting too - but not the particular one I was thinking of.

Here are the others I found:

http://babyparenting.about.com/od/br...singnorm_2.htm

and I unearthed "Watch Your Language" which I know we've all read:
http://www.bobrow.net/kimberly/birth/BFLanguage.html

.... The article which was posted here that I'm thinking of, was reminiscent of "Watch Your Language," except it focused less on the language itself and more on the guilt issue itself (more on the "we do the best we can with what we have at the time, we should feel angry if we were misled or hurt).

ETA: Basically I want this article because I worry that the pro-BF things I've posted may have stimulated a 'guilt' response among those friends who've ff'd, whether they intended to from the beginning or not - this article would be a way to help them refocus that and feel less guilty, more empowered.

(Edited because I realized I'd accidentally linked to the same article twice - the 'Watch Your Language' link is now fixed ).
post #4 of 15
I remember going to a conference and hearing Diane Weissinger talk about guilt and giving an analogy of a car crash and walking/not walking - but I haven't come across it ont he web. Maybe that's what you're remembering?
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Edited by GoestoShow - 12/7/10 at 6:37am
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by PatioGardener View Post
I remember going to a conference and hearing Diane Weissinger talk about guilt and giving an analogy of a car crash and walking/not walking - but I haven't come across it ont he web. Maybe that's what you're remembering?
I realise now that this is the Watch Your Language papare. I just read it again - it's pretty powerful.
post #7 of 15
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I think I've told you this before, but I had some terrific struggles (in a bad way) with my first child. With my second child, things were completely different. I was petrified that we'd struggle again like we did with dd1 (weight issues etc., dd1 was hospitalized for essentially FTT related to her reflux, allergies, and my supply issues too).

Mom breastfed all seven of us; she told me, each kid is different. And she was right - SJ had allergies too, but no reflux. She latched like a pro from the beginning (never even lost any of her birth weight, wow!). I won't pretend that it was easy - but what made it difficult was thinking of all the struggles I'd had with dd1 at the same age. Everything else really was that easy.

Please consider trying again. I know I would have felt very angry and raw and betrayed if I hadn't been able to breastfeed dd1 (and I know, being online and reading others' stories, that I came SOOOO close to that; just sheer luck I had people with the right knowledge and support available at the time) -- and I know I'm a stubborn enough person that I might have decided not to try with dd2, if we hadn't been able to breastfeed dd1 in the end. And I would have so, so missed out!

I know you read up about breastfeeding, and had help, and did all you could. What I'm saying is, each time is different - and it's entirely possible that things would be very different for you, second time 'round. I don't want to be pushy (and apologize if this seems that way); I just know that I would have wanted someone to encourage me to try again, if I was in your shoes (and I nearly was in your shoes). Have your 'back up' plan, line up your support system, discuss it with the doctors/LC (maybe more than one) - and see what happens.
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Edited by GoestoShow - 12/7/10 at 6:40am
post #9 of 15
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Well, here are my thoughts....

First, if you had an opportunity to host a college student from another country while your second child was an infant/toddler, and knew that during those four years, your second child would essentially have the opportunity to become bilingual (but your first child, being say, 5, and in school, would not be at that same 'spongelike' point linguistically) -- would you be doing a disservice to your first child, by providing that opportunity to your second?

You tried to breastfeed your first child. It's not like you sat down and decided that your first child somehow didn't deserve that effort (and you put a lot of effort into it!). If you're able to breastfeed a second child, to whatever goal you set - then your first child will SEE you breastfeeding a sibling, and have that knowledge in place as a parent later in life. I have a good friend with six children. She didn't breastfeed her first because she didn't know anyone who did (early 90's here). She breastfed her last three children - 10 months, 18 months, and 13 months. She told me she does feel guilty that she didn't know more and didn't 'try harder' to breastfeed (she had a bad LC experience with #3 and stopped immediately) ... but she's glad she could breastfeed the other three, and the older three have seen it and it's been normalized for them. And she knows that she did the best she could with the information and support she had at the time.

In terms of how awful breastfeeding was with your first child - I don't recall the exact situation, and I don't think you want me to try to troubleshoot for you anyway. But each mother/child dyad is different ... maybe it's because the mother is starting out with more information or support, or is more relaxed; maybe that baby just has a better initial latch (those first latches can be so crucial!). I'm trying to think of an analogy ... perhaps someone who was in a really bad, unhealthy romantic relationship?? Because that guy was a stalker doesn't mean that every subsequent guy will be a stalker, too -- it's a good idea to figure out how it happened, but it doesn't mean that the perfectly nice guy your friend sets you up with, won't be Prince Charming, KWIM? And it doesn't mean that you're not capable of having a healthy, happy relationship. I'm not saying your first child was a stalker- but that obviously your breastfeeding relationship was not good.

If it's the same problems all over again when breastfeeding a second child - then you've already BTDT. You recognize what's happening, and you make the decision about what is best for you and your baby at that time. This means that if, say, what you're dealing with is a congenital low supply issue (say, PCOS related) -- then you can decide whether you want to nurse and supplement, or whether it would be better for your situation to move to formula, or donated breastmilk, or whatever. With SJ, we'd already talked through what we'd do if she ended up having reflux, allergies, and me with a supply issue again ... we were ready to supplement with Neocate if we had to. And I went on my Elimination Diet before she was even born just to be preventive.

When dd1 was hospitalized for FTT, and I was told to exclusively pump while she was given Neocate -- we discovered that my supply had diminished to less than 10 oz/day. If it had ever been 'that' high, since part of our problem was a small bit of retained placenta which wasn't discovered until more than 2 months postpartum. I was really lucky to have an LC who caught that, and an OB who humored me by checking (he didn't think it was possible). It wasn't affecting my health at all ... 'just' my supply. It was really a perfect storm of issues .... Ina couldn't gain weight because she couldn't absorb proteins due to her multiple allergies and reflux .... she started limiting feeds to manage her reflux pain .... I don't like to think about those days. The thing is, my LC told me "breastfed babies can't have allergies to things their mothers eat." If I'd been relying just on her, I'd have never eliminated foods, and Ina would have been fully FTT and onto Neocate; I'd have spent the rest of my life thinking she'd been allergic to my milk. Our Ped is the one who talked me through elimination dieting - but she didn't think retained placenta would do anything to my supply. If I'd been relying on either one of them alone (or if they'd been as ill-informed as some HCPs I read about) I would undoubtedly have been told that our latch issues and our weight gain issues etc. all meant in the end that obviously breastfeeding wasn't for us.

Anyway, I think that is more of my story than you wanted to hear. Suffice it to say, when dd1 was hospitalized, I would have fed her bear lard (and killed the bear myself to get it for her), if that's what we were told she needed. I was literally afraid she was going to die.

With SJ, as I saw 'normal' breastfed baby poops, an a non-refluxy baby not fighting allergies ... a completely different nursing relationship ... I did a lot of mourning for what Ina and I had missed. Grief over things I'd thought were 'normal baby stuff' with Ina in the early days, and had really been signs of how she was suffering. It wasn't always easy and dh and I both had some good cries over it. But in the end it was a healing thing for me. I still regret that I didn't know enough about Elimination Dieting when we had our troubles with Ina; I still second-guess that maybe if I'd known about Total Elimination Diets, Ina's reflux and allergies might not have cascaded to the point where she couldn't digest any proteins at all for awhile and necessitated hospitalization; if I hadn't been so scared and sleep-deprived, I would have been pumping and supplementing differently. I even feel guilty about the decision we made to put her on 100% Neocate and not give her any of the milk I was pumping during the months I was rebuilding my supply (I was scared her latch issue would turn into a complete bottle preference if she figured out she could get the Good Stuff from a bottle instead of me). That's about 4 months of her life that most of her nutrition (except what she got at breast) was formula-based. I don't know if I did the right thing there in the end ....

The thing is, in the end, we can't give each of our children exactly the same things and experiences and opportunities. We're different people and different parents with each child, based on all the experiences our other child(ren) give us, the opportunities (or lack thereof) we have in our lives/careers, etc. The love is a constant - but everything else necessarily will differ, in good ways and bad. Isn't there an old saying, children are like pancakes, the first one is just for practice? Ina taught us all sorts of things that we were able to do better with SJ from the beginning (we were adamantly opposed to cosleeping, for instance, and Ina worked on that with great determination for MONTHS until we gave in ) ....

HTH! While we were able to return to breastfeeding with Ina, we were scarred enough from all we went through in her first 1 1/2 years of life that we really weren't ready to think about another child until she was past two years of age. If you had asked me, at 18 months, I probably would have said that we might adopt instead, we were both that scarred by what we'd gone through.
post #10 of 15
I just want to say that I have nothing but respect, awe and admiration for mothers who put so much time and effort into breastfeeding (like elanorh and Goestoshow)--whether or not they're ultimately able to breastfeed. I only struggled a TINY little bit with my dd (my supply was a little low, but came up just fine with oatmeal and lactation tea), and it was so stressful even still. I can't imagine what guts and determination it must have taken for you to have struggled for as long as you did! I hope you can come to peace with what happened and maybe breastfeed future babies Goestoshow, but even if not, I must say that I respect the heck out of you and I'm really sorry that you were surrounded my unsupportive
post #11 of 15
Thank you for this thread. My dd2 was in the nicu for the first 12 weeks of her life and I battled low supply the whole time (she wasnt allowed to eat by mouth and we couldnt hold her for a couple weeks). When my frozen stash and my donated stash depleted, I let them give her formula (when she didnt have BM). After MANY guilty days and pumping every 2 hrs around the clock, I realized that being supplemented with formula wasnt the worst thing to happen to her!

This past week Ive seen SO many articles about formula being horrible and the guilt came right back. I have been pumping for 15 weeks with a baby in the nicu, I cant take herbs because of her heart and kidney problems. I have massaged and hydrated and searched for advise, Ive pumped by her bed, in front of strangers and during rounds. I went onto milkshare and found donor milk and have driven in the heat, leaving babe in the nicu so I could get her a few ounces of BM. I will NOT be ashamed of formula feeding after I have given her the best possible start!

Her oral aversion is pretty bad so she absolutely wont bf or bottlefeed. (She is tube fed)

Thank you again for bringing this up.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0 View Post
I felt the same way with DD#2, I wasn't able to BF DD#1 due to issues I had no control over. Instead of support or help I got condicending messages about how "lazy" "uneducated" "Unloving" and "selfish" I was. Mostly from LLL : Second pregnancy I swore I wouldn't go through that hell again. A friend of mine talked me into trying again, her kindness, and her ability to see the real issues was part of the strength that got me through. Now 15 months Later I advocate for BF. I think its importent. But I also advocate for fair treatment off ALL mothers. I also tell people to avoid LLL, most people I know agree with me. I don't mean all are like that either, I realise some chapters of LLL are very kind. The one here though was a bunch of radical bullies who made mothers like myself feel like lower then dirt. I had issues the second time too, but not the same as my first, I went to other sorces for help and actually avoided LLL. I stuck with doctors and LC's and nurses. I also went to friends who BF and knew my story. DD#2 is now 15 months and we're still BF and its been worth while. I do hope you'll concider it with future children.
I cannot imagine my LLL leader ever saying those things! You may want to consider contacting LLL Int'l and telling them of your experience and that others have gotten similar comments. Hopefully they could help your LLL get more education and suggestions on how to handle these situations.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by KnitLady View Post
I cannot imagine my LLL leader ever saying those things! You may want to consider contacting LLL Int'l and telling them of your experience and that others have gotten similar comments. Hopefully they could help your LLL get more education and suggestions on how to handle these situations.
There is no longer a LLL in our city and people are thrilled about that. I lost all faith in LLL and probably will never get that back. The pain they caused me is still there today.

We have a new group called The Breastfeeding Peer support group. I am a member of it. It does a lot of the same stuff as LLL but doesn't have the negative backgroup that LLL does. We're expected to support the mother no matter what,even if they end up FF we're expeced to support them and guide them to the right information so it can be done correctly. We do one on one support, phone support and its been a very successful enterprise, We're at 3 years running now. I think if this group had been here with DD#1 I would have found the help I actually needed not the judgments.
post #14 of 15
Elanorh--I had a very similar experince with retained placenta fragments. No one figured it out until after though. I finally passed it when dd was 10 weeks old, I finally had enough milk within three days, and my bleeding finally stopped a week later. I haven't seen many others with a similar experience. I guess it's nice (if it can be anything) to know I'm not the only one.
post #15 of 15
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Elanorh--I had a very similar experince with retained placenta fragments. No one figured it out until after though. I finally passed it when dd was 10 weeks old, I finally had enough milk within three days, and my bleeding finally stopped a week later. I haven't seen many others with a similar experience. I guess it's nice (if it can be anything) to know I'm not the only one.
I had either a very small piece of retained placenta or a persistent small hemorrhage - I bled for 12 weeks pp, and had major supply issues. It's a fairly well-known problem, but difficult to diagnose since the retained placental tissue can be so, so small, and need not be passed - I think mine was reabsorbed.

Elanorh - that was really well-written. Thank you.
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